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From a quick check I reckon the total attendance in the 9 championship and championship 1 games on Sunday was just over 8000.  Two clubs Fev and Fax accounted for over half of that total.  How on earth is this sustainable?

Fully agree on this, how can a clubs in our league survive especially with the way the fixtures are, and the travelling expenditure alone must be a killer on the revenue coming in.

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Fully agree on this, how can a clubs in our league survive especially with the way the fixtures are, and the travelling expenditure alone must be a killer on the revenue coming in.

Agree with the overall concerns. However, travel is subsidised by the RFL for this development league. Therefore, it has no impact on revenue directly - although crowds of 100-400 clearly do.

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Travel costs may well apply to the 'new' clubs but it certainly doesn't to the established clubs like Oldham.

 

It also appears from attending all the away games this season, that there are a few other rules which don't seem to apply to 'developing' clubs. Examples of these are no stewards, no turnstiles, no fencing off of the playing area and as was the case at Oxford, no area for the players to eat after the match with 'a burger, chips and gravy' (without even a fork to eat it with!) from the match day catering cabin being considered 'good enough' post-match food for them. Very professional! 

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Travel costs may well apply to the 'new' clubs but it certainly doesn't to the established clubs like Oldham.

 

It also appears from attending all the away games this season, that there are a few other rules which don't seem to apply to 'developing' clubs. Examples of these are no stewards, no turnstiles, no fencing off of the playing area and as was the case at Oxford, no area for the players to eat after the match with 'a burger, chips and gravy' (without even a fork to eat it with!) from the match day catering cabin being considered 'good enough' post-match food for them. Very professional! 

Not only does it not apply to the established clubs but the way the fixtures are organised is detrimental to them as well, one home game then two away.

 

I know CH as his knockers but how do you keep the club alive with no income stream, especially paying winning pay as well every week???

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Travel costs may well apply to the 'new' clubs but it certainly doesn't to the established clubs like Oldham.

It also appears from attending all the away games this season, that there are a few other rules which don't seem to apply to 'developing' clubs. Examples of these are no stewards, no turnstiles, no fencing off of the playing area and as was the case at Oxford, no area for the players to eat after the match with 'a burger, chips and gravy' (without even a fork to eat it with!) from the match day catering cabin being considered 'good enough' post-match food for them. Very professional!

According to the RFL, ALL CH1 clubs receive £70k plus travel subsidy or has someone been telling porkies?!

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If I am incorrect with my fact about the transport costs that is a misunderstanding on my part and I hold my hand up. I have no wish to 'score points' just to agree with 'Higgy' about how hard it must be to keep the club alive with all the costs involved on a very low budget and such low crowds. Surely you can't disagree with that!

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If I am incorrect with my fact about the transport costs that is a misunderstanding on my part and I hold my hand up. I have no wish to 'score points' just to agree with 'Higgy' about how hard it must be to keep the club alive with all the costs involved on a very low budget and such low crowds. Surely you can't disagree with that!

Exactly what I said on my original post

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According to the RFL, ALL CH1 clubs receive £70k plus travel subsidy or has someone been telling porkies?!

If you are right with this and you probably are, its even more of a joke. .

 

How can you possibly run a club on 70k without substantial outside backing which we have not got, and also this makes a mockery of comments of CH knockers that he is taking a 50k salary from the club???

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If you are right with this and you probably are, its even more of a joke. .

How can you possibly run a club on 70k without substantial outside backing which we have not got, and also this makes a mockery of comments of CH knockers that he is taking a 50k salary from the club???

As I understand it the funding was £100k until the Sports England money was slashed. Clubs can spend the cash however they see fit.

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Travel costs may well apply to the 'new' clubs but it certainly doesn't to the established clubs like Oldham.

 

It also appears from attending all the away games this season, that there are a few other rules which don't seem to apply to 'developing' clubs. Examples of these are no stewards, no turnstiles, no fencing off of the playing area and as was the case at Oxford, no area for the players to eat after the match with 'a burger, chips and gravy' (without even a fork to eat it with!) from the match day catering cabin being considered 'good enough' post-match food for them. Very professional!

That last is a bit rubbish and needs sorting, other than that we're getting there though, slowly.

It was good to meet so many of you in the Fir Tree after the game, we're in our infancy down here, but we've got a good ground and aren't hopeless on it.

I know you're all pushing for promotion, but if you're still in C1 next season, come again, and see if we've made progress. Hopefully it's not the worst place you've been all season....

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That last is a bit rubbish and needs sorting, other than that we're getting there though, slowly.

It was good to meet so many of you in the Fir Tree after the game, we're in our infancy down here, but we've got a good ground and aren't hopeless on it.

I know you're all pushing for promotion, but if you're still in C1 next season, come again, and see if we've made progress. Hopefully it's not the worst place you've been all season....

Well Well I don't know if to laugh or cry.Money doesn't seem to be a problem for Oxford???

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From a quick check I reckon the total attendance in the 9 championship and championship 1 games on Sunday was just over 8000.  Two clubs Fev and Fax accounted for over half of that total.  How on earth is this sustainable?

Crowds down because Cru weren't playing!!!  We manage to get bigger attendances than all other CH1 fixtures added together and add significant numbers to all clubs when we play away . People seem to like watching a winning team.

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Not many discussing the question of attendances and the question:-is the game dying?  I have no doubt that Crusaders would have had the biggest attendance in Championship 1 if they had been playing but the 8000 total includes 2 of the best 3 supported clubs both playing at home.  Interestingly they play each other this week Thurs night.  I reckon that the aggregate attendance for the 8 matches in Champ and Champ1 this Sunday will probably be below 4000.  How can it be sustainable?

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If you are right with this and you probably are, its even more of a joke. .

 

How can you possibly run a club on 70k without substantial outside backing which we have not got, and also this makes a mockery of comments of CH knockers that he is taking a 50k salary from the club???

Don't the chief executives of each club get there salary from the RFL and not their own clubs if so that explains where CH gets paid from and as you say Higgy not from the club and its £70k if that is what the clubs revenue is.

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Don't the chief executives of each club get there salary from the RFL and not their own clubs if so that explains where CH gets paid from and as you say Higgy not from the club and its £70k if that is what the clubs revenue is.

Nope. It was out of the £100k (now £70k). That's the only payment from the RFL excepting the travel subsidy this season.

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RFL pay for chief exec, I think it is 45k if you don't have a chief exec you don't receive the money,

One of the conditions of getting the £70k is having a Chief Exec - there is no additional payment

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To get back on track. The question asked was is the game dying. I think the most simple answer is yes. The greed of teams at the top table, by not allowing promotion and relegation has killed off all interest at the levels below SL. The once prestige Challenge Cup has become a farce, where interest is not aroused until the semi final stage, if at all.

Now after the horse has bolted the RFL are trying to address the issue by changing the format of SL. But this change needs the SL clubs to vote for it. We need the RFL to take a Draconian approach to all these matters and stop the tail from wagging the dog. I already think it may be too late. 

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To get back on track. The question asked was is the game dying. I think the most simple answer is yes. The greed of teams at the top table, by not allowing promotion and relegation has killed off all interest at the levels below SL. The once prestige Challenge Cup has become a farce, where interest is not aroused until the semi final stage, if at all.

Now after the horse has bolted the RFL are trying to address the issue by changing the format of SL. But this change needs the SL clubs to vote for it. We need the RFL to take a Draconian approach to all these matters and stop the tail from wagging the dog. I already think it may be too late.

Looks like they did last night SC! Lets hope it's not too late to being the poorly patient back from death's door!

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IMHO there is little interest after the top 8 in super league,

 

Interest will be raised next year when 2 clubs are cut, and yes the game is dying top players leaving to go down under

 

I also think there are problems within the amateur game as well, when teams turn up with bearly enough players and that happens in the national leagues

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The problem is simple.

 

Rugby league is a winter game not a summer game. Revert back to playing in the months September to May as before.

 

Summer rugby has slowly destroyed the pro game now the amateur game is going the same way.

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Absolutely agree Harry. Far too many distractions at this time of year. It seems to me that what was said in last nights Chron proved the point you make that summer rugby is now eating into the amateur game and when that folds there will be no players coming through the ranks, so we will end up watching overseas players and very little home grown talent.

I think the game is dying and have said so for a long time, and it really makes me sad, but even more it makes me mad that the people who run the game just will not listen to any advice, and when they finally do listen, if ever, it will be too late. But then will they have lined their own pockets quite nicely thank you and won't give a monkeys that we, the real rugby league people, have lost our once great sport.

You know, what would be really good would be if the RL commissioned a survey among fans at matches and online where possible to see what we want and then to act on the results. but of course that won't happen either.

The problem is simple.

 

Rugby league is a winter game not a summer game. Revert back to playing in the months September to May as before.

 

Summer rugby has slowly destroyed the pro game now the amateur game is going the same way.

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I agree that the switch to summer has been detrimental as far as I am concerned.  I have many other options from holidays to training for my own sport.  Not quite sure that a survey would be too helpful though as I am sure most fans of the current SL clubs are way too insular to think about the wider good of the game and they outnumber us many times over.

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