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I think that we need to be realistic. Our defence is nowhere near good enough. Even against what we perceive to be lesser teams we concede soft tries.

Other aspects of our play are very predictable. We always play the same kick off and restart. Our attacking play again looks predictable with the long wide ball nearly being intercepted every game.

We will certainly have to front up at NWC or it could be a very bad result for us and coupled with other results we could drop to mid table.

Another season in this division is unthinkable.

Surely the coach has questions to answer regarding performances

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How involved is Matt Calland?  Given his position next season and particularly with his vast experience at this level with Halifax, I would have him in charge for the run-in.  We need to wise up to what's at stake and get street-wise especially in defence. We are still third - do not blow this opportunity.

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the u20s are hardly pullin up any trees are they

Player availability probably drives that, I believe the first team panel at the weekend is a large one with many players not getting a game that could have played for the 20's

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more like players goin elsewhere because of the way the reserves are run ,the games I have been to matt calland has been on his own in one game he had to ask a member of the crowd to run on with the kicking tee and the water ( Oldham away early in the season ) no kitman, no phsyio, no 1st team coach watching ,no chance of a player being called up to the 1st team so they leave that's why theres a lot of different names every week .players make themselves unavailable

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more like players goin elsewhere because of the way the reserves are run ,the games I have been to matt calland has been on his own in one game he had to ask a member of the crowd to run on with the kicking tee and the water ( Oldham away early in the season ) no kitman, no phsyio, no 1st team coach watching ,no chance of a player being called up to the 1st team so they leave that's why theres a lot of different names every week .players make themselves unavailable

 

Fair enough. Looks like the odds are stacked against Matt there. He maybe able to drag the odd body in from Mayfield to help out

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more like players goin elsewhere because of the way the reserves are run ,the games I have been to matt calland has been on his own in one game he had to ask a member of the crowd to run on with the kicking tee and the water ( Oldham away early in the season ) no kitman, no phsyio, no 1st team coach watching ,no chance of a player being called up to the 1st team so they leave that's why theres a lot of different names every week .players make themselves unavailable

I was at that game to, the person coming on with the kicking tee and water was Ryan Bradley CEO,there was a physio there to.Although the first team coach was not at that match he has been at a lot of the others.Matt is head of youth development and assistant first team coach so I wouldn't have thought that the head coach had to be at every match.If a player really stood out I would expect him to get a chance if the coaches were sure he was ready.If players leave because they are not assured of a place in the team then they are not yet ready for this level and need to go back to their community clubs.

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the lad carrying the water might have been the ceo ,however he paid his way in in front of me just as the players were taking the field we were stood on the corner and mr caland saw him and came over and asked him would he help him out . the physio arrived late because he had gone to spotland when the game was being played at whitebank . All im saying is the reserves do not look like a team representing a semi professional rugby league team they look anything but that and that isprobably out of matt callands hands

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the lad carrying the water might have been the ceo ,however he paid his way in in front of me just as the players were taking the field we were stood on the corner and mr caland saw him and came over and asked him would he help him out . the physio arrived late because he had gone to spotland when the game was being played at whitebank . All im saying is the reserves do not look like a team representing a semi professional rugby league team they look anything but that and that isprobably out of matt callands hands

 

Well lets hope that Matt gets the chance to address these issues with the board

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the lad carrying the water might have been the ceo ,however he paid his way in in front of me just as the players were taking the field we were stood on the corner and mr caland saw him and came over and asked him would he help him out . the physio arrived late because he had gone to spotland when the game was being played at whitebank . All im saying is the reserves do not look like a team representing a semi professional rugby league team they look anything but that and that isprobably out of matt callands hands

Is it not a good thing that the CEO who brought equipment over in his car paid to get in,Ryan has also took the lead at U20s matches when Matt was not available.If the physio went to Spotland maybe he was also picking up equipment,but was there for the match.Yes not every things perfect but at the moment Hornets do have an U20s and bringing players into the club hopefully some will make it to first team level.

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You are wasting your time BH, these two are not the sort of 'fan' who will ever be happy whilst the club is a C0-Op, I think we all have our own ideas who they are but the forum rules forbid actually saying so.

As I pointed out before, these two are quick off the mark every time there is some bad news etc, but are significant only by their absence when things are looking good! It wasn't too long ago the Pooing Dog, Mark Wynn and I were jointly blamed for the bad result at Neath and seemingly for the unfortunate puncture that Lakeside got on his/her way home.

These two have serious issues with Mark Wynn along with several other people at the club and won't be really happy until we go back to the old ways which depended upon a few people holding all the shares and making all the decisions. This method of running the club didn't work, that is so obvious a blind man galloping past on a donkey could see it.

The important point about how the club is now run is that everyone can have a say. Membership is not expensive although there are different packages but everyone should be able to afford £20 to have a vote. If anything happens that you don't like, the Dual Registration thing for instance, then get yourself and your supporters and make your views known at a meeting. Directors can be voted in and out if they don't do a good job. If any group want to take the club in a different direction then get enough people behind you and make the proposal at the next meeting. Get yourself put forward as a candidate for the board and argue from within instead of shouting from the periphery all the time.

It's that simple!

Pugwash.

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I havnt got a clue what your on about pugwash.

 

however I have noticed on this forum that there is a thread regarding the match official for sunday and no doubt if the result isn't the right one well it must be his fault

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How typically patronising of Pugwash to say " that everyone should be able to afford £20 to vote "

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I havnt got a clue what your on about pugwash.

however I have noticed on this forum that there is a thread regarding the match official for sunday and no doubt if the result isn't the right one well it must be his fault

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You know what I'm on about OK!

I never blame the referee, I usually defend them if you want to know the truth, somehow I doubt you do though!

s for Hornetsexile accusing me of being patronizing, £20 is less than 6p/day, if you care enough about your club to want to change things then I think it's in everybody's power to fid the money!

Pugwash.

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You are wasting your time BH, these two are not the sort of 'fan' who will ever be happy whilst the club is a C0-Op, I think we all have our own ideas who they are but the forum rules forbid actually saying so.

As I pointed out before, these two are quick off the mark every time there is some bad news etc, but are significant only by their absence when things are looking good! It wasn't too long ago the Pooing Dog, Mark Wynn and I were jointly blamed for the bad result at Neath and seemingly for the unfortunate puncture that Lakeside got on his/her way home.

These two have serious issues with Mark Wynn along with several other people at the club and won't be really happy until we go back to the old ways which depended upon a few people holding all the shares and making all the decisions. This method of running the club didn't work, that is so obvious a blind man galloping past on a donkey could see it.

The important point about how the club is now run is that everyone can have a say. Membership is not expensive although there are different packages but everyone should be able to afford £20 to have a vote. If anything happens that you don't like, the Dual Registration thing for instance, then get yourself and your supporters and make your views known at a meeting. Directors can be voted in and out if they don't do a good job. If any group want to take the club in a different direction then get enough people behind you and make the proposal at the next meeting. Get yourself put forward as a candidate for the board and argue from within instead of shouting from the periphery all the time.

It's that simple!

Pugwash.

That makes three of us with issues with Mark Wynn

It's funny how every time someone criticises the current regime you draw a comparison to the old club and try to discredit the individuals who ran it of which two were family members of mine who backed it with thier own hard earned cash - grow up and stand on your own two feet without having to harp back face the facts on this current lot

For what it's worth the old club worked far better for long enough and brought many more good times and enjoyment to many more people than this set up ever will

This set up is geared towards certain individuals servicing thier own egos and making key decisions without ever having to back it up financially

Now bore off

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How typically patronising of Pugwash to say " that everyone should be able to afford £20 to vote "

I think he's on commission to sell memberships. The posts about having your say for £20 gets a regular airing monthly for the last few years.

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We have already established that members do not determine strategic direction of the club. The dual registration arrangement was introduced without discussion among membership (as was the original adoption of the Hornets RL name). Only after its introduction was it discussed at members meeting so the open discussion is limited to after the policy was introduced. In other words the rights of members in practice seem to be limited to overturning decisions already taken and implemented by the board independent of any discussion by members.

The continued implication that there are two classes of supporters members and others does nothing to improve attendance - everyone should be encouraged to attend games - whether they agree or disagree with the way the club is run. Id rather see 1000 folks at the game of which 800 cant stand the folks who run the place and are vocal about it than 650 who all love the leadership.

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OK, I'll give this one more go!

Look at this Co-Op era of Hornets as something which is evolving. The name thingy was something that was necessary, it had to be decided before there was a club, we had to have a name to play under and there was no membership to ask and had there been there wasn't enough time to go through the procedure anyway. Co-Op rules give certain time limits etc that must be abided by.

The dual Registration is something I know little about as due to ill health I've been unable to attend meetings for quite a while but I have an idea that the time constraints may have been a deciding factor in that as well, possibly.

There isn't a class system of supporter, never has been, everyone who comes to the game can sit where they like, they pay the same at the gate and for season tickets, programmes, Golden Gambles, everything. All are allowed to become members with certain age restrictions which are Co-Op rules not Hornets'. Membership starts at £20/season going up through the levels but the main factor is whatever level of membership you chose you only get ONE vote. That's DEMOCRACY!

As the club evolves from it's present fledgling status the members will become more and more in control of the course the club takes but there will always be certain decisions that the board may have to make AND justify to the members or risk being voted out of their post as director.

What is certain is that the players get their pay every month and all the bills are being paid, including the stadium rent on time. Surely, this is a good thing?

Snoopy always tries to say that I denigrate the past people who ran the club but this is just mischief making, I merely pointed out that the previous era was failing. It's obvious it was failing despite the work done by previous chairmen like Taylor, Reynolds and Vining. When these people were in charge I was a member of the Nest Egg and put money in monthly, took part in fund-raisers etc to try and make as much as we could for the club but it wasn't enough even though the Nest Egg put in excess of £30K. The model was not working and that is a fact!

I dare say the next few years will be the deciding factor as to how the club fares in the future, we need to grow a little or hopefully a lot every year and just make sure to follow this Co-Op model.

Some people will never embrace this club as it is, that's sad, really sad because we need everybody but we can't be held to ransom to get their support.

Pugwash.

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We have already established that members do not determine strategic direction of the club. The dual registration arrangement was introduced without discussion among membership (as was the original adoption of the Hornets RL name). Only after its introduction was it discussed at members meeting so the open discussion is limited to after the policy was introduced. In other words the rights of members in practice seem to be limited to overturning decisions already taken and implemented by the board independent of any discussion by members.

The continued implication that there are two classes of supporters members and others does nothing to improve attendance - everyone should be encouraged to attend games - whether they agree or disagree with the way the club is run. Id rather see 1000 folks at the game of which 800 cant stand the folks who run the place and are vocal about it than 650 who all love the leadership.

Anita for pity's sake. If you don't want to be a member of the co-op then don't be, just turn up as one of the "800 that can't stand the folk who run the place" and have a a good moan about it. This is something you can do, you're not barred from doing so. And why shouldn't you? Most other fans of other clubs do this any way from Oldham to Batley to Keighly and beyond, it's normal.

That's what happened pre co-op days with Hornets, it's normal, fans moaned about the club, the board, pies, the kit and all manner of other subjects. But no matter how much they moaned and complained they could do virtually nothing about any it.

If you or anyone feels so strongly about the board as a whole or any individual board member then get rid of them. They are not invulnerable like board members of other clubs. Just do it ehh

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Anita for pity's sake. If you don't want to be a member of the co-op then don't be, just turn up as one of the "800 that can't stand the folk who run the place" and have a a good moan about it. This is something you can do, you're not barred from doing so. And why shouldn't you? Most other fans of other clubs do this any way from Oldham to Batley to Keighly and beyond, it's normal.

That's what happened pre co-op days with Hornets, it's normal, fans moaned about the club, the board, pies, the kit and all manner of other subjects. But no matter how much they moaned and complained they could do virtually nothing about any it.

If you or anyone feels so strongly about the board as a whole or any individual board member then get rid of them. They are not invulnerable like board members of other clubs. Just do it ehh

Very good post IMO

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I think he's on commission to sell memberships. The posts about having your say for £20 gets a regular airing monthly for the last few years.

Commission Phil? No just trying to get as many people as possible to join in with the fight for survival.

Since the Co-Op took over if truth be known I could have taken hundreds of pounds of commission from sales of programmes and Golden Gambles, but I along with all the other people who have helped me have taken not one red cent!

So please Phil don't judge others by your standards eh?

Pugwash.

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Commission Phil? No just trying to get as many people as possible to join in with the fight for survival.

Since the Co-Op took over if truth be known I could have taken hundreds of pounds of commission from sales of programmes and Golden Gambles, but I along with all the other people who have helped me have taken not one red cent!

So please Phil don't judge others by your standards eh?

Pugwash.

Nah Puggy just the merely pointing out the monthly push on the us and them memberships.

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