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Where do France go if Toulouse don't get in sl

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Featherstone population 15k, Leigh population 43k, Toulouse population 440k. HTH

 

I think you made my point. They have this large population as does for example, Sheffield, and they still don't have bigger attendances than leigh, Fev etc. Are you therefore so certain  that they are a strong RL heartland area and therefore certain to be a huge success if in SL?

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Featherstone population 15k, Leigh population 43k, Toulouse population 440k. HTH

 

I think you made my point. They have this large population as does for example, Sheffield, and they still don't have bigger attendances than leigh, Fev etc. Are you therefore so certain  that they are a strong RL heartland area and therefore certain to be a huge success if in SL?

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I think you made my point. They have this large population as does for example, Sheffield, and they still don't have bigger attendances than leigh, Fev etc. Are you therefore so certain  that they are a strong RL heartland area and therefore certain to be a huge success if in SL?

 

Toulouse have never had a top flight full-time professional RL club! All Toulouse's data is from being a part-time club in a second tier competition. Featherstone, Leigh and Sheffield all have had chances in the big time. None of those clubs have averaged over 5k on any regular basis. It will be a real struggle for any of those to do that in the future.

 

This is not to say they could or should get a chance to play SL.

 

You could have made exactly the same comments about XIII Catalan/St Esteve (10 years ago) who were getting around 500-1000 playing semi-professional in Elite 1. They also got whacked by Wigan by 80 points in the Challenge cup in 2003-2004-ish. Now they are one of the 6-8 biggest RL clubs in the Northern Hemisphere and regularly average 8,000-10,000. This is from a population of 120,000.

 

Toulouse have 4x the population of Perpignan and 10x the population of Leigh. Unlike Sheffield, RL has been played there for 75 years. It would be madness not to tap into this potential. It was no surprise that 10-15k turned up for a 'big-time' RL game there last month. This could be a reality every other week in around 5 years.

 

Toulouse is the only club with the potential to become the next Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, St Helens etc. We have plenty of candidates to become the next Salford, Castleford, Wakefield. In effect we are talking about two different markets.

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I don't see the problem in guaranteeing French teams no relegation. It's for the good of the game, I'm not really interested in the philosophy of it has to be equal for everyone, my philosophy is for the good of the game.

Club bosses and fans are important but not more important than the game expanding.

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Toulouse have never had a top flight full-time professional RL club! All Toulouse's data is from being a part-time club in a second tier competition. Featherstone, Leigh and Sheffield all have had chances in the big time. None of those clubs have averaged over 5k on any regular basis. It will be a real struggle for any of those to do that in the future.

This is not to say they could or should get a chance to play SL.

You could have made exactly the same comments about XIII Catalan/St Esteve (10 years ago) who were getting around 500-1000 playing semi-professional in Elite 1. They also got whacked by Wigan by 80 points in the Challenge cup in 2003-2004-ish. Now they are one of the 6-8 biggest RL clubs in the Northern Hemisphere and regularly average 8,000-10,000. This is from a population of 120,000.

Toulouse have 4x the population of Perpignan and 10x the population of Leigh. Unlike Sheffield, RL has been played there for 75 years. It would be madness not to tap into this potential. It was no surprise that 10-15k turned up for a 'big-time' RL game there last month. This could be a reality every other week in around 5 years.

Toulouse is the only club with the potential to become the next Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, St Helens etc. We have plenty of candidates to become the next Salford, Castleford, Wakefield. In effect we are talking about two different markets.

Lets not forget the wider metropolitan area of Toulouse has a population of well over a million, and thats not including the support it would get from the Midi Pyrenees as a whole and the Tarn. Yeah just a tad different from fev, leigh and sheffield.

By the way how would fev and leigh cope financially and attendance wise if they had to play in the french league, or worse still the 2nd string french league?

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If we want to have a vibrant French RL we should give Toulouse all the support it needs to be successful in Super League.

If we're comfortable with allowing French RL to die a slow death we should slam the door in their faces.

It's a simple choice.

Absolutely spot on. We need to seriously grasp the nettle on this If we are serious about supporting French RL to grow. We have dithered for so long now there needs to be a clear decision, whatever might be happening or not with the rest of SL. It needs this and without a strong French game we will be relatively isolated as a sport in Europe, despite the excellent efforts of the RLEF  . Otherwise I can see only a slow decline in France over the long term with the sport never getting beyond semi-pro level. This would eventually effect the Dragons as well as media exposure would not grow. Without the media and commercial exposure that Toulouse entry would bring you would never get professional operations anywhere else. 

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Absolutely spot on. We need to seriously grasp the nettle on this If we are serious about supporting French RL to grow. We have dithered for so long now there needs to be a clear decision, whatever might be happening or not with the rest of SL. It needs this and without a strong French game we will be relatively isolated as a sport in Europe, despite the excellent efforts of the RLEF  . Otherwise I can see only a slow decline in France over the long term with the sport never getting beyond semi-pro level. This would eventually effect the Dragons as well as media exposure would not grow. Without the media and commercial exposure that Toulouse entry would bring you would never get professional operations anywhere else. 

 

Correct me if Iam wrong and i may be being relatively new to the sport, but wasnt the whole idea  of Super League Europe to expand the game

and have an international flavour to the league, if the Catalans have a bad season and go down surely that would be the end of them,

there would be little interest in them playing in the 2nd tier of english RL ,

If Toulouse can  bring some  new money into the game then being in SLE surely is a must,

retreating to an  M62 league would be a backward step,

 

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Nothing to see here, having Catalans in super league hasn't seen an improvement in the French national team...... I wish people would stop pretending, the one nation to get stronger is Wales since the ESL and they've got two in the bottom league. Toulsouse had a chance and the rest is history !!

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As a Leigh fan, I am desperate for Toulouse to be one of the twelve clubs in 2015. Also they and Cats should be exempt with a UK team being relegated. What we need to do is seek more cash from French TV once Toulouse are in and settled. Then we need to expand gradually promoting teams from the LER and the second division

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Nothing to see here, having Catalans in super league hasn't seen an improvement in the French national team...... I wish people would stop pretending, the one nation to get stronger is Wales since the ESL and they've got two in the bottom league. Toulsouse had a chance and the rest is history !!

 

yes i agree to your first point,  but one team can not create a big enough pool of international players, there  has to be competition for places and the Cats can not do it alone,

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If Toulouse are not admitted i expect the Dragons to go under within 2/3 seasons which would be a disaster.

There is no hope of there ever being a fully professional french league what we need is more french teams in SL.

CM

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Nothing to see here, having Catalans in super league hasn't seen an improvement in the French national team...... I wish people would stop pretending, the one nation to get stronger is Wales since the ESL and they've got two in the bottom league. Toulsouse had a chance and the rest is history !!

Garbage......France have improved, unfortunately so have England. But in last years home series I thought they played a lot better than they had in previous years and I noticed some improvement. Remember rugby league is a very unforgiving sport, once a team is dominant and gets a roll on the points can rack up. But France have a number of fantastic players in their ranks who could get into any team, having Toulouse would extend that depth. There is only so much depth that can be drawn from one team.

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Really don't see why everyone wants another French team in, another expensive trip for away fans to pay for and another fixture where no away fans turn up. Hardly any good for finances of clubs or supporters!!

If I had to choose between an away game at Leigh Halifax or fev as opposed to one at Toulouse it would be a no brainer

A weekend in the south of France to watch the rugby eating and drinking and carousing is one of life's pure joys

Presumably you would have the cup final played at cleckheaton for the same reason.

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Garbage......France have improved, unfortunately so have England. But in last years home series I thought they played a lot better than they had in previous years and I noticed some improvement. Remember rugby league is a very unforgiving sport, once a team is dominant and gets a roll on the points can rack up. But France have a number of fantastic players in their ranks who could get into any team, having Toulouse would extend that depth. There is only so much depth that can be drawn from one team.

Opinions, Wales have improved more, in fact they beat France to gain qualification for the 4N. But don't let facts put you off

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Opinions, Wales have improved more, in fact they beat France to gain qualification for the 4N. But don't let facts put you off

In 2011. Don't let the fact that France beat Wales quite comfortably in last year's international tournament get in the way of your argument.

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In 2011. Don't let the fact that France beat Wales quite comfortably in last year's international tournament get in the way of your argument.

So that warrants another cub in super league??

My point is they've not improved and Wales are their main rivals and not England due to recent results.

France don't deserve another spot at present in my opinion.

Last post on the matter from me.

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The Cheshire jet set has spoken.

iPad for you. Only spoke to keep you happy :P

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Toulouse have never had a top flight full-time professional RL club! All Toulouse's data is from being a part-time club in a second tier competition. Featherstone, Leigh and Sheffield all have had chances in the big time. None of those clubs have averaged over 5k on any regular basis. It will be a real struggle for any of those to do that in the future.

 

This is not to say they could or should get a chance to play SL.

 

You could have made exactly the same comments about XIII Catalan/St Esteve (10 years ago) who were getting around 500-1000 playing semi-professional in Elite 1. They also got whacked by Wigan by 80 points in the Challenge cup in 2003-2004-ish. Now they are one of the 6-8 biggest RL clubs in the Northern Hemisphere and regularly average 8,000-10,000. This is from a population of 120,000.

 

Toulouse have 4x the population of Perpignan and 10x the population of Leigh. Unlike Sheffield, RL has been played there for 75 years. It would be madness not to tap into this potential. It was no surprise that 10-15k turned up for a 'big-time' RL game there last month. This could be a reality every other week in around 5 years.

 

Toulouse is the only club with the potential to become the next Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, St Helens etc. We have plenty of candidates to become the next Salford, Castleford, Wakefield. In effect we are talking about two different markets.

 

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Toulouse have never had a top flight full-time professional RL club! All Toulouse's data is from being a part-time club in a second tier competition. Featherstone, Leigh and Sheffield all have had chances in the big time. None of those clubs have averaged over 5k on any regular basis. It will be a real struggle for any of those to do that in the future.

 

This is not to say they could or should get a chance to play SL.

 

You could have made exactly the same comments about XIII Catalan/St Esteve (10 years ago) who were getting around 500-1000 playing semi-professional in Elite 1. They also got whacked by Wigan by 80 points in the Challenge cup in 2003-2004-ish. Now they are one of the 6-8 biggest RL clubs in the Northern Hemisphere and regularly average 8,000-10,000. This is from a population of 120,000.

 

Toulouse have 4x the population of Perpignan and 10x the population of Leigh. Unlike Sheffield, RL has been played there for 75 years. It would be madness not to tap into this potential. It was no surprise that 10-15k turned up for a 'big-time' RL game there last month. This could be a reality every other week in around 5 years.

 

Toulouse is the only club with the potential to become the next Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, St Helens etc. We have plenty of candidates to become the next Salford, Castleford, Wakefield. In effect we are talking about two different markets.

 

OK. Time will tell then. Let's hope they don't become the next Bradford, bankruptcy, falling gates, poor team.They will hopefully do better than that.

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Really don't see why everyone wants another French team in, another expensive trip for away fans to pay for and another fixture where no away fans turn up. Hardly any good for finances of clubs or supporters!!

That's the spirit! If you can't see the benefits, then you're already too far gone!

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Wales really comparing them to france lets see france around 90 clubs a decent top flight comp with averages crowds of 1500 and tv coverage of final, superleague franchise cc runner made finals 5 times average crowds of 8 to 10 k. National junior teams had victory over england and aussies recently.

Wales lets see a struggling domestic ameatur comp with 10 clubs that is it. 2 teams in lower tier semi pro uk set up. a national team proped up by heritage players and ex rugby u players.

Hosting wc no doubt crowds will be filled mainly by english to make it look better for lack of interest in game there.

But yeah wales.....morgan escare best young player in superleague.....he is french.

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If the French domestic scene is so strong, why do they need more help from SL?

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