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Is it really all my fault?

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You asked me to expand my comments, and I did so. Reluctantly, because they are one view amongst thousands, and have very little value, derived from the heart, carelessly thought out, and probably inconsistent. And you are right, I most certainly have nothing radical to offer. All I really did was claim that if there are problems in the sport, I don't see how it is my fault, and mused on whose fault it is. Rather pathetic, really, looking back.

 

I have to say, I am disappointed with the quality of responses from some, who have taken the trouble to read my posts, who clearly have a passion for the sport, and, in many cases, a deep knowledge, and yet involved themselves in a discussion without convincingly developing their own viewpoint, resorting instead to short, disparaging, dismissive attacks. And the predominant response seems to be from Super League supporters who must believe that the sport has reached its apex, because they want nothing to change. They may, of course, be right.

 

I would actually be interested in someone describing a potentially successful pathway for the progress in the sport for the next few years. Not a dream or a hope, but a set of minor adjustments with a realistic chance of positioning the sport in the place we all believe it deserves.

 

to say there are problems in the sport is stating the obvious. There have always been problems in ths spott and always will be. I fail to see how you have been blamed for them

 

Has it occurred to you that your own posts might be substandard. As for developing 'their' own viewpoint isn't that exactly what you are doing...and why not.

 

I have seen no evidence whatsoever, and maybe you can provide it that 'super league supporters' believe that the sp[ort has reacged its 'apex' far from it. In fact I defy you to identify a 'super league supporter', let alone one who thinks rugby league has reached its apex-that's a truly risible thought.

 

you expect others to come up with solutions, but are unwilling to consider coming up with any yourself.

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you expect others to come up with solutions, but are unwilling to consider coming up with any yourself.

pot, kettle black

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pot, kettle black

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I thought and still think that licensing was the way forward

 

I think there is a strong argument for p and r as well as it happens. On a personal level I would love rugby league to be able to progress with this format, but history has shown that this isn't possible and the format was discredited over a period of 22 years.

 

One of the things that has disenchanted me is the way the argument in favour of reinstating p and r has been put forward;

 

a lack of credible  evidence

 

constant whingeing about morality, unfairness, justice(the lastthree showing remarkable levels of hypocrisy as well as being untrue), being left to rot, being victimised: when what we have actually had is people charged with the job of making sense of the rubbish hand that rugby league has been dealt with including reactionary small mindedness from within as they saw fit. In changing policy the way they have done, the governing body have done just the same and I respect that. I don't think it's the way forward for a sport wanting to grow, present a progressive face to the world and strengthen itself so that uktimately we will have competitions that can sustain mobility between them because all the conditions to make it work are in place-economically, geographically and demoghraphically. I think in the medium to long term that this wont happen. This disappoints me greatly, but I can appreciate that the governing body have acted in good faith and wont be constantly vilifying them for decades to come.

 

I hope what has been put in place works, -I dont want it to fail some self serving notion of it fitting with my own ideas or that it would suit any given club, but because I want the sport to succeed. I think it deserves to succeed despite the debilitating culture of parochial self interest that exists within it.

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Of course it's not.....

Apart from the odd exception, the thing we all have in common is the love of our game.

The solutions to the challenges we face are complex but also achievable. For me they are:

1. The international scene. It lacks a clear structure. All other major sports have fixed competitions that even members of the public with a passing interest get hooked into because it becomes part if the social calendar eg the six nations & lions tours. I love the game but would struggle to explain what RL international fixtures look like over the next 4 years. The media will never latch on to it properly when it's like that.

2. Cup competitions.. The Challenge cup is world famous but it does not fit in our season now & upsets the flow of SL. 12 teams might help but it needs a fix. Start the season with it?

3. The SKY paradox. It's where we get most of our exposure but recently I cringe at Eddie & Stevo's constant insecure efforts of talking up the game. They both clearly love the game but guys just commentate on what's happening. I think Ray Warren is a fantastic commentator - he doesn't make a big deal out of the negatives in the game. References to "the merry flag waver" are outdated & embarrassing. Time for a change.

4. "Why are they all Australian?" Sometimes my daughter watches a game on SKY with me as do my southern mates. At some point they have all asked me this. Their impression of our game, created mainly by interviews pre & post match, is that 75% of players & coaches are not from our shores. They struggle to identify with this. The reality is changing but a long way to go.

5. Promotion & relegation. It gets the emotions flowing but every other sport in the UK has it. Again, the media & public understand it, identify with it & like it. Underpin it with transparent criteria. Use off a play off system with the bottom of SL & top 3 of championship would work. The clubs at the grass roots have to have a way up.

6. Marketing by the clubs. My clubs website is perfunctory. It lacks so much. Things like this have to work harder. Kids in for a fiver has to be seen has an investment & publicised efficiently.

I could go on. It's the greatest game on earth. The senior figures at the clubs and the heads of the game have to handle it and nurture it correctly.

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Of course it's not.....

Apart from the odd exception, the thing we all have in common is the love of our game.

The solutions to the challenges we face are complex but also achievable. For me they are:

1. The international scene. It lacks a clear structure. All other major sports have fixed competitions that even members of the public with a passing interest get hooked into because it becomes part if the social calendar eg the six nations & lions tours. I love the game but would struggle to explain what RL international fixtures look like over the next 4 years. The media will never latch on to it properly when it's like that.

2. Cup competitions.. The Challenge cup is world famous but it does not fit in our season now & upsets the flow of SL. 12 teams might help but it needs a fix. Start the season with it?

3. The SKY paradox. It's where we get most of our exposure but recently I cringe at Eddie & Stevo's constant insecure efforts of talking up the game. They both clearly love the game but guys just commentate on what's happening. I think Ray Warren is a fantastic commentator - he doesn't make a big deal out of the negatives in the game. References to "the merry flag waver" are outdated & embarrassing. Time for a change.

4. "Why are they all Australian?" Sometimes my daughter watches a game on SKY with me as do my southern mates. At some point they have all asked me this. Their impression of our game, created mainly by interviews pre & post match, is that 75% of players & coaches are not from our shores. They struggle to identify with this. The reality is changing but a long way to go.

5. Promotion & relegation. It gets the emotions flowing but every other sport in the UK has it. Again, the media & public understand it, identify with it & like it. Underpin it with transparent criteria. Use off a play off system with the bottom of SL & top 3 of championship would work. The clubs at the grass roots have to have a way up.

6. Marketing by the clubs. My clubs website is perfunctory. It lacks so much. Things like this have to work harder. Kids in for a fiver has to be seen has an investment & publicised efficiently.

I could go on. It's the greatest game on earth. The senior figures at the clubs and the heads of the game have to handle it and nurture it correctly.

 

1. We cannot solve the international problem alone, the RFL are trying their best to drive a European international dimension but we need Australia to see the benefits of International competition and take it seriously for any movement forward. We are however developing a regular four nations and World Cup. Watch this space.

 

2. Starting the season with the challenge cup is a none starter, teams gear players up for the start of the season, get knocked out in the first round and then sit on their backsides for 2 months. Forget that one.

 

3. Agree.

 

4. I have never heard anyone make such a comment when I have been talking to anyone from anywhere in this country. I haven't even heard anyone say that all soccer players are foreigners and they have a lot more over seas players than us.

 

5. Every other sport in the UK doesn't have P&R and those that have do what we do and have a standards based P&R (including ground standards) this notion that you can waltz through the football league all the way to the premiership by just winning three leagues is a nonsesnse. We also have a problem a lot of other sports don't have in that we have one professional league and below it we have semi-pro, the leap up is enormous, almost insurmountable without assistance, i.e a guaranteed place for three years.

 

5. Agree

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Of course it's not.....

Apart from the odd exception, the thing we all have in common is the love of our game.

The solutions to the challenges we face are complex but also achievable. For me they are:

1. The international scene. It lacks a clear structure. All other major sports have fixed competitions that even members of the public with a passing interest get hooked into because it becomes part if the social calendar eg the six nations & lions tours. I love the game but would struggle to explain what RL international fixtures look like over the next 4 years. The media will never latch on to it properly when it's like that.

2. Cup competitions.. The Challenge cup is world famous but it does not fit in our season now & upsets the flow of SL. 12 teams might help but it needs a fix. Start the season with it?

3. The SKY paradox. It's where we get most of our exposure but recently I cringe at Eddie & Stevo's constant insecure efforts of talking up the game. They both clearly love the game but guys just commentate on what's happening. I think Ray Warren is a fantastic commentator - he doesn't make a big deal out of the negatives in the game. References to "the merry flag waver" are outdated & embarrassing. Time for a change.

4. "Why are they all Australian?" Sometimes my daughter watches a game on SKY with me as do my southern mates. At some point they have all asked me this. Their impression of our game, created mainly by interviews pre & post match, is that 75% of players & coaches are not from our shores. They struggle to identify with this. The reality is changing but a long way to go.

5. Promotion & relegation. It gets the emotions flowing but every other sport in the UK has it. Again, the media & public understand it, identify with it & like it. Underpin it with transparent criteria. Use off a play off system with the bottom of SL & top 3 of championship would work. The clubs at the grass roots have to have a way up.

6. Marketing by the clubs. My clubs website is perfunctory. It lacks so much. Things like this have to work harder. Kids in for a fiver has to be seen has an investment & publicised efficiently.

I could go on. It's the greatest game on earth. The senior figures at the clubs and the heads of the game have to handle it and nurture it correctly.

You make some excellent points some of which I agree with

But personally I don't 'love' the game and I never have

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to say there are problems in the sport is stating the obvious. There have always been problems in ths spott and always will be. I fail to see how you have been blamed for them

 

Has it occurred to you that your own posts might be substandard. As for developing 'their' own viewpoint isn't that exactly what you are doing...and why not.

 

I have seen no evidence whatsoever, and maybe you can provide it that 'super league supporters' believe that the sp[ort has reacged its 'apex' far from it. In fact I defy you to identify a 'super league supporter', let alone one who thinks rugby league has reached its apex-that's a truly risible thought.

 

you expect others to come up with solutions, but are unwilling to consider coming up with any yourself.

Goodness me.

 

Thank you for the input.

 

I still stick by my original post. No matter how entrenched our views, how substandard our comments, how cowardly our lack of reasoned response, how far from a Socratic ideal our arguments fall, if there are problems in the sport, the teams and their supporters from the lower leagues have had less impact on the situation than some would suggest.

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Goodness me.

 

Thank you for the input.

 

I still stick by my original post. No matter how entrenched our views, how substandard our comments, how cowardly our lack of reasoned response, how far from a Socratic ideal our arguments fall, if there are problems in the sport, the teams and their supporters from the lower leagues have had less impact on the situation than some would suggest.

 

the teams and their supporters from the lower leagues have had less impact on the situation than some would suggest.

 

some? Who?

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Goodness me.

Thank you for the input.

I still stick by my original post. No matter how entrenched our views, how substandard our comments, how cowardly our lack of reasoned response, how far from a Socratic ideal our arguments fall, if there are problems in the sport, the teams and their supporters from the lower leagues have had less impact on the situation than some would suggest.

I have no idea what impact the people you mention have had

But self interested parochialism has for whatever got what it wants

I'm a purstonian too

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