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12/07/13 - (CCQF) Sheffield Eagles v London Broncos - KO 8pm (Sky Sports)

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Sheffield Eagles by 13 points or more
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    • Sheffield Eagles by 7 to 12 points
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    • Sheffield Eagles by 1 to 6 points
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    • London Broncos by 1 to 6 points
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    • London Broncos by 7 to 12 points
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    • London Broncos by 13 points or more
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Last time London got to the final the crowd was 73,242. This was somewhat more than half of the stadium and only about 4000 off the norm for the decade preceeding (bar Sheffield Wigan which was 13,000 lower). For instance Saints v. Wigan in 1991 got 75,532.

 

Why should it be any different now?

 

For a number of reasons.

 

That was the last ever final at the old Wembley and London were a more competitive club than they are now with fewer years of failure behind them. From memory they brought around 9,000, I can't imagine them bringing anything like this now. It was also Leeds best attempt to break a long Challenge Cup drought, which they ended up doing.

 

Then you have the current state of the Challenge Cup. Last year's final was between two of the clubs with the largest followings and they managed 79,180. Many suspect that this figure includes Club Wembley as well. Say London ended up with Warrington, then you are relying on them to bring a huge following and I think the prospect of facing London would actually see a reduction in the number from Warrington. It would be a similar situation to Wigan-Sheffield, apathy from one set of fans mixed with a small number from the other. God forbid if it was London vs Huddersfield.

 

I can't imagine that the neutrals would make up the difference. If London make the final they will have to beat a top club (or Widnes) but despite this, as a contest London vs Wire/Hudds/Hull/Wigan will not be an attractive proposition in my opinion. It doesn't have the history or the chance aspect that it had in 1999. It just looks like a probably 40 point victory for one of the sides.

 

As I said earlier, I won't begrudge them making it and will want them to win if they do (unless vs Widnes of course) but I'd rather see Wigan vs Wire/Hull at a sold out Wembley any day of the week.

 

In response to Lobby, I'd love to see a smaller club make the final. I think if Hull KR, Widnes, Cas or Wakey made the final it would add something as the novelty would result in thousands travelling. However, London are a club in crisis and I don't think they would add this colour or novelty.

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Just remind me who knocked Cas out last season and gave Wigan an almighty fright?

and remind us all who knocked featherstone out of the cup this season......................super leagues bottom club by any chance??

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and remind us all who knocked featherstone out of the cup this season......................super leagues bottom club by any chance??

And your point is?

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Personally, I think without Seward London would have lost. He was the difference.

 

I think the occasion got to Sheffield. Too much dropped ball.

And if fev hadn't lost such an important player as Kyle Briggs in the opening minutes of the game them maybe London wouldn't have even reached the quarter final. With ten minutes to go it was anybody's game and London just managed to get away with a result.

However, as Tony Rea said last night, he was never concerned at being drawn at Sheffield as 'SL sides are so superior to such teams' Obviously he couldn't remember as far back as last season and also it didn't stop him trying to get Rovers to loan him Will Sharp for the game.

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And your point is?

 

Judging whole teams and divisions on one cup match is a ludicrous thing to do.

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However, as Tony Rea said last night, he was never concerned at being drawn at Sheffield as 'SL sides are so superior to such teams' Obviously he couldn't remember as far back as last season and also it didn't stop him trying to get Rovers to loan him Will Sharp for the game.

 

No professional team should lose to a part-time team in any sport - that's why it's an upset when it happens.

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That was the last ever final at the old Wembley and London were a more competitive club than they are now with fewer years of failure behind them. From memory they brought around 9,000, I can't imagine them bringing anything like this now. It was also Leeds best attempt to break a long Challenge Cup drought, which they ended up doing.

 

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I'm not so sure.  When I went down to the 2011 Four Nations game at Wembley I heard loads - and I mean loads - of southern English accents.  Rugby league is better known in the south now compared to then (even though it is hardly known of at all when compared to, say, St Helens) and I think if the final was promoted well that because it is an event, as the Four Nations match was, there could be a pretty good turnout by southern folk even if they have never watched a Broncos match live before.

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I'm surprised that you think RL is better known in the south now than before. The big crowds at Wembley always including large numbers of southerners and RL was watched by more on terrestrial TV that it is now.

 

The Broncos themselves have less fans now than they did then. Crowds had been dropping for a couple of years from a peak in 1996 but they at least had a larger number of people that had regularly been to games in the recent past. Just 2 years earlier, they'd sold out the Stoop (9,800) for a game against the Brisbane Broncos.

 

Compare them to now, they have had a low level of support for over a decade and currently it is the lowest ever. Their biggest crowd this year is just 3,500 and that will have included a huge element from Wigan. Most of their crowds are now under 2,000. You're going back to 2010 for their last crowd over 5,000 against against teams with large travelling support.

 

I can't see where the thousands are going to come from this time.

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i can't believe the anti broncos garbage being spouted by some on this thread, they are a good club who are constantly battling adversity and are fighting an uphill battle in the capitol. i want broncos to lose two games in a season (against widnes), the rest of the time i want them to win and perform well, alongside crusaders they are my favourite other team apart from the mighty chemics. they should be applauded for their continuing survival against all the odds......not crucified for being in super league.

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i can't believe the anti broncos garbage being spouted by some on this thread, they are a good club who are constantly battling adversity and are fighting an uphill battle in the capitol. i want broncos to lose two games in a season (against widnes), the rest of the time i want them to win and perform well, alongside crusaders they are my favourite other team apart from the mighty chemics. they should be applauded for their continuing survival against all the odds......not crucified for being in super league.

 

Why is it anti-Broncos to want our showpiece final to be a showpiece? I want them to do well but you can't get away from the reality that a final involving them would likely result in a damp squib of a final.

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And if fev hadn't lost such an important player as Kyle Briggs in the opening minutes of the game them maybe London wouldn't have even reached the quarter final. With ten minutes to go it was anybody's game and London just managed to get away with a result.

However, as Tony Rea said last night, he was never concerned at being drawn at Sheffield as 'SL sides are so superior to such teams' Obviously he couldn't remember as far back as last season and also it didn't stop him trying to get Rovers to loan him Will Sharp for the game.

Terry, face facts. The Championship sides have won one game out of dozens over the last few years. Fev's win wasn't the norm.

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Terry, face facts. The Championship sides have won one game out of dozens over the last few years. Fev's win wasn't the norm.

 

If you watched the game on Friday you'd see a clear difference between Sheffield and London and it wasn't just Soward. Sheffield could have won the game if they hadn't made so many mistakes but London were bullying them in the forwards, there was a clear difference in size.

 

As Widnes last year showed there is a clear difference between competing in a one-off game and backing it up two or three weeks in a row. I suspect if Sheffield were playing say Salford away next week, there would be a much bigger beating.

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If you watched the game on Friday you'd see a clear difference between Sheffield and London and it wasn't just Soward. Sheffield could have won the game if they hadn't made so many mistakes but London were bullying them in the forwards, there was a clear difference in size.

 

As Widnes last year showed there is a clear difference between competing in a one-off game and backing it up two or three weeks in a row. I suspect if Sheffield were playing say Salford away next week, there would be a much bigger beating.

Yep, I'm thinking there'd be a lot of Cudvewonbutdidnts.

Which is why your three eights won't work..........

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I'm surprised that you think RL is better known in the south now than before. The big crowds at Wembley always including large numbers of southerners and RL was watched by more on terrestrial TV that it is now..

Really?  Well in the years I went there to watch Saints win the Challenge Cup I hardly heard any southern English accents. 

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Yep, I'm thinking there'd be a lot of Cudvewonbutdidnts.

Which is why your three eights won't work..........

3 x 8 would not be good to watch after the split. Too one sided in a high proportion of games

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Really?  Well in the years I went there to watch Saints win the Challenge Cup I hardly heard any southern English accents. 

That was my experience too - and the 2011 double header really did stand out for the lack of club shirts and the number of southern accents on display.

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3 x 8 would not be good to watch after the split. Too one sided in a high proportion of games

I've only been saying so since it was suggested ...........

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at the 2011 double header i was with my wife, son and grandson, all wearing our england shirts, and we were sat with quite a few southern fans including some broncos fans we have made friends with over the years,

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It's not about the match anymore, this thread, is it?

 

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