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It is no different from you asking other fans of clubs the same question. does that mean you the lowest of the low for asking others about it previously? I certainly don't think so. I think it's a relevant question to ask.

it's a lot different

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its ott to say its the lowest of tge low. Similar accusations are thrown at posters here all the time, Martyn is no different to the rest of us.

it's gthe lowest of the low because we are saying what we say as private individuals

Sadler is no different to anyone except in his position of trust in the media which AN Other is suggesting that he abuses.

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High dozens! I think you have the union calculator out

aye

 

the half dozens

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Good to see some sensible opinions coming to the fore. The 'Bring back P&R' brigade have had too much air recently. Any sensible person knows bringing back P&R would be the death of the game over here.

Lets be realistic P and R wouldn't make RL die, it may not progress but it wouldn't cause the death of the game over here.

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We know it's right.  We get more coverage, TV, Radio, print during the 4 nations than we do for most of the season.  When we get in a final, we have actually led the sports news.  Internationals matter to the press.

That's true but it has no bearing on p and r and league formats

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That's true but it has no bearing on p and r and league formats

 

I think it was a reference to the OP which referred to an article in RLW by Martyn Sadler about changes to the international game.

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International cricket only has eight real international countries, with a little bit of focus RL could have this too: two French SL teams, maybe a Celtic league down the road for wales/ire/scot, Samoa have a great supply of players, big potential in Tonga, PNG also has huge potential in addition to Eng, NZ and Aus. Bring back Lions tours, it's tours like that that get the column inches, no accident that the profile of RL has slipped in the post Lions world. Let's have a European ladder, winner plays England, who will play the exiles (who should include a guest player to add something extra) on ANZAC day in London. Jared to get back n the front foot. Not against PR and relegation of some sort, we have in now. Why does it have to be every year? Why not every two years?

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International cricket only has eight real international countries, with a little bit of focus RL could have this too: two French SL teams, maybe a Celtic league down the road for wales/ire/scot, Samoa have a great supply of players, big potential in Tonga, PNG also has huge potential in addition to Eng, NZ and Aus. Bring back Lions tours, it's tours like that that get the column inches, no accident that the profile of RL has slipped in the post Lions world. Let's have a European ladder, winner plays England, who will play the exiles (who should include a guest player to add something extra) on ANZAC day in London. Jared to get back n the front foot. Not against PR and relegation of some sort, we have in now. Why does it have to be every year? Why not every two years?

 

I was but a bit of a lad when the winning British tour to Australia and new Zealand took place and I remember having to go the Keighley library reading room to scout through all the dailies to find any mention of the tour results although they were there somewhere at the bottom of  a page in the depths of the sports sections.

 

GB really took it to the Aussies and kit should have been headline news. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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 Bring back Lions tours, it's tours like that that get the column inches, no accident that the profile of RL has slipped in the post Lions world.

 

Since the last Lions tour in 1996, GB or England have toured Aus and NZ 3 times for the Tri Nations or Four Nations, and of course they were down under in 2008 for the World Cup. I doubt an old style Lions tour would result in any more exposure than any of these produced.

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It is no different from you asking other fans of clubs the same question. does that mean you the lowest of the low for asking others about it previously? I certainly don't think so. I think it's a relevant question to ask.

if you are going to call into question Sadler's integrity

you should so some yourself and tell him to his face.

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Since the last Lions tour in 1996, GB or England have toured Aus and NZ 3 times for the Tri Nations or Four Nations, and of course they were down under in 2008 for the World Cup. I doubt an old style Lions tour would result in any more exposure than any of these produced.

The last tour to take in Australia was in 1992. The 1996 tour was Fiji and New Zealand.

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The last tour to take in Australia was in 1992. The 1996 tour was Fiji and New Zealand.

 

1996 took in PNG as well, but it was the last old style Lions tour even if it didn't go to Oz.

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1996 took in PNG as well, but it was the last old style Lions tour even if it didn't go to Oz.

As the SL and NRL seasons run at the same time,traditional Lions and Kangaroo tours are a thing of the past. It's a shame, but necessary for SL to be in the summer

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International cricket only has eight real international countries, with a little bit of focus RL could have this too: two French SL teams, maybe a Celtic league down the road for wales/ire/scot, Samoa have a great supply of players, big potential in Tonga, PNG also has huge potential in addition to Eng, NZ and Aus. Bring back Lions tours, it's tours like that that get the column inches, no accident that the profile of RL has slipped in the post Lions world. Let's have a European ladder, winner plays England, who will play the exiles (who should include a guest player to add something extra) on ANZAC day in London. Jared to get back n the front foot. Not against PR and relegation of some sort, we have in now. Why does it have to be every year? Why not every two years?

Depends what you mean by real. Bangladesh can be a dangerous one day outfit and once Mugabe dies Zimbabwe will hopefully recover. Ireland, Scotland and Afghanistan are all getting better and better and have regular international competition with each other. I think rugby league could learn a lot from cricket.

The key with developing the sport internationally is for teams of a similar standard to play each other as much as possible. Australia, New Zealand and England in the first tier and PNG, Wales, France etc in the second tier. I mean France and Wales should be playing each other in a three test series every year. Also PNG, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga should play each other as much as possible too. One of the bet things about the 2008 World Cup was the smaller countries going at it full tilt.

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One of the bet things about the 2008 World Cup was the smaller countries going at it full tilt.

That's always the best part of a WC for me.

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That's always the best part of a WC for me.

Well it is much better to watch PNG and Samoa go at it hammer and tongs or Wales and France scrap over a tight game than to watch a second tier side get walloped by 50 points by one of the big boys.

The flaw with the current 4 Nations format is that it reduces the number tier 1 v tier 1 Test matches and introducing an uncompetitive 4th team. I would much prefer to watch France v Wales than either of them playing England. What all sport needs is realistic competition and unpredictability of outcome

Wales should play an annual three match series against the French and to a proper rivalry going and to give both countries an international focus.

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Well it is much better to watch PNG and Samoa go at it hammer and tongs or Wales and France scrap over a tight game than to watch a second tier side get walloped by 50 points by one of the big boys.

The flaw with the current 4 Nations format is that it reduces the number tier 1 v tier 1 Test matches and introducing an uncompetitive 4th team. I would much prefer to watch France v Wales than either of them playing England. What all sport needs is realistic competition and unpredictability of outcome

Wales should play an annual three match series against the French and to a proper rivalry going and to give both countries an international focus.

 

Interesting point because the players will say that it is important for them to play the best nations to improve. Need to get the right balance between the big nations playing each other in highly competitive matches (ie the best against the best) and an opportunity for development for the other nations to get their moment in the sun.

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Interesting point because the players will say that it is important for them to play the best nations to improve. Need to get the right balance between the big nations playing each other in highly competitive matches (ie the best against the best) and an opportunity for development for the other nations to get their moment in the sun.

 

I can't see how Wales getting slapped by 50 points in one off Tests against New Zealand and Australia does them more good than a series of tight matches against an opponent of similar quality.

 

The Tri Nations format when Wales and France provided the warm up opponents for the big three seemed to be the best structure. The big three got two matches against each other whilst the Wales, France, PNG etc got to play the big boys as warm up fixtures. 

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How can we emulate Cricket's sponsorship performance when we don't have the vibrant international scene that cricket, RU and football have. The RFL are striving to introduce more vibrancy into the sport with the changes they are likely to introduce. If they're successful then maybe sponsors will be more likely to support an exciting and intense competition rather than the sterile one which licensing has produced. Hope that makes things a little clearer for you

 

You think that allowing Featherstone, Leigh and Halifax back into the elite fold will create “intense competition”?
 
Did the last 20 years not happen in your world?

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You think that allowing Featherstone, Leigh and Halifax back into the elite fold will create “intense competition”?
 
Did the last 20 years not happen in your world?

 

go on then, remind us of all the great achievements in british rugby league in the last 20 years.

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One major difference with P & R now having had licensing is that whereas under the old system clubs just went broke and into Administration etc. Recently clubs going broke, ie Widnes, Bradford and Salford(who didn't go into admin) where all bought by non Rugby League business men.

They knew that with a 3 year licence priod they had time to turn around a club in that time both on and off the field.

That wouldn't have happened with P & R and all three could have eventually gone into liquidation.

Bringing back P & R would be a disaster.

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One major difference with P & R now having had licensing is that whereas under the old system clubs just went broke and into Administration etc. Recently clubs going broke, ie Widnes, Bradford and Salford(who didn't go into admin) where all bought by non Rugby League business men.

They knew that with a 3 year licence priod they had time to turn around a club in that time both on and off the field.

That wouldn't have happened with P & R and all three could have eventually gone into liquidation.

Bringing back P & R would be a disaster.

Widnes went bust whilst in the 2nd tier, Bradford were only given a license for 1 year.

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go on then, remind us of all the great achievements in british rugby league in the last 20 years.

Growth in attendances

Growth in geographical spread- see championship one

Clubs conducting themselves in a more professional way including yours

More and better tv coverage

Runners up in the 4 nations having beaten the world champions to get there

High class young players coming to prominence- hence NRL clubs recruit them

And whether you like it or not financial stability: one shudders to think what would have happened during the recession if clubs were run like they were

Between 1973 and 1993 ie the previous twenty years how many great achievements were there in rugby league in this country? After a them wot days

The sport has major problems and challenges

many of them going back to 1895

I would suggest that for all its faults the way the game is run now is better than the era the self serving victim centred parochial it's whinge about returning to

Edit: and here's to a successful and enjoyable World Cup I don't think a small group of narrow minded whingers will be missed

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