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I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.

Mate sometimes you paint with too broad a brush

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I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.

 

Then, by definition, they aren't feminists.

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I too didn't bother attending tutorials, generally because, when you did go, they kept setting you homework.

 

I had enough on my plate without doing any homework, thank you very much. I had top fit in a full week of  going to lectures, playing rugby, doing disco lights and sitting round the house listening to music whilst dicussing the relative merits of that month's Mayfair, Men Only and Club Intermational. And that was before seeing bands and going out drinking every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

 

Then they had the absolute cheek to give me a rubbish degree!

You were clearly being victimised because of your gender.

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Mate sometimes you paint with too broad a brush

Only when doing the decking. I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

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You were clearly being victimised because of your gender.

 

Maybe, but I showed solidarity with the wimmin by having hair hanging over my shoulders and being willing to take the ugly mate.

 

:D

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Well done everyone for getting to page five without getting locked.

 

I'm quite enjoying this thread, even more pleased that my quiz had a team with an anti-Inverdale name tonight (it doesn't take much to please me). Maybe the tide has turned, people!

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I know what you are saying but I don't believe feminists want equality but dominance.

Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

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Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

But they seem to be the ones setting the agenda.

Anarchists don't believe in disorder and chaos but that is exactly what would ensue under such a 'system'. The reality from what it says on the manifesto is always different.

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Only when doing the decking. I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

you've been watching your two ronnies box set again haven't you?

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Only when doing the decking. I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

Sorry to repeat myself but what you describe isn't feminism. Some people who have those views may call themselves feminists but by the definition of the word they are not. The only word I know to describe them would be misandrists.

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The only word I know to describe them would be misandrists.

 

Or 'fat birds in polo shirts and jeans'

 

[steps back and awaits the right-on-brigade response ]

 

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Seriously, I don't think there are any notable or influential hard line feminists any more are there? The battle has already been won and, in most instances, needed to be won.

 

You can legislate how ever much you like but men and women will always rate each other on a sliding scale of physical attraction.

What Inverdale said was unprofessional ...  which is a different "offence" ... and betrayed a lack of class in his demeanour.

 

With regard to working opportunities. Just about every organisation I deal with has a woman as Head or Deputy Head of Human Resources, so, unless other factors are introduced (yes Bradford Council, I'm talking about you), appointment and promotion should be on an impartial and equal basis.

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Sorry but the last half of your sentence disproves the first. A 'feminist' who wants domination isn't a feminist at all.

 

Dominatrix?

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Seriously, I don't think there are any notable or influential hard line feminists any more are there? The battle has already been won

very far from thje truth on both counts.

you'd certainly get an argument on your first point from the governor of Texas.

And as for the battle being won, you must be kidding.

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very far from thje truth on both counts.

you'd certainly get an argument on your first point from the governor of Texas.

And as for the battle being won, you must be kidding.

I'm not so sure. In the UK we have clear anti discrimination laws that specifically state that, among other things, you cannot discriminate on the basis of gender. You will always have sexist people like you will always have racist and homophobic people, but in terms of rights, isn't it now fairly equal?

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I'm not so sure. In the UK we have clear anti discrimination laws that specifically state that, among other things, you cannot discriminate on the basis of gender. You will always have sexist people like you will always have racist and homophobic people, but in terms of rights, isn't it now fairly equal?

 

I believe in the UK it is.  There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered.  But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics.  Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

 

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.

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I believe in the UK it is. There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered. But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics. Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.

Sexist attitudes are rife no matter what laws we have: which as you say are comprehensive

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I believe in the UK it is. There are issues that still need to be addressed, and countered. But, for me, they include the complete and total lack of male primary school teachers as much as the comparative absence of women from mathematics. Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.

Interesting you should mention mathematics (I'm assuming you mean teachers). The gender split on our course is pretty much 50:50 so something must be happening to prevent female maths teachers getting posts. Wether that is a lack of interest in the profession from women or the recruitment policies if schools I don't know.

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Society does judge men and women differently and have differing expectations - but I do also think that's changing and is mostly heading in the right direction.

Which is, of course, the crux of the matter.

In terms of rights though, as in legally framed and enforceable equality, I'm not sure there's owt missing gender-wise.

Interesting. Are there any remaining primogeniture issues? Sexual health/body politics? Employment restrictions?

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Anarchists don't believe in disorder and chaos but that is exactly what would ensue under such a 'system'.

 

 

At the risk of derailing the thread no it wouldn't.

 

Happy to discuss in a PM John

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At the risk of derailing the thread no it wouldn't.

Happy to discuss in a PM John

It is not especially derailing the thread mate, its just the point that what someone espouses as a political idea never materialises that way. The sticking point with anarchy is......people. People will always cause the problems. In anarchy's case it would be people not pulling their weight.

But it could be any political idea (I know anarchists are meant to be anti politics. ..but you know what I mean) people will always be the problem.

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Which is, of course, the crux of the matter.

Interesting. Are there any remaining primogeniture issues? Sexual health/body politics? Employment restrictions?

 

 

There's never been a woman Pope or Archbishop or (I think) Chief Rabbi or Dalai Lama.

 

There's a Woman's Hour on the radio but no Men's Hour.

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 I believe at the heart of feminism, (not a few radical sistas) lies a desire for women to 'pay men back' and be the dominant, not equa,l party.

 

So why is it that white, heterosexual, working class males are somehow lower on some indefinable moral scale than, say, a black disabled lesbian?

Don't get me wrong I'm not a racist, I have female friends who are lesbians and have mates of both sexes who are disabled. BUT I'm ###### off at the demonisation of the straight white working class male. I've done nothing wrong, I've nothing to apologise for and yet middle class trendy feminist lefty arty farty ######s would have us believe we're somewhere alongside the great criminals of history.

So lets set the record straight here, all the great battles for freedom in this country have been fought by (mainly) working class white men. Who stopped Moseley's fascists at Cable Street? White working class men.

Who fought the middle class yeomanry at Peterloo? White working class men.

 Who fought the great battles for trade union recognition and for the freedom to organise in the 19th century? White working class men. 

Who beat Hitler and the Nazis? (Mainly)  white working class men

The fact is there's not much difference between right-wing patricians like Cameron and his ilk and the trendy latte sipping feminist middle class lefties, they're all scared of white working class men, why? Because they see in us something they are lacking, they see life and love and humour, because we are the real deal. As I said we've done nowt wrong we've nowt to apologise for.

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