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I guess it'd be a little bit like when Gateshead Thunder and Hull Sharks merged to form Hull FC.

It's brilliant that the remnants of the two old clubs have been able to form something new and vibrant in Chiswick/Clapham Common but, equally, I can't imagine why anyone would object to 'Stormlord' resurecting SLS 2.0 back at Frant Road as long as no attempt was made to destabilise the new club.

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The Storm club is now part of chargers just like the Sharks. It would be weird if Balmain Tigers started playing again while West Tigers still existed.

Balmain still play in the NSWRL.

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Bbfaz - you only managed 4 games and a couple of cup games. You used 60 players in those games? Why do you think that they weren't available to play more games?

 

 

We had eight run outs in the end; four league, two cup, the 9’s and an intra-squad due to a late cancellation.  We had a 10 game regular season scheduled at the start of the year and had our opponents not dipped, we would have played eight of those fixtures.  Two weeks, we just didn’t have numbers due to injuries and our opponents didn’t have numbers either so it was a mutual cancellation. 

 

Looking at the numbers, half of the guys who missed games were unavoidable; injuries, family issues, work issues or money trouble.  For instance, we lost a high-quality back because he signed for an RFU Championship club for next season!  About a sixth were just guys who played because they were curious or to fill in and almost all of them never came back to training.  Another sixth joined us later in the season.  The squad listing at the end of the season was genuinely very different to how it looked at the start.

 

If you ask our coach, what killed us was inconsistent fixtures due to pull-outs.  Numbers were high until we started losing a week or a fortnight.  He wants to be in a fully-fixtured league, which brings me on to…

 

 

With all these London clubs popping up maybe it's time for a regional London comp (under the premier one). Bears, Newham, Stains, Chargers A, Hammersmith A, B&D, Weald A, new South London, even Southend? Would be a nice competition with regular fixtures.

 

Of those teams, only Newham and Chargers A put together consistent seasons.  Staines will qualify for the playoffs, Southend and Thames Ditton have been impressive considering how late they started, Weald A, Hoists A and B&D have barely played a game.  Enfield are trying to get a team going at Chingford RU, South London at Streatham-Croydon RU.  If somebody could fill that empty gap between Staines and Skolars, we might actually be onto something here.

EDIT: What I'd actually propose is conferences.  If B&D can raise a team next season, why not have them, Newham, Southend, Mudchute and Enfield in a formal conference?  Provide, say, eight fixtures per season, this leaves the ability to have inter-conference games and then a playoff system would actually make sense?

 

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Could something along the lines of the Midlands Premier (ie, a large league with a regionalised draw) not be made to work in London?

Merit leagues are a great testing ground initially but my experience has always been that the less commitment you ask from players the less they will give.

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We had eight run outs in the end; four league, two cup, the 9’s and an intra-squad due to a late cancellation. We had a 10 game regular season scheduled at the start of the year and had our opponents not dipped, we would have played eight of those fixtures. Two weeks, we just didn’t have numbers due to injuries and our opponents didn’t have numbers either so it was a mutual cancellation.

Looking at the numbers, half of the guys who missed games were unavoidable; injuries, family issues, work issues or money trouble. For instance, we lost a high-quality back because he signed for an RFU Championship club for next season! About a sixth were just guys who played because they were curious or to fill in and almost all of them never came back to training. Another sixth joined us later in the season. The squad listing at the end of the season was genuinely very different to how it looked at the start.

If you ask our coach, what killed us was inconsistent fixtures due to pull-outs. Numbers were high until we started losing a week or a fortnight. He wants to be in a fully-fixtured league, which brings me on to…

Of those teams, only Newham and Chargers A put together consistent seasons. Staines will qualify for the playoffs, Southend and Thames Ditton have been impressive considering how late they started, Weald A, Hoists A and B&D have barely played a game. Enfield are trying to get a team going at Chingford RU, South London at Streatham-Croydon RU. If somebody could fill that empty gap between Staines and Skolars, we might actually be onto something here.

EDIT: What I'd actually propose is conferences. If B&D can raise a team next season, why not have them, Newham, Southend, Mudchute and Enfield in a formal conference? Provide, say, eight fixtures per season, this leaves the ability to have inter-conference games and then a playoff system would actually make sense?

What killed us this year is fairly local games ,both home and away, oppos cried off . No point naming names. Week after was Southampton away then another team cried off against us then HHH 1s away. With a few games do I think we could ve got 17 lads on a minibus for 3 hours? Probably. Reckon we could've won 1 out of 2 as well :-)

A league with no more than 90-120 mins travel time, starting in May would be ideal for many

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Of course, we're all in glass houses here.  Nobody is perfect, nobody should profess to be.  My main concern about forming a full fixture list is that of the 11 genuine Entry League teams from last year and the two I know are entering next year (Enfield and South London), eight are newly formed.  The league is very young, are we ready for fully-fixtured seasons?  Are there even really enough merit teams around anymore?

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Do you really think that having a club in the borough will make these kids keep playing rugby league? The South London Acadamy side has folded this year and from all reports they didn't really want to play much seniors last year. Thinking back over the last 10 years I can only think of a dozen storm juniors who went on to play for storm seniors on a regular basis.

If there is so much history and passion for Storm, why did it get to the situation it was in? Surely it is better to start a fresh and launch a new club - names and colours mean nothing. It is the heart and sole of a club that is its true identity.

The Storm club is now part of chargers just like the Sharks. It would be weird if Balmain Tigers started playing again while West Tigers still existed.

I think the move back to Frant road is a great idea and will be a great link back into a strong union club so wouldn't Stretham & Croydon xxxxx be better? .... I don't know why Storm moved in the first place.

 

At a guess you're one of the Storm people who went to Chargers?

 

With a club in the Borough there is a possibility that some kids will keep on playing through in to OA. Without a club they'll probably be lost to the game forever. So the Academy team has folded. Sad news indeed. I wonder if the loss of the OA team played a part in their demise. I honestly don't know. I'll admit that I was often left disappointed by just how few youth players went on to the Seniors. Was it a Storm thing, or was the club no worse than anyone else?

 

I disagree that names and colours mean nothing - they help create an identity. It's not for no reason that sports clubs the world over by and large retain the same colours, logos, nicknames etc. I was heavily involved with Storm from 97 to 07 and know that we built a loyalty and passion for the club. Things went belly up after that. Ill-advised moves and wrong personnel played a part. Maybe not enough creedance was given to the factors that  had helped build the club up.  

 

Anyway, if names and colours mean nothing then I guess there'll be no objection to the new South London entity using the name Storm.

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South London "insert new name" making a comeback.. great news. will look forward to a game or two next year..

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Storm died a slow death when it moved from Streatham&Croydon. S&C didn't like Storm there - that's why they increased the fees to £6k. If you think you're going to train on a better facility (that S&C will provide for less cash then that, you're deluding yourself. Or you'll have to fiddle the books a hell of a lot better than the last lad who ran storm back in the day...

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Sounds like Graeme has reached an agreement with S&C so, whatever the 'new' club ends up being called, it's a good news story as far as I'm concerned.

Croydon Hurricanes?

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Sounds like Graeme has reached an agreement with S&C so, whatever the 'new' club ends up being called, it's a good news story as far as I'm concerned.

Croydon Hurricanes?

 

Spot on! TackleMachine's way, way out on this one.

 

For ten years Storm enjoyed an excellent relationship with our landlords, but from 2008 onwards it went increasingly pear-shaped. And it's true, S-C were happy to see the back of Storm by the end, but that was as much due due to some of the personalities involved with Storm as anything else.  

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I think the fact that N16 will boost S&C's bar takings will also probably sweeten the deal too.

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Oh, it's good that S&C are more welcoming now. Last I heard their attitude was "We're rugby union, why should we do anything to help rugby league?" Maybe that South African isn't there any more.

 

The problem with Storm post 09 was the lack of players. And arrogant juniors not stepping up to play senior footy without a Super League contract. Have you thought about how you will recruit players around there? There's always a lot of talk from the locals about how 'pumped' they are for the season to come and when it does, they don't even show. They spend more time wearing Storm stash in the gym then putting the work in on the pitch.

 

Storm had good coaches and a decent ground last season, but no players. What would you do differently starting a new club 5 min down the road from Lanfranc?

 

Have you found a coach? Important to have one that won't quit halfway through the season like the Beckenham one.

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Oh, it's good that S&C are more welcoming now. Last I heard their attitude was "We're rugby union, why should we do anything to help rugby league?" Maybe that South African isn't there any more.

 

The problem with Storm post 09 was the lack of players. And arrogant juniors not stepping up to play senior footy without a Super League contract. Have you thought about how you will recruit players around there? There's always a lot of talk from the locals about how 'pumped' they are for the season to come and when it does, they don't even show. They spend more time wearing Storm stash in the gym then putting the work in on the pitch.

 

Storm had good coaches and a decent ground last season, but no players. What would you do differently starting a new club 5 min down the road from Lanfranc?

 

Have you found a coach? Important to have one that won't quit halfway through the season like the Beckenham one.

These problems happen all the time in the amateur game.

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This is all great reading, keep up the good work !

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These problems happen all the time in the amateur game.

 

Plus, some of it isn't strictly true.  Our coach took training but had to step back from a few matchdays.  He played and coached the London Cup final so he hardly quit mid-season.

 

I know half a dozen former Storm academy players and none of them thought they were going pro.  I know they wanted to play, you'd have to ask them why that didn't happen for the South London Storm.  I don't profess to speak for others, the one guy who I talked to about it was adamant that the setup at Lanfranc was not conducive to building club unity and was worse than Streatham-Croydon.

 

To be honest, this sort of awful ###### talking that comes out of TackleMachine is exactly the problem.  We could all come together and bake a really nice cake, instead some are content to scrap over the crumbs and argue who knocked them on the floor.  

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There's a rugby league club in Clapham/Chiswick, there's one in Beckenham and, hopefully, there'll soon be one in Croydon again.

All good news, r

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There's a rugby league club in Clapham/Chiswick, there's one in Beckenham and, hopefully, there'll soon be one in Croydon again.

All good news, right? So why the barbs?

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Ask the guy from the Chargers. I just want to see clubs work together.

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Oh, it's good that S&C are more welcoming now. Last I heard their attitude was "We're rugby union, why should we do anything to help rugby league?" Maybe that South African isn't there any more.

 

The problem with Storm post 09 was the lack of players. And arrogant juniors not stepping up to play senior footy without a Super League contract. Have you thought about how you will recruit players around there? There's always a lot of talk from the locals about how 'pumped' they are for the season to come and when it does, they don't even show. They spend more time wearing Storm stash in the gym then putting the work in on the pitch.

 

Storm had good coaches and a decent ground last season, but no players. What would you do differently starting a new club 5 min down the road from Lanfranc?

 

Have you found a coach? Important to have one that won't quit halfway through the season like the Beckenham one.

The Saffa is still there! He's been a mate of mine for 16 years and is a former Storm player himself! He has no objection to the return of RL to Frant Road. I guess that some of the issues were simply a clash of personalities! 

 

As for attracting players, i don't believe that there will be a problem. The first First team fixture that Storm pulled on was in July 2011 - in the preceding fourteen years the club fulfilled EVERY fixture. Between 2000 and 2011 the club fielded a Second team that played a minimum of 7/8 games a season, and we even turned out a third team on several occasions in the mid 2000s.

 

None of that sounds like Storm was a club located in an area that struggled to attract players. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

Yep, an experienced coach is a must and a real challenge. But I don't see why you needed to throw in the comment about the Bears. Some bad blood? Lee did a good job and was respected by the players.  

 

And as bbfaz correctly states, playing at Lanfranc School was not conducive to building (re-building?) a club. Decent pitch and nothing else. From what I saw on matchday all the guys worked hard to make it a success and you can't fault anyone for effort, but munching on a burger whilst huddled under a gazebo in the freezing rain isn't really the future. 

 

Don't worry, South London 2.0 will do just fine.  Hopefully RL will end up with three vibrant clubs in Bears, Souths and Chargers. Win Win all round. 

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The Saffa is still there! He's been a mate of mine for 16 years and is a former Storm player himself! He has no objection to the return of RL to Frant Road. I guess that some of the issues were simply a clash of personalities! 

 

As for attracting players, i don't believe that there will be a problem. The first First team fixture that Storm pulled on was in July 2011 - in the preceding fourteen years the club fulfilled EVERY fixture. Between 2000 and 2011 the club fielded a Second team that played a minimum of 7/8 games a season, and we even turned out a third team on several occasions in the mid 2000s.

 

None of that sounds like Storm was a club located in an area that struggled to attract players. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

Yep, an experienced coach is a must and a real challenge. But I don't see why you needed to throw in the comment about the Bears. Some bad blood? Lee did a good job and was respected by the players.  

 

And as bbfaz correctly states, playing at Lanfranc School was not conducive to building (re-building?) a club. Decent pitch and nothing else. From what I saw on matchday all the guys worked hard to make it a success and you can't fault anyone for effort, but munching on a burger whilst huddled under a gazebo in the freezing rain isn't really the future. 

 

Don't worry, South London 2.0 will do just fine.  Hopefully RL will end up with three vibrant clubs in Bears, Souths and Chargers. Win Win all round.

There's life in London yet!

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There's life in London yet!

Amen to that. Part of the frustration with the Broncos is that they seem so divorced from the burgeoning grassroots in the south east

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Amen to that. Part of the frustration with the Broncos is that they seem so divorced from the burgeoning grassroots in the south east

 

According to some the Broncos are the very reason the grass roots are doing so well. Somebody's wrong.

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I think the work the London RL do is fairly underrated.  Stuff like London Origin and their development squads are where the Broncos find the bulk of the guys they trial for their youth squads.

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Clubs from south London won three out of the five finals, the Croydon Hurricanes Under-13s kicking off proceedings with a 28-20 victory over Elmbridge Eagles. Each side scored five tries but the Eagles were unable to convert any of their while Dan Johnson’s four conversions for the Hurricanes was to prove the difference.

 

Croydon dominated the first half rattling up16 points without reply through two tries from Samuel Ajayi and one from Emmanuel Adusi two of which were converted by Johnson.

 

The Eagles hit back early in the second half with two tries from Alfie Ransom and one from Jordan Billhem to make it 16-12. Ben Collins gave Croydon’s a 10-point advantage with a touchdown which Johnson converted but back came Elmbridge, Chauncey Taylor touching down following a 50-metre run.

 

Ajayi then completed his hat-trick with a try under the posts to give Johnson a simple conversion which sealed the contest although Elmbridge had the final say when Ransom capped a fine performance by completing his hat-trick.

 

The Croydon Hurricanes Under-16s wrapped things up with a 34-12 win over Medway Dragons. They raced into a 22-6 lead by half time with tries from James Forey, Jordan Richardson, Yohan Tesfai and Kameron Pearce Paul with Richardson converting three. Medway’s points came from a touchdown and conversion by Tom Josling.

 

After the break Croydon increased their lead with tries from Isaac Johnson and Tesfai both converted by Richardson Medway finishing on a positive note when Naeem Nunes crossed and Josling converted.

 

Croydon's U13s and U16s winning titles last weekend.

 

Need for an OA club?

 

 

 

 

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