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If the BBC is so sexist etc etc how come someone like Clare Balding is one of their main presenters and actually was the main anchor for the Olympics? Not forgetting that a big proportion of their big weekend stars are gay?

How do they get anywhere given the enormous discrimination they face?

There clearly isn't that much.

I am referring to the sexual abuse that has taken place by some BBC employees, sometimes on their premises.

 

You'd think they'd be very careful about any kind of sexism.

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Me too, I'm afraid - I was at Wimbledon and he came into the court to watch and sat one seat away. My wife would never have forgiven me if I'd created the scene that I desperately wanted to create.

I've actually walked past Inverdale at Richmond rugby union club and, to my lasting shame, didn't so much as fart in his general direction.

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I don't like Inverdale but I'm not sure I would do anything to hurt him or insult him to his face. Perhaps I'm what Franksy would call a PC caped crusader but what some people are hinting at just doesn't seem right to me. 

 

As for his comments, unsurprising coming from Inverdale who always seems like he doesn't quite know what to say next when he is broadcasting live. I do hope that he is reprimanded by the BBC over this (probably sent on a training course). It's not right but sportsmen and women are judged by their looks more and more these days. Many make a lucrative living out of their looks and image (Sharapova, Beckham) and sports also take advantage in their marketing (Football, RL and RU, cycling to name a few). As slowdive pointed out, young people are pressurised to look good far more than we were when we were growing up and its a problem that is exacerbated by the media.

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I don't like Inverdale but I'm not sure I would do anything to hurt him or insult him to his face. Perhaps I'm what Franksy would call a PC caped crusader but what some people are hinting at just doesn't seem right to me.

As for his comments, unsurprising coming from Inverdale who always seems like he doesn't quite know what to say next when he is broadcasting live. I do hope that he is reprimanded by the BBC over this (probably sent on a training course). It's not right but sportsmen and women are judged by their looks more and more these days. Many make a lucrative living out of their looks and image (Sharapova, Beckham) and sports also take advantage in their marketing (Football, RL and RU, cycling to name a few). As slowdive pointed out, young people are pressurised to look good far more than we were when we were growing up and its a problem that is exacerbated by the media.

Mate I don't think anyone would really give the oily one a slap

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Mate I don't think anyone would really give the oily one a slap

No, but I should have asked him to justify why he is so condescending about rugby league. He makes his living largely being paid by public money so he has a responsibility in what he says. I wonder if anyone has ever taken him to task directly - it would be interesting to know. I suspect he brushes it off like he will with this indiscretion. It's not as bad as Gray/Keys on Sky but you would have thought everyone since then would be ultra careful.

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No, but I should have asked him to justify why he is so condescending about rugby league. He makes his living largely being paid by public money so he has a responsibility in what he says. I wonder if anyone has ever taken him to task directly - it would be interesting to know. I suspect he brushes it off like he will with this indiscretion. It's not as bad as Gray/Keys on Sky but you would have thought everyone since then would be ultra careful.

Oh aye

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Programmes like that probably do, but on the whole boys/men are not discussed in terms of what they look like, certainly not within sports programmes and if they are it is a tiny percentage of the time.  I'm not sure anybody has commented on the fact that Andy Murray is no oil painting, certainly not in the lead up to the final.

 

I actually think women can be as bad if not worse than many men in encouraging other women/girls to consider their looks rather than their what they are about more generally, but that is a result of they themselves being encouraged to think like that.  Look at those awful women's magazines!

Not so long ago a female colleague of mine was telling me what a good role model she thought Jordan was.  FFS why would anybody want their child to grow up like her?

The other day my daughter had to a school project about a famous person and I was trying to think of a woman who wasn't a stereotypical female like Florence Nightingale or an actress/singer and I was struggling off the top of my head.  

I want my daughter to grow up and become who she is able to be and not be constrained by how she thinks she should look and behave.  I don't see lads in the school playground fretting over how they look whereas you can certainly see a lot of girls who are obsessed by what they look like.

I also have a young daughter and before her two lads and the approach say,  to education is quite marked in my experience. Girls are somehow treated different, more sort of valued, if that's the right word. I don't mean schools don't care about boys but there seems to be a bit more of a 'just get on with it' treatment of boys. But then when lads grow up unable to express themselves it is blamed on the fact that they are male and its because men are cavemen.

 

And you will find boys fretting over what they look like, its just that they might not say so. I think anyone who claims women are not equal to men is either mad or doesn't actually know any women. I don't need some clown like Germaine Greer trying to tell me that, I know. All people like her do is line their pockets and create divisions where none exist.

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I also have a young daughter and before her two lads and the approach say,  to education is quite marked in my experience. Girls are somehow treated different, more sort of valued, if that's the right word. I don't mean schools don't care about boys but there seems to be a bit more of a 'just get on with it' treatment of boys. But then when lads grow up unable to express themselves it is blamed on the fact that they are male and its because men are cavemen.

 

And you will find boys fretting over what they look like, its just that they might not say so. I think anyone who claims women are not equal to men is either mad or doesn't actually know any women. I don't need some clown like Germaine Greer trying to tell me that, I know. All people like her do is line their pockets and create divisions where none exist.

During my law degree, we had one subject that covered a lot of feminist topics: "contemporary legal thought".  Utter waste of a subject as it was taught but could have been so much more as there were a lot of separate bits of it that were good.  Our main lecturer and my group tutor for that subject was one of the Greenham Common protesters and her view was that women should always be given the benefit of the doubt when there's an allegation they make against a man, her word being given more weight against his when there's a doubt about the truth.  She was serious when she said that women had been so oppressed through the centuries that they should be given special legal treatment over men.  She thought Maggie Thatcher was a traitor against all women for failing to make feminist rights a key part of her government programme.

 

I barely passed that subject as I railed strongly against having to write down or read any more Andrea Dworkin or Catharine MacKinnon quotes.  It was quite possibly the most frustrating and intellectually bankrupt course of education that I've ever done in my life.

As an aside, I had the same woman for my Land Law course and I ended up making a complaint to the head of the department as I just couldn't see how anyone could teach a subject such as land law when the view she expressed repeatedly was that property rights are theft from the common people.  I ended up simply not bothering to attend her tutorials and taking separate extra tuition getting the second highest individual course mark of my degree.

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During my law degree, we had one subject that covered a lot of feminist topics: "contemporary legal thought". Utter waste of a subject as it was taught but could have been so much more as there were a lot of separate bits of it that were good. Our main lecturer and my group tutor for that subject was one of the Greenham Common protesters and her view was that women should always be given the benefit of the doubt when there's an allegation they make against a man, her word being given more weight against his when there's a doubt about the truth. She was serious when she said that women had been so oppressed through the centuries that they should be given special legal treatment over men. She thought Maggie Thatcher was a traitor against all women for failing to make feminist rights a key part of her government programme.

I barely passed that subject as I railed strongly against having to write down or read any more Andrea Dworkin or Catharine MacKinnon quotes. It was quite possibly the most frustrating and intellectually bankrupt course of education that I've ever done in my life.

As an aside, I had the same woman for my Land Law course and I ended up making a complaint to the head of the department as I just couldn't see how anyone could teach a subject such as land law when the view she expressed repeatedly was that property rights are theft from the common people. I ended up simply not bothering to attend her tutorials and taking separate extra tuition getting the second highest individual course mark of my degree.

Bloody hell

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During my law degree, we had one subject that covered a lot of feminist topics: "contemporary legal thought". Utter waste of a subject as it was taught but could have been so much more as there were a lot of separate bits of it that were good. Our main lecturer and my group tutor for that subject was one of the Greenham Common protesters and her view was that women should always be given the benefit of the doubt when there's an allegation they make against a man, her word being given more weight against his when there's a doubt about the truth. She was serious when she said that women had been so oppressed through the centuries that they should be given special legal treatment over men. She thought Maggie Thatcher was a traitor against all women for failing to make feminist rights a key part of her government programme.

I barely passed that subject as I railed strongly against having to write down or read any more Andrea Dworkin or Catharine MacKinnon quotes. It was quite possibly the most frustrating and intellectually bankrupt course of education that I've ever done in my life.

As an aside, I had the same woman for my Land Law course and I ended up making a complaint to the head of the department as I just couldn't see how anyone could teach a subject such as land law when the view she expressed repeatedly was that property rights are theft from the common people. I ended up simply not bothering to attend her tutorials and taking separate extra tuition getting the second highest individual course mark of my degree.

I used to know a woman who was at Greenham Common. Being a young leftie I expressed an interest in going along by way of support. Horrified she told me absolutely no way as men were not welcome. I thought she was joking but was deadly serious. She said men could go near to provide food or money or whatever but not join in. I told her to jog on. Feminists are full of shot.

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I used to know a woman who was at Greenham Common. Being a young leftie I expressed an interest in going along by way of support. Horrified she told me absolutely no way as men were not welcome. I thought she was joking but was deadly serious. She said men could go near to provide food or money or whatever but not join in. I told her to jog on. Feminists are full of shot.

No, it's just some feminists who seem to wilfully misunderstand and/or misapply what is at heart a valid and worthy position/cause. See most religions and other political theories.

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No, it's just some feminists who seem to wilfully misunderstand and/or misapply what is at heart a valid and worthy position/cause. See most religions and other political theories.

Quite.  You will always get a lunatic fringe who take things to a ridiculous degree.  In response to Johnoco suggesting that men and women are equal at the moment I would argue strongly that the facts clearly show this isn't the case.  Women are massively underrepresented in most top jobs  whether it's politics, business etc and women generally tend not to get the same levels of pay on average as men.  I too had a lecturer who had attended Greenham Common although I think she had moderated her views substantially by the time I bumped into her.  

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Inverdale's comment may have been sexist, but it was also bizarre and crass. The idea that a player has to adopt a particular style because she is not "a looker" is laughable. He seems prone to these kind of gaffes. IIRC,when he was anchoring the beeb's athletics coverage and  talking about Christophe Lemaitre , the French sprinter, he spoke about him as the "great white hope" who could challenge the dominance of black sprinters. The look of contempt on Michael Johnson's face was priceless.........

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Quite. You will always get a lunatic fringe who take things to a ridiculous degree. In response to Johnoco suggesting that men and women are equal at the moment I would argue strongly that the facts clearly show this isn't the case. Women are massively underrepresented in most top jobs whether it's politics, business etc and women generally tend not to get the same levels of pay on average as men. I too had a lecturer who had attended Greenham Common although I think she had moderated her views substantially by the time I bumped into her.

Of course I know that in reality women are not 50-50 in positions of power. This is because up to recently there were none. This is changing.

The equality I am talking about is in everyday life and how women are just as strong when it comes to dealing with life.

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No, it's just some feminists who seem to wilfully misunderstand and/or misapply what is at heart a valid and worthy position/cause. See most religions and other political theories.

I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.

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I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.

Some may well do but that isn't really an accurate representation of feminism.  

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No, it's just some feminists who seem to wilfully misunderstand and/or misapply what is at heart a valid and worthy position/cause. See most religions and other political theories.

 

Yep, I consider myself a feminist as I am for equal rights for women. Unfortunately many people who claim to be feminists are simply misandrist.

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Quite.  You will always get a lunatic fringe who take things to a ridiculous degree.  In response to Johnoco suggesting that men and women are equal at the moment I would argue strongly that the facts clearly show this isn't the case.  Women are massively underrepresented in most top jobs  whether it's politics, business etc and women generally tend not to get the same levels of pay on average as men.  I too had a lecturer who had attended Greenham Common although I think she had moderated her views substantially by the time I bumped into her.  

 

I agree to a certain degree but I don't know whether you can use the lack of women in top jobs as evidence of unequal rights for women. 

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For a man with a face like a burst leather armchair.

No better description could I think of. Excellent. Funny because it's true.

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One thing I am surprised to see not mentioned, is the irony of a second rate hack questioning any facet of a person at the pinnacle of their chosen profession.

 

Stealing a living, doen't come close. Odious toad.

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.  I ended up simply not bothering to attend her tutorials and taking separate extra tuition getting the second highest individual course mark of my degree.

 

 

I too didn't bother attending tutorials, generally because, when you did go, they kept setting you homework.

 

I had enough on my plate without doing any homework, thank you very much. I had top fit in a full week of  going to lectures, playing rugby, doing disco lights and sitting round the house listening to music whilst dicussing the relative merits of that month's Mayfair, Men Only and Club Intermational. And that was before seeing bands and going out drinking every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

 

Then they had the absolute cheek to give me a rubbish degree!

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Do you think Inverdale's dad told him when he was little "You're never going to have social skills, and will always be a bit oily. You'll never be a raconteur and wit, so you have to work in the media, maybe on something rugby union related, where your innate smugness would appeal to its demographic"?

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Do you think Inverdale's dad told him when he was little "You're never going to have social skills, and will always be a bit oily. You'll never be a raconteur and wit, so you have to work in the media, maybe on something rugby union related, where your innate smugness would appeal to its demographic"?

 

Oi, its not our fault he is sometimes connected to RU. No need to bring us into this. ;)

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