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Ray err French err today

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A I had a chat with Ray a few years ago - lovely fella BUT......

I haven't heard him on the box for a while but today's stint from Ray has to be the worst piece of match commentary I've ever heard in any sport.

".... the err Warrington err number eleven Trent err Waterhouse..." Painful

Calling the referee "Mr Bentham" 1950's stuff.

Brett err Ferres, Michael err Monaghan, Adrian err Morley....... What is that about?

Perception is everything these days and that kind of rank amateur style does the image of the game to any first time viewers no good at all.

Sorry Ray.

Am I being over critical?

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I actually thought Ray was a little better than usual today, but hopefully this will be the last televised match he does. He's been a great servant but it's really not the image we should be portraying as a sport in 2013. BBC need to find an alternative commentator to Dave Woods.

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Sorry but you can't criticise Ray French on here.

 

I did it a year or two back and, in spite of the fact he mumbles along, hardly knowing player's names whilst stuttering and stammering, he's still put more input into RL than I or you ever will.

 

Maybe he has as an ex player, but does that make him a worthwhile commentator?

 

I suppose if you asked the RU orientated BBC, they would probably answer in the affirmative.

 

Keep RL in the dark ages.

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Sorry but you can't criticise Ray French on here.

I did it a year or two back and, in spite of the fact he mumbles along, hardly knowing player's names whilst stuttering and stammering, he's still put more input into RL than I or you ever will.

Maybe he has as an ex player, but does that make him a worthwhile commentator?

I suppose if you asked the RU orientated BBC, they would probably answer in the affirmative.

Keep RL in the dark ages.

Yep. I respect him for what he's done. His enthusiasm is great but he never could & never will be able to commentate.

It's the BBC who need to carry the can for it. Really poor.

Thought Mark Chapman was ok though.

Good luck in the semi by the way

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Yep. I respect him for what he's done. His enthusiasm is great but he never could & never will be able to commentate.

It's the BBC who need to carry the can for it. Really poor.

Thought Mark Chapman was ok though.

Good luck in the semi by the way

Probably worded it wrong.

 

I agree completely with you but when I suggested it a while back, I got replies on here saying what a legend he is. I pointed out this doesn't make him a great commentator but few listened.

 

I risk more but who gives a s**t, like Eddie Waring, he's keeping our game in the flat cap, whippet/ferret owners times and that's how the Beeb like it.

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Oh, and thanks for the good luck, we'll need it.  :(

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Oh, and thanks for the good luck, we'll need it. :(

Agree.

Those ex Cas lads need to put a shift in for you in the semi..... It will be tough

Only one person who mumbles more in the media than Ray. It's Peter Allen on radio 5 Drive. Wow! Now that is something special. Have a listen (or try to...) when you get a minute - there is hope for all of us if he can stay on the BBC gravy train when you can only just make out what he is on about... !!

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I met Ray last in 2000. Nice fella, way past it then though as far as commentary on the TV. If anyone would have said that 3 years later he still be mumbling along on live TV I'd have not believed them let alone 13.

Dave Woods is up there with the best in the world and French's presence on the BBC must end.

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Yeah I've said this a few times over the years. If you can't string a sentence together without saying "errr", you shouldn't be a commentator. If you can't see who the players are in time, you shouldn't be a commentator.

Ray has done loads for the game, but that shouldn't make him untouchable. He needs to retire.

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Ray could still contribute as a pundit, but he can't keep up well enough for actual commentary. Given a less pressured role, he still has plenty to say that's worth hearing.

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Yep. Agree.

To qualify my OP, I'm not comfortable with the obsession with image but its the way it is worldwide now.

You've got to sex it up to get mass appeal. Cricket & union coverage is brilliant but our product is as good. Big challenge

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Calling the referee "Mr Bentham" 1950's stuff.

Just to weigh in on this point, I have no problem with this

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Oh, and thanks for the good luck, we'll need it.  :(

That's the spirit! :P

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Remember ray French and Alex Murphy doing commentary years ago. All you could hear was "Oooh, aaaaarr, Whooooooaaah, oooooooh" interspersed with "he's playing the old soldier and getting up gingerly" . Thought the were watching a mucky film rather than a rugby match! :D

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Ray could still contribute as a pundit, but he can't keep up well enough for actual commentary. Given a less pressured role, he still has plenty to say that's worth hearing.

 

This

 

BTW, I heard from the horses mouth (Ray himself) at the St Helens past players dinner last month that he is intending to hang up the microphone after this years world cup. Top bloke, and rugby league through and through but, just like players and coaches, time catches up eventually and commentating is no easy job. So when the time comes, thanks very much for all he has done and a happy retirement. 

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Ray could still contribute as a pundit, but he can't keep up well enough for actual commentary. Given a less pressured role, he still has plenty to say that's worth hearing.

Yes

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how can he be a pundit. his co-commentator has to explain the rules to him.

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I think he always come across well when he is involved with proper interviews, ie at a players home or something, and also the red button forum.

 

His commentary skills are appalling though and have been for a while.

 

I'm not fan of Davies, but even he seems fed up with French.

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Ray is an absolute gent and has done more for RL than most of us. But sadly its definitely time he stood down from the mic.

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Ray is an absolute gent and has done more for RL than most of us. But sadly its definitely time he stood down from the mic.

I remember listening to him at a forum a few years back and he was brilliant, he was a great public speaker, he was funny, intelligent, articulate and he was a credit to himself and the game.

 

I'd like to see him remain involved.

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I remember listening to him at a forum a few years back and he was brilliant, he was a great public speaker, he was funny, intelligent, articulate and he was a credit to himself and the game.

 

I'd like to see him remain involved.

He could certainly be part of the studio team for the BBC.

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how can he be a pundit. his co-commentator has to explain the rules to him.

Not normally a problem in any sport

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I've met Ray on a couple of occasions and as everybody has mentioned he's a great bloke and always has time to speak to anybody.

 

Whilst his enthusiasm and knowledge for the game have never been questioned, I agree his commentary days should come to an end.  Griff9of13's suggestion that Ray intend's to retire after this years World Cup is a concern to me.  The World Cup is our big chance to show the sporting world what we have to offer.  The BBC commentary team (rightly or wrongly) will be integral to the perception of the game.

 

I agree that Ray has a great deal to offer on a TV panel, when talking about the game at large and the politics involved but commentary and match analysis are not his strong points unfortunately.

 

 

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I have to agree with the criticism. Generally speaking, not just about Ray here, I don't know how they're (commentators) allowed to get away with their rank amateurism.

 

Just basic things like stammering and generally tripping over their tongue and not being all that literate and having really strong accents. You couldn't get away with it in a minimum wage telesales job, how it's acceptable for guys providing national commentary for a professional sport is beyond me. The fact that these guys have a job at all, nevermind at the BBC, is mind boggling.

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That's how commentary works. I tried to apply for a commentary job on a minority league having a deep knowledge of the competition and an ability to pronounce the players' names properly and it was made clear in not so many words that commentators with not even a basic knowledge and with the ability to butcher every single name in sight were more desirable.

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