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The game in this country is currently run by people who have no vision, flair or commercial savvy whatsoever, these are the same people who voted in the Stobart lorry deal, which involved no monies to SL clubs. At the top of the tree sits Nigel Wood, a man who whilst CEO at Halifax proposed a concept where a team could win league table points for each half of a game, luckily that was laughed out of town, unfortunately we weren't as lucky this time.

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Whether you are for or against p and r, everyone should acknowledge the main flaw in the proposals is that it doesnt address the main issues currently faced at SL level, that being lack of sponsorship and investment, someone show me the connection of how this poxy idea will bring monies into the game, if anything it pushes away investment.

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So Toulouse will get in at the expense of traditional clubs like fev,halifax, sheff etc.

Just to be clear, Sheffield (formed 1984) are "traditional" and Toulouse (formed 1937) are not?

Makes me laugh that Toulouse think there going to get thousands of fans at every home game just because Catalan played a game there and they got 14,000 fans or whatever the number was. Was proved a couple of years ago that that was not the case in the championship.

Does it make you laugh that people think Featherstone could attract a several thousands just because they got over 4,000 for cup game against Cas and Wigan a couple of years ago? Do their Championship attendances also prove that not the case?

Is it really that hard for you to believe that teams, including Toulouse and Featherstone, would attract larger attendances in a higher division or league than a lower one?

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Just to be clear, Sheffield (formed 1984) are "traditional" and Toulouse (formed 1937) are not?

 

I'm not sure why he called Sheff "traditional" but he didn't say that Toulouse weren't traditional - he said that they would get in at the expense of named traditional clubs.

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Whether you are for or against p and r, everyone should acknowledge the main flaw in the proposals is that it doesnt address the main issues currently faced at SL level, that being lack of sponsorship and investment, someone show me the connection of how this poxy idea will bring monies into the game, if anything it pushes away investment.

It doesn't but it does, at least, increase the ability of full-time teams to avoid bankruptcy.

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It doesn't but it does, at least, increase the ability of full-time teams to avoid bankruptcy.

No, it just shows how small minded some people within the game are.

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CC1 has been in my opinion a great success this year. Hemel, Gloucester and Oxford have been able to compete at a realistic level from the beginning. It appears no consideration has been given to this league by the other professional clubs, who are now going to unbalance it by using it as the dumping ground for the five clubs unable to be part of the new world order.

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Whether you are for or against p and r, everyone should acknowledge the main flaw in the proposals is that it doesnt address the main issues currently faced at SL level, that being lack of sponsorship and investment, someone show me the connection of how this poxy idea will bring monies into the game, if anything it pushes away investment.

cant see why it should push away investment, any loss of possible investors in the sides under threat should be more than outweighed by new investors in teams possibly on the up - and after all a side that could be under danger (salford) didnt prevent them getting Koukash involved

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A few melodramatic responses here.

Can anybody genuinely say moving from 12 to 14 has been a success? Personally ive seen next to no benefits from having 14 sl teams.

All they have decided is to cull 2 teams - good decision imho.

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Clearly the game had to do something! Whilst SL has attracted new supporters, it has alienated just as many. With regards to P&R, at least it will generate less meaningful fixtures (and in a 14 team league there are plenty of them). Like it or loathe it, the thought that an Oxford, North Wales or Sheffield could make it into the 'big league' is what hopes, dreams and aspirations are all about.

And thats were SL lost its way....not enough stories. dont be surprised if the top flight now finds a major sponsor.

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Whether you are for or against p and r, everyone should acknowledge the main flaw in the proposals is that it doesnt address the main issues currently faced at SL level, that being lack of sponsorship and investment, someone show me the connection of how this poxy idea will bring monies into the game, if anything it pushes away investment.

A more exciting league structure could intice sponsors to part with their money. The current format isn't working for sponsors as we haven't had a decent offer for the title sponsor since the last engage deal.

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A few melodramatic responses here.

Can anybody genuinely say moving from 12 to 14 has been a success? Personally ive seen next to no benefits from having 14 sl teams.

All they have decided is to cull 2 teams - good decision imho.

I don't think there's anything melodramatic about it mate. It's not merely cutting cloth to suit.

To me its pretty much admitting that RL will never amount to much beyond a few small towns. If that's the reality of the situation, then so be it. But it doesn't stop it from being depressing and sad imo.

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

The SL clubs chose this..

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The SL clubs chose this..

Because they weren't given an option that didn't involve P&R

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If there aren't enough players of the required standard to staff fourteen teams then whose fault is that?

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

If they fancy a bit of kick and clap because there's a few more quid in it for them, good luck to them. Not for me I'm afraid, it's like watching paint dry!

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If they fancy a bit of kick and clap because there's a few more quid in it for them, good luck to them. Not for me I'm afraid, it's like watching paint dry!

 

If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

It's the stupidest, most ridiculous over the top post I've ever read on this board.

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If there aren't enough players of the required standard to staff fourteen teams then whose fault is that?

But is this true or just an excuse? I think it is the latter.

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A few melodramatic responses here.

Can anybody genuinely say moving from 12 to 14 has been a success? Personally ive seen next to no benefits from having 14 sl teams.

All they have decided is to cull 2 teams - good decision imho.

This - spot on

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Where do Catalan go if they get relegated? 

 

The issues that Toulouse faced shows it can't be the CC, so would we replace them from Elite One?

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Been away from this forum and things are going from bad to worse. My tuppence h'apenny worth:

 

First the Broncos situation has been coming for some time, I suspect as with CKN's post that this decision is simply the last nail in the coffin lid.

 

Secondly, I would remind those "Big Club" fans  celebrating the 12 team league particularily from Warrington and Saints that as any Bradford fan can tell you you do remain at the top forever and at least one of your clubs is more financially challenged than people realise.

 

Thirdly, posting as an ex-TU Steward (So was Norman Tebbit i might add so suspend your disbelief ) I am truly amazed that Jonh Wilkin could be so sanguine in accepting job losses from his members in the two soon to be relegated clubs leaving Super League. Players dropping from full time contracts to part-time - assuming their club survives the drop - will suffer a severe hit to their familes living standards. Not all will find a contract elsewhere. 1eague3 is exposed now as a staff association with a leadership that apparently acts in favour of the haves rather than the have nots. Players would have been better off with the GMB.

 

Fourth point , Toulouse will now not get into Super League. Expansion of the game is indeed dead as organic growth has never and will never work. The money will not be there for who invests in a game played in a few small towns on the M62.

French rugby league will suffer arrested development and Catalans long term future must be in doubt with Wood confirming that the club wil go down to the championship if in a relegation spot. The game appears to have decided that the development of French rugby league as a viable competitor in the Northern Hemisphere is not a strategic priority.

 

Fifth point, Investors will not be attracted to a regional sport thaty is not even Northern in coverage. though I suppose yesterdays decision brings the Payday Loans Super League one stage closer.

 

Sixth point.the remaining 12 clubs will raise the salary cap, partly funded by dividing 14 shares into 12. This will permanently damn Championship clubs to a yo-yo existence and in some cases bankrupcy. Yesterday's decision does not reduce the funding gap between the two leagues but will extend it. To you Flatcappers, as we say down here you will find you have been "done up like a kipper"  

 

Seventh point, As we can already see the remaining 12 "big" clubs will go waving the cheque books down under without realising that while the exchange rate between England and Australia may be temporarily in Australia's favour. The NRL by virtue of being the most popular winter code in the Eastern states and now with a truly independent commission will be able to command a TV deal that will permanently alter the balance of purchasing power in the NRL's favour regardless of how much the exchange rate fluctuates back to the UK in the future.

 

Eighth point, within 3 years Super League clubs will go cap in hand to the NRL for assistance. but what would be in it for th NRL ?. I am sure that Gus Gould will be making the point that with the best English players in the NRL already. the only future relationship between the NRL and a regional sport will be not as equals but similar to that of teams in the Queensland Cup. A feeder league where the best juniors can join an NRL side and juniors in need of game time can play Super League.

 

Ninth point, Some clubs have already opened back chanels of communication with Premiership Rugby (Union). Again as with the NRL. As Super League continues to contract what is in it for the Union clubs to associate with a decaying sport. After all "organic growth" will ensure that Juniors join Union ranks equipped with a better skill set while younger players and coaches from "traditional" clubs are already losing no time in crossing the divide. 

 

Tenth and most crucial point is that SKY do appear to be losing interest in League as a property with Monday night games moved for lower division soccer and a T20 league set for Friday nights next summer. Coupled with no World Cup coverage . I think you can look forward to games played on any day with a "y" in it from 2015 and with SKY subscfriptions already being raised to help the company build up its war chest to compete for the major sporting properties with the cashed up BT (i.e. exclusive rights to the major national sports in the UK) it is now known that many other sports will have a reduced deal to compensate. Of course the regional league could go to Premier Sports but that would mean a subscription channel offering no more than a reduced SKY deal with a lower subscriber base. That is of course if Premier Sports are around in 2015. The next SKY offer will be lower and on a take it or leave it basis.

 

As for the recession having been to plenty of sold out T20 games recently and noting this was achieved for the Roses Derby in the North all I will say is that other sports must be "recession proof" and this is a lame excuse for low crowds

 

I was one of the first to post that the game was turning into a feeder league for the NRL and RFU a few years ago. It would appear that by its own hand the game appears resolutely determined to go down the gurgler and things are speeding up. Its a shame but the games problems are entrely self-inflicted.and the result of clubs acting in their own interest without thinking that a strategic investment in the games future would benefit all.

 

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