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Wakefield Surviving!

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From the outside it seems like Glover has enough money to get involved and keep the club going, but only just. All of their hopes must be pinned on the new stadium.

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I really hope they can make the playoffs and gain from the extra revenue. I really like the way Wakey have been able to increase their attendances over the years (I remember them being extremely low years back). Hoping they can get the new stadium sorted too.

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I really hope they can make the playoffs and gain from the extra revenue. I really like the way Wakey have been able to increase their attendances over the years (I remember them being extremely low years back). Hoping they can get the new stadium sorted too.

me too

they seem to have made a lot of progress over the past couple of seasons

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Another SL club having financial difficulties in the licensing era without p&r

seems like the cavalry arrived just in time

 

how did your club manage dinancially during the days of PR?

 

there is no evidence that this issue has anything to do with p and r or the lack of it.

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seems like the cavalry arrived just in time

 

how did your club manage dinancially during the days of PR?

 

there is no evidence that this issue has anything to do with p and r or the lack of it.

No, there isn't L'ange, and whilst I certainly don't agree with much of what Lobby says, what we have seen during the last couple of days is people on the other side of the argument now being just as melodramatic.

 

People are now saying that the return of P&R will drive clubs to die, the game even to die, yet when things go wrong under licensing there was complete denial and people said that's not what Licensing was for.

 

People have lambasted Lobby for over-stating the importance of P&R, yet we are seeing some of these people behaving hysterically now.

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Another SL club having financial difficulties in the licensing era without p&r

Wakefield have had financial strife during the licensing period AND the promotion/relegation era. So your point is simply irrelevant.

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seems like the cavalry arrived just in time

 

how did your club manage dinancially during the days of PR?

 

there is no evidence that this issue has anything to do with p and r or the lack of it.

Whilst it is true that there was as much if not more financially instability under P & R, licencing hasn't stabilised things as much as was hoped.

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No, there isn't L'ange, and whilst I certainly don't agree with much of what Lobby says, what we have seen during the last couple of days is people on the other side of the argument now being just as melodramatic.

 

People are now saying that the return of P&R will drive clubs to die, the game even to die, yet when things go wrong under licensing there was complete denial and people said that's not what Licensing was for.

 

People have lambasted Lobby for over-stating the importance of P&R, yet we are seeing some of these people behaving hysterically now.

I don't think so Dave

it's a hot, major story and people are discussing it

 

it hardly compares with what has been going down over the last couple of decades: would you like a list?

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Whilst it is true that there was as much if not more financially instability under P & R, licencing hasn't stabilised things as much as was hoped.

well that was inevitable

at least clubs had(?) less opportunity to go #### up, and have focused on running themselves in a more professional way...there are no guarantees.

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Another thing some people need to understand is that licensing doesnt guarantee financial stability, it cant guarantee turnover, cant guarantee that x amount of people will turn up for a game, doesnt guarantee that games wont get postponed. Nowhere in the RFL licensing guidelines does it say this, please find me a single document or statement that claims this.

Some people on here just distort facts in order to promote their own narrow minded opinions.

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I don't think so Dave

it's a hot, major story and people are discussing it

 

it hardly compares with what has been going down over the last couple of decades: would you like a list?

The level of hysteria is just as bad, I don't want to get embroiled in your disputes with a band of supporters.

 

I can't be bothered to go through to quote them, but predictions the game will die, and that this was the worst decision in the history of the game, are quite simply, laughable!

 

BTW, I'm aware they are not your views, one of your recent posts was very well put (the game won't die, you won't boycott etc) - but some of the hysteria has been way ott.

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Another thing some people need to understand is that licensing doesnt guarantee financial stability, it cant guarantee turnover, cant guarantee that x amount of people will turn up for a game, doesnt guarantee that games wont get postponed. Nowhere in the RFL licensing guidelines does it say this, please find me a single document or statement that claims this.

Some people on here just distort facts in order to promote their own narrow minded opinions.

No, quite simply there are no guarantees of anything, but funnily enough some are now guaranteeing this will kill the game off!

 

I try and keep my views more moderate and balanced, just because my favourite option doesn't get picked doesn't mean that the decision made is wrong - tbh, I find the scores of people who are stating that are acting pretty arrogantly.

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The level of hysteria is just as bad, I don't want to get embroiled in your disputes with a band of supporters.

 

I can't be bothered to go through to quote them, but predictions the game will die, and that this was the worst decision in the history of the game, are quite simply, laughable!

 

BTW, I'm aware they are not your views, one of your recent posts was very well put (the game won't die, you won't boycott etc) - but some of the hysteria has been way ott.

 

No, quite simply there are no guarantees of anything, but funnily enough some are now guaranteeing this will kill the game off!

 

I try and keep my views more moderate and balanced, just because my favourite option doesn't get picked doesn't mean that the decision made is wrong - tbh, I find the scores of people who are stating that are acting pretty arrogantly.

I think that will settle down

there were and are bound to be views expressed forcibly.

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The business model at Wakefield is a very good one but it's hard to to absorb a £300K sponsor going bust out of the blue, the fact that it hasn't sent the club out of business speaks volumes for how far they've come.

Belle Vue is indeed a millstone around their neck but last weeks news on Newmarket means they can look forward to a new stadium in the next 2 or 3 years.

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Any club losing a sponsor and that amount of cash flow would be wincing no matter what

It is however another example of the preset problems in RL being more to do with the wider economic situation

Mind, I do find it a touch ironic that an RL club has problems because someone else went bust

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 Mind, I do find it a touch ironic that an RL club has problems because someone else went bust

that's because there's no promotion and relegation in that line of business ;)

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The business model at Wakefield is a very good one but it's hard to to absorb a £300K sponsor going bust out of the blue, the fact that it hasn't sent the club out of business speaks volumes for how far they've come.

Belle Vue is indeed a millstone around their neck but last weeks news on Newmarket means they can look forward to a new stadium in the next 2 or 3 years.

 

The France family have serious form for going bust and leaving big debts in their wake.

 

Whilst I agree that losing that level of sponsorship is a hammer blow to a club (they also left Dewsbury with a big financial black hole too), perhaps given their previous form, a little more caution from the club's finance / credit control department might have been appropriate.

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The business model at Wakefield is a very good one but it's hard to to absorb a £300K sponsor going bust out of the blue, the fact that it hasn't sent the club out of business speaks volumes for how far they've come.

Belle Vue is indeed a millstone around their neck but last weeks news on Newmarket means they can look forward to a new stadium in the next 2 or 3 years.

I'm not a Wakefield fan but I hope their move out of town doesn't have the same crowd consequences that have affected Salford. There's a considerable walk up at Belle Vue as there was at the Willows. A bit pessimistic I know but worth bearing in mind

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What licensing does relative to annual pnr is make investment in the club a more attractive option as there is some medium term visibility on core income and for alower half team to be able to develop a team rather than panic buys. The central problem in SL is not enough grosss income in the game that has been intensified by the recession.no easy answers and a fan base that can't seem to unite on any structure doesn't make things easier.

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I'm not a Wakefield fan but I hope their move out of town doesn't have the same crowd consequences that have affected Salford. There's a considerable walk up at Belle Vue as there was at the Willows. A bit pessimistic I know but worth bearing in mind

 

The Salford move was an absolute shambles, I'd be very surprised if Wakey make the same mistakes. I'd agree with an earlier post that I think Glover has just enough money.That's fine, because I think clubs can be profitable, and I'd rather Wakey were ran as a business, rather than as a plaything of some bloke with a bit of money, only to go belly up, when he gets fed up, runs out of money or dies.

 

Wakefield have done well since Glover came on board. The move to the new stadium is the next big opportunity to move on again.

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