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Where do France go if Toulouse don't get in sl

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If the French domestic scene is so strong, why do they need more help from SL?

The same reason that New Zealand will eventually have another team in the NRL.  An area with a ready made fan base, and also expands the geographical footprint of the competition is a no brainer.  It gives those juniors who play in France another avenue to reach the pinnacle of their sport professionally. 

 

Edit:  Another team in New Zealand will also give the NRL leverage to get more for the TV rights from NZ next time as well.  As could the SuperLeague when looking at French TV.

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So they get their way on P&R, and now they're starting on the French involvement in 'our' league. Great. What a future!

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Where does the norhern hemisphere game go if Toulouse are not admitted?  Clearly more teams from the rhubarb triangle and fewer from elsewhere is the answer.

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So they get their way on P&R, and now they're starting on the French involvement in 'our' league. Great. What a future!

Who are 'they'?

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Who are 'they'?

The people who have spent years complaining every single day about licencing, who have boycotted RFL events, who have filled the internet with garbage victimhood, who fought tooth and nail against clubs outside the heartlands, who fought Richard Lewis at every turn, who ignore evidence and logic and seem determined not to stop until they return RL to it's rightful place - a game played by part-time players at small clubs in the north of England.

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If I had to choose between an away game at Leigh Halifax or fev as opposed to one at Toulouse it would be a no brainer

A weekend in the south of France to watch the rugby eating and drinking and carousing is one of life's pure joys

Presumably you would have the cup final played at cleckheaton for the same reason.

Clecks a lovely place ha.

I think the majority would agree with you, but alot of people don't have that much spare money to be making trips to the south of France!

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The people who have spent years complaining every single day about licencing, who have boycotted RFL events, who have filled the internet with garbage victimhood, who fought tooth and nail against clubs outside the heartlands, who fought Richard Lewis at every turn, who ignore evidence and logic and seem determined not to stop until they return RL to it's rightful place - a game played by part-time players at small clubs in the north of England.

Nad - See my earlier post regarding my stance as a Leigh fan. I dont think the opposition is down to the fans/clubs who despised licensing. The anti-Toulouse comments on here are from all clubs. I think your blaming of the likes of Leigh, Fev of Fax is unfair

As long as we have p&r, I'm fully behind Toulouse to get the nod for the first 12 in 2015 - with protected status for them and Les Cats. We should however be looking to grow the 12 to 16 over say 10 years by including extra French and UK clubs if/when extra revenues come in. For a start I'm sure the sky and premier sports rights will be worth more in 2016, and hopefully we'll be able to sell the rights in France

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If I had to choose between an away game at Leigh Halifax or fev as opposed to one at Toulouse it would be a no brainer

A weekend in the south of France to watch the rugby eating and drinking and carousing is one of life's pure joys

Presumably you would have the cup final played at cleckheaton for the same reason.

Why didnt you add Wigan, Widnes etc after Fev?

Why cant we have both?

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Nad - See my earlier post regarding my stance as a Leigh fan. I dont think the opposition is down to the fans/clubs who despised licensing. The anti-Toulouse comments on here are from all clubs. I think your blaming of the likes of Leigh, Fev of Fax is unfair

As long as we have p&r, I'm fully behind Toulouse to get the nod for the first 12 in 2015 - with protected status for them and Les Cats. We should however be looking to grow the 12 to 16 over say 10 years by including extra French and UK clubs if/when extra revenues come in. For a start I'm sure the sky and premier sports rights will be worth more in 2016, and hopefully we'll be able to sell the rights in France

Lobby, I appreciate your views on the need to strengthen in France but there are a good many people in this game who would gladly see the back of Catalans (and London for that matter) and a return to a game played exclusively up north. 

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Lobby, I appreciate your views on the need to strengthen in France but there are a good many people in this game who would gladly see the back of Catalans (and London for that matter) and a return to a game played exclusively up north. 

I think this was my point, you can't pigeon hole people like you have.

 

Some who like licensing will still believe that France should look after themselves.

 

Some who want P&R will want French teams to be given their opportunity.

 

I am supportive of the recent changes, but I am not one who ever boycotted anything, or complained or campaigned about the previous system.

 

It is wrong to suggest that it is one group of fans against anything new.

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Clecks a lovely place ha.

I think the majority would agree with you, but alot of people don't have that much spare money to be making trips to the south of France!

I'm sure that was said when the cup final was moved to wembley... In fact the naysayers almost won.

There are people who can afford to go, they belong to a demographic that the game needs to attract.

Presumably you would abolish stands at grounds since it is more expensive to sit in them

As for cleckheaton-whoosh

But nevertheless I know it well I used to teach at whitcliffe mount

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The people who have spent years complaining every single day about licencing, who have boycotted RFL events, who have filled the internet with garbage victimhood, who fought tooth and nail against clubs outside the heartlands, who fought Richard Lewis at every turn, who ignore evidence and logic and seem determined not to stop until they return RL to it's rightful place - a game played by part-time players at small clubs in the north of England.

 

Very well put and fully in agreement with your post

 

though I would add that it does not describe any particular individual on here (except maybe one..and  not

Lobby or Keighley)

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Very well put and fully in agreement with your post

 

though I would add that it does not describe any particular individual on here (except maybe one..and  not

Lobby or Keighley)

True. And I did try to clarify that with the reply to Lobby's post.

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The Cheshire jet set has spoken.

Please don't take his reactionary views as representative.

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Lobby, I appreciate your views on the need to strengthen in France but there are a good many people in this game who would gladly see the back of Catalans (and London for that matter) and a return to a game played exclusively up north. 

 

 

Yep, and the last one out can switch off the lights.

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Lobby, I appreciate your views on the need to strengthen in France......

 

League Express says Toulouse will "almost certainly" be allowed in "Superlegue 2" where I suppose they can prove if they have the money and potential.....

 

More than fair enough....

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Where does the norhern hemisphere game go if Toulouse are not admitted?  Clearly more teams from the rhubarb triangle and fewer from elsewhere is the answer.

 

Well, in my opinion, the best result would be to let in Toulouse and a third member of the rhubarb triangle and any other team who qualifies. The downsizing to 12 or 10, if they can get away with it, is the retrograde step.

 

SL should be expanding not contracting. By 2015 two of either Castleford, London, Hull KR, Salford or Bradford will be demoted and none from the likely trio of Featherstone, Halifax or Leigh will get a look in unless they can beat out one of those demoted SL clubs to win the Championship.

 

This is contraction and a detrimental step for the game just to prop up the greedy 12 who want a bigger slice of the sky pie and to ring fence their SL membership.

 

Stupid and defeatist.

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League Express says Toulouse will "almost certainly" be allowed in "Superlegue 2" where I suppose they can prove if they have the money and potential.....

More than fair enough....

Big mistake if true, we've been down this road before.

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This is contraction and a detrimental step for the game just to prop up the greedy 12 who want a bigger slice of the sky pie and to ring fence their SL membership.

But they're not though.  The 2/14s Sky money saved by going from 14 to 12 clubs will be split into parachute payments and increased SL2/Championship funding.  The remaining SL clubs get nothing extra from Sky as far as I can see from what has been released so far.

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Well, in my opinion, the best result would be to let in Toulouse and a third member of the rhubarb triangle and any other team who qualifies. The downsizing to 12 or 10, if they can get away with it, is the retrograde step.

 

SL should be expanding not contracting. By 2015 two of either Castleford, London, Hull KR, Salford or Bradford will be demoted and none from the likely trio of Featherstone, Halifax or Leigh will get a look in unless they can beat out one of those demoted SL clubs to win the Championship.

 

This is contraction and a detrimental step for the game just to prop up the greedy 12 who want a bigger slice of the sky pie and to ring fence their SL membership.

 

Stupid and defeatist.

 

There's a proposal that the top four Superleague 2 clubs will receive £500,000 each to help them compete with SL clubs for the four places in SL each year. It's in League Express...

 

"The RFL are likely to allocate  £500,000 per annum to each of the top four clubs in the proposed second tier of Superleague"

 

So your wrong (and will no doubt be pleased to be wrong) that this is just about 12 greedy clubs. They will not get more SKY money on this "likely" move.

 

Effectively 16 clubs will be funded from SKY money a position we both favoured at one point albeit in a different scenario,

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Big mistake if true, we've been down this road before.

 

We haven't IMHO.

 

We have had a part time Toulouse in the Championship.

 

The move is likely to be a full time Toulouse with the challenge of taking on seven other clubs for four Superleague places.

 

If Toulouse are true to their word then they will be in a position to outspend all their rivals.

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Kinda defeats the purpose and is a total waste of money, firstly saying we cant sustain 14 pro teams, cut down to 12 but then try to fund 16 teams through 2 divisions.

As for parachute payments, cant believe we are making development officers and schemes across the country redundant whilst throwing a significant amount of money at this. From what I remember parachute payments were deemed a waste of resources and unfair on other championship clubs, now where going back to it......tsk.

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There's a proposal that the top four Superleague 2 clubs will receive £500,000 each to help them compete with SL clubs for the four places in SL each year. It's in League Express...

 

"The RFL are likely to allocate  £500,000 per annum to each of the top four clubs in the proposed second tier of Superleague"

 

So your wrong (and will no doubt be pleased to be wrong) that this is just about 12 greedy clubs. They will not get more SKY money on this "likely" move.

 

Effectively 16 clubs will be funded from SKY money a position we both favoured at one point albeit in a different scenario,

 

I'll believe it when it happens. When some poor team from the twelve is relegated, say Bradford, and have to lose their SL money and exist on the 500,000 parachute payment, the screaming will be heard on Mars.

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We haven't IMHO.

We have had a part time Toulouse in the Championship.

The move is likely to be a full time Toulouse with the challenge of taking on seven other clubs for four Superleague places.

If Toulouse are true to their word then they will be in a position to outspend all their rivals.

Where does it say a full time Toulouse? Also french league fans as demonstrated by there foray into the championship previously are not interested in 2nd tier english league.

How are they going to develop their kids and systems in a double jeopardy scenario?

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