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Great article in this months RL World and it's refreshing to see/hear common sense with regards to the direction the RFL is taking the sport in. 

 

As you've said the club game can only take RL forward so much and trying to split the SL pie further and reintroducing P & R is just self destruction. We need to develop the international game and bring in sponsorship through the trickle down effect as is the case with Union and Cricket. 

Cricket gets terrible county attendances but sponsorship is vibrant due to a vibrant international scene.

 

In any case great journalism Martyn and agree with all you've had to say regarding the RFL proposals.

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Great article in this months RL World and it's refreshing to see/hear common sense with regards to the direction the RFL is taking the sport in. 

 

As you've said the club game can only take RL forward so much and trying to split the SL pie further and reintroducing P & R is just self destruction. We need to develop the international game and bring in sponsorship through the trickle down effect as is the case with Union and Cricket. 

Cricket gets terrible county attendances but sponsorship is vibrant due to a vibrant international scene.

 

In any case great journalism Martyn and agree with all you've had to say regarding the RFL proposals.

So why have the SL clubs instigated these possible changes if its so easy to attract the necessary level of sponsorship under the present system? Doesn't make sense

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So So why have the SL clubs instigated these possible changes if its so easy to attract the necessary level of sponsorship under the present system? Doesn't make sense

 

Huh?

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Great article in this months RL World and it's refreshing to see/hear common sense with regards to the direction the RFL is taking the sport in.

As you've said the club game can only take RL forward so much and trying to split the SL pie further and reintroducing P & R is just self destruction. We need to develop the international game and bring in sponsorship through the trickle down effect as is the case with Union and Cricket.

Cricket gets terrible county attendances but sponsorship is vibrant due to a vibrant international scene.

In any case great journalism Martyn and agree with all you've had to say regarding the RFL proposals.

He is a Wakefield fan if I am not mistaken. So as per Mysterious has asked and stated on other posts, he may be looking after his own clubs self interests with his articles and posts as they may be one of the clubs affected.

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Huh?

How can we emulate Cricket's sponsorship performance when we don't have the vibrant international scene that cricket, RU and football have. The RFL are striving to introduce more vibrancy into the sport with the changes they are likely to introduce. If they're successful then maybe sponsors will be more likely to support an exciting and intense competition rather than the sterile one which licensing has produced. Hope that makes things a little clearer for you

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How can we emulate Cricket's sponsorship performance when we don't have the vibrant international scene that it has. The RFL are striving to introduce vibrancy into the sport with the changes they are likely to introduce. If they're successful then maybe sponsors will be more likely to support an exciting and intense competition rather than the sterile one which licensing has produced.

I see your point, but we've got to build it brick by brick and close the gap between teams.

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International Rugby League beside being the pinnacle of the game, must be the main priority over the coming years, the NRL have thrown ESL a lifeline with all our home grown players they are signing, lets not miss this chance.

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He is a Wakefield fan if I am not mistaken. So as per Mysterious has asked and stated on other posts, he may be looking after his own clubs self interests with his articles and posts as they may be one of the clubs affected.

Sorry but when Martyn writes it certainly isn't with red white and blue glasses on. He has been consistently neutral and/or harsh over decades regarding Trinity, and is not generally liked by our fans as a result.

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So So why have the SL clubs instigated these possible changes if its so easy to attract the necessary level of sponsorship under the present system? Doesn't make sense

they haven't

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He is a Wakefield fan if I am not mistaken. So as per Mysterious has asked and stated on other posts, he may be looking after his own clubs self interests with his articles and posts as they may be one of the clubs affected.

I argue like cat and dog with Sadler about all sorts

but the idea that he pushes his own club's agenda in his publishing is the lowest of the low.

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We know it's right.  We get more coverage, TV, Radio, print during the 4 nations than we do for most of the season.  When we get in a final, we have actually led the sports news.  Internationals matter to the press. 

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Cricket has P and R

what are attendances like?

 

must be in the high dozens

 

the other forms of cricket that are played subsidise it.

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So So why have the SL clubs instigated these possible changes if its so easy to attract the necessary level of sponsorship under the present system? Doesn't make sense

Some people can't see beyond the end of there noses.

SL,licencing has failed.

London,Salford,wakefield hkr,cas bradford,all failed or failing and will continue to do so.

Why should sky/rfl or sponsors of the sport has a whole continue to prop these clubs up.

Its well over due that these clubs were made to stand on ther own two feet instead of continually leaching a living of others

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We know it's right.  We get more coverage, TV, Radio, print during the 4 nations than we do for most of the season.  When we get in a final, we have actually led the sports news.  Internationals matter to the press. 

 

You're absolutely spot on, but unfortunately the club game always comes first. It's why the whole direction of the sport is constantly being altered - to suit the clubs. It's why we'll never see a mid season test series like Mr Sadler suggests in RLW - purely down to self interest from the clubs. The only way a gap in the season would be created is if it was for an extended WCC, which benefits the clubs, and even that looks like it'll be knocked back due to the clubs down under not being interested - again, more self interest. And as we don't have a proper world governing body, it won't change anytime soon. Instead we have basically 2 bodies running the sport, both acting primarily in the interests of the clubs.

 

Of course, you could argue that one of our problems is that internationals don't appear to matter to a lot of the fans. The biggest crowd we get most years is for a club match.

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This is actually a good piece by Martyn. Most of what he writes is tosh as far as I'm concerned. Moans and no solutions. This seems to be a very sensible solution.

 

I think if the Aussies went for it, I don't think it would be hard to persuade our clubs to support it. If what he says is true about NRL interest dropping during Origin, then it would seem to be in the interests of the Aussies too.

 

Not sure, how you'd deal with the international squads. Would they be together for the whole 3 weeks and then return to their club sides after the third mid week international, or would they be available for their club sides each weekend?

 

If the former, then that is at least 250 players taken out of the club scene for a whole 3 week period. If the latter, then you'd only be losing the players for the "touring" country (ie alternately England or NZ).

 

Decent idea though, worth pursuing, but unless the Aussies were interested in bringing Origin back to back, then there's not much the rest of us can do about it.

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Good to see some sensible opinions coming to the fore. The 'Bring back P&R' brigade have had too much air recently. Any sensible person knows bringing back P&R would be the death of the game over here.

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what are attendances like?

must be in the high dozens

the other forms of cricket that are played subsidise it.

High dozens! I think you have the union calculator out

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Good to see some sensible opinions coming to the fore. The 'Bring back P&R' brigade have had too much air recently. Any sensible person knows bringing back P&R would be the death of the game over here.

One of the arguments they use is....."P & R is a part of british sporting tradition", ......So is losing.

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Surely the issue with the international game, is that all the money is in the club game.

 

The NRL holds most of the cash, so internationals are a hindrance to this cash flow.

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I argue like cat and dog with Sadler about all sorts

but the idea that he pushes his own club's agenda in his publishing is the lowest of the low.

It is no different from you asking other fans of clubs the same question. does that mean you the lowest of the low for asking others about it previously? I certainly don't think so. I think it's a relevant question to ask.

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Cricket has P and R

Just to be clear, cricket cannot have P&R, it is a sport not a competition. In professional domestic cricket in England and Wales only the County Championship (First Class) has P&R.

The much more popular YB40 (List A) and FLt20 (Twenty20) competitions do not have P&R instead uses separate conference-style structures. Nor does the Minor Counties Championship (3-Day), from which a few teams have been awarded first class status, which instead has regional divisions.

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I argue like cat and dog with Sadler about all sorts

but the idea that he pushes his own club's agenda in his publishing is the lowest of the low.

its ott to say its the lowest of tge low. Similar accusations are thrown at posters here all the time, Martyn is no different to the rest of us.

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Just to be clear, cricket cannot have P&R, it is a sport not a competition. In professional domestic cricket in England and Wales only the County Championship (First Class) has P&R.

The much more popular YB40 (List A) and FLt20 (Twenty20) competitions do not have P&R instead uses separate conference-style structures. Nor does the Minor Counties Championship (3-Day), from which a few teams have been awarded first class status, which instead has regional divisions.

Just out of interest who plays in the minor counties?

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Just out of interest who plays in the minor counties?

Schoolboys, students, teachers, cricket coaches, club pros, anyone with enough free time to play, 2nd XI players from the major counties. Minor counties cricket is a bit of an oddity as it doesn't really perform an elite performance role.

None of the England cricket team would have come from the Minor Counties system for example. What tends to happen is that the major counties suck up all the talent from the surrounding minor counties. Players from Cheshire will go to Lancs, Lincs to Notts or Yorks etc. It is an historical throwback and not much use to anyone apart from the pride of those that are involved.

The elite youth development system in English cricket is now very focused on the clubs and supplemented by the big cricket playing private schools. From the clubs and the schools the young players are then funnelled into county age group sides and they go on from there. Joe Root is a good example. Made a name for himself at Sheffield Collegiate, got in the Yorkshire age group sides, got a scholarship to Workshop College and went on from there. He has basically been a semi pro cricketer since the age of 16. Some schools even recruit cricketers as young as 13!

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