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The Harelquins thing was never going to work. Too many obstacles and not helped by the fact that the man behind it all, Ian Lenegan, left soon after to buy Wigan. Besides, I'm certain that if Quins RL had won SL or the Challenge Cup then people reading the headlines in the paper or watching the news reports would have seen the name 'Harlequins' and assumed it was rugby union. I'm convinced of it.

 

All that said, none of that would have mattered if we'd had decent management in place. The club has been diabolically run for 5 or 6 years now. To the point that even diehards have stopped going.

 

I don't think that is the case at all. The sporting public aren't morons and are able to tell the difference between the two rugby codes. If Harlequins were playing Wigan or Leeds in the Grand Final or the Challenge Cup then the sporting public would be able to tell the difference. 

 

The Harlequins brand opened doors and attracted public attention in London. The key problem was Harlequins rugby league didn't make it worth while for Harlequins rugby union to keep the association going. The RFL and the Super League clubs should have made sure the London club were subsidised to ensure they were major players in the all of the competitions. 

 

On field success sells. Just look at the fortunes of Wigan Athletic or the soccer clubs in Wales. 

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if broncos go it will be a black day for the game in general, the strides made by rl in london over the past 30 years have been phenomenal, we need a capitol presence in super league and broncos should be given every bit of support to maintain their presence.....[/quote

I need to lie down.

why my support of the broncos as my joint second team with crusaders has never been a secret.

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I'm sure the RFL could intervene if they wanted to.

they would if the broncos were a yorkshire club.........

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Where I work, there are only a few people who know there are two codes of rugby, let alone that there's a club called London Broncos.

 

Indeed. I don't go with the "marketing" thing. Getting a professional level paying crowd where there's no culture of RL is tough even in places like Sheffield Liverpool & Manchester. Getting a crowd at a losing club is difficult even where the RL culture goes back 150 years.

 

Effective marketing costs big money. Bigger for London than Leeds.

 

If the game feels the slowly emerging RL culture and the player production line that comes from it is worth subsidising the pro club then get on with it. If they feel it's not or there isn't the will/money then abandon them to their own fate and let's have done.

 

Looks like the latter is the way it's going

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they would if the broncos were a yorkshire club.........

My view is that if it's good enough for the RFL to buy Odsal then it's good enough for them to intervene elsewhere, not just London.  A dangerous but important intervention and precedent by the RFL.

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My view is that if it's good enough for the RFL to buy Odsal then it's good enough for them to intervene elsewhere, not just London.  A dangerous but important intervention and precedent by the RFL>

 

Wasn't the precedent set when they invested in Spotland and Cougar Park many moons ago?

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Wasn't the precedent set when they invested in Spotland and Cougar Park many moons ago?

True.  The Odsal purchase was close enough ago though that other clubs could see it as dual standards if the RFL refuse to step in.

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the demise of blackpool is one of the more shameful episodes of the rfl not batting on a level wicket, if bradford are good enough to save then so were blackpool.......

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if broncos go it will be a black day for the game in general, the strides made by rl in london over the past 30 years have been phenomenal, we need a capitol presence in super league and broncos should be given every bit of support to maintain their presence.....

 

You could say the same about the North east who have made phenomenal strides in developing RL and so claim support for Gateshead or Wales, both north and South and so claim support there.

 

Gateshead, for instance, at the time they were thrown under the bus as a SL team where drawing more than London currently draw and that was after only one season, not 30.

 

Crusaders are drawing 8oo to a 1000 in CC1 about a third to a half as many as London are pulling in in SL.

 

When will the Broncos be considered a heartland team and be on a par with everybody else.? The amateur game in London is strong and well established, The Bronocs have been around for the said 30 years. How long are they going to take to be self sustaining.?

 

A London presence is desirable but at what cost. Might the game be better served by The Skolars and Hemel and a lower tier broncos if necessary.

 

the preferential treatment routine for a SL Broncos is getting old.

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the preferential treatment routine for a SL Broncos is getting old.

I've read similar things before, but what preferential treatment have London Broncos/Harlequins RL/Broncos received?

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I think Mark Evans the Chief Executive of Harlequins Rugby Union said that if Rugby League couldn't work at the Stoop with the Harlequins brand then it wasn't going to be able to work in London at all.

I would have to agree that the Harlequins association was a massive opportunity missed. The Quins brand is very strong and has immediate recognition from the wider sporting public in London and the South.

The RFL and Super League should have shown some vision and ensured that Harlequins were given financial advantages so they could compete at the top of the game. A club called Harlequins with a team full of internationals and getting to the later stages of the Challenge Cup and Super League play offs would have been big news and attracted lots of media attention. Like the Melbourne Storm are in Australia.

The lack of vision shown by the Super League clubs and the RFL with London has been desperately sad.

 

 How's it working at the moment with the Broncos in the Cc semi finals?

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they would if the broncos were a yorkshire club.........

 

Ask the Cougars what intervention from the RFL they received in their SL bid. Ask Wakefield what help they got? It was only the old boys club Bulls that got help and even they were deducted half their Sky money. Really !!! 

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The Harelquins thing was never going to work. Too many obstacles and not helped by the fact that the man behind it all, Ian Lenegan, left soon after to buy Wigan. Besides, I'm certain that if Quins RL had won SL or the Challenge Cup then people reading the headlines in the paper or watching the news reports would have seen the name 'Harlequins' and assumed it was rugby union. I'm convinced of it.

 

All that said, none of that would have mattered if we'd had decent management in place. The club has been diabolically run for 5 or 6 years now. To the point that even diehards have stopped going.

 

If there is one RU club that is quintessentially RU, and is the historic establishment club of English RU, it is Harlequins. For this reason I agree that the Quins tie up was always going to be a very difficult one for RL. That doesn't mean it couldn't have been successful but the odds were stacked against it.

 

But the Broncos really didn't help themselves by appointing Rob Powell as head coach, and then hanging on to him when it was quite clear he wasn't up to the job. I am pleased that Noble is back in the game at Salford and he will definitely have a very competitive side from next year, even though it may not play the most "box office" rugby in the league. Nobby would have done a great job in London and I am sure there are a number of other top quality coaches, British or otherwise, who could have done a good job in London and had a winning team running onto the paddock every week.

 

Which is ultimately what is needed at a sports club if you want punters through the turnstyles week after week.

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Indeed. I don't go with the "marketing" thing. Getting a professional level paying crowd where there's no culture of RL is tough even in places like Sheffield Liverpool & Manchester. Getting a crowd at a losing club is difficult even where the RL culture goes back 150 years.

 

Effective marketing costs big money. Bigger for London than Leeds.

 

If the game feels the slowly emerging RL culture and the player production line that comes from it is worth subsidising the pro club then get on with it. If they feel it's not or there isn't the will/money then abandon them to their own fate and let's have done.

 

Looks like the latter is the way it's going

 

 And if you look at numerous examples in the heartlands, and the current Welsh clubs, The Gateshead senior club and the amateur scene in the North east, the whole French game, you will notice that rugby league is an extremely tenacious tree and once it has roots will survive no matter what.

 

I suspect that London is no different and that RL in London could well survive the demotion or even the demise of the Broncos.

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Ask the Cougars what intervention from the RFL they received in their SL bid. Ask Wakefield what help they got? It was only the old boys club Bulls that got help and even they were deducted half their Sky money. Really !!! 

 

I think the reaction to the Bulls situation was driven more by a fear factor at Red Hall. 

 

The fear of what the wider reaction would have been if one of the best known Super League clubs had gone under, specifically that of the overdraft/ loan facility managers of the other SL clubs.

 

Rightly or wrongly with hindsight, they were keen to avoid a chain reaction.

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The Bronocs have been around for the said 30 years. How long are they going to take to be self sustaining?

 

Many clubs have been around for a 100 years and are not self sustaining. Why pick on the Broncos?

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You could say the same about the North east who have made phenomenal strides in developing RL and so claim support for Gateshead or Wales, both north and South and so claim support there.

 

Gateshead, for instance, at the time they were thrown under the bus as a SL team where drawing more than London currently draw and that was after only one season, not 30.

 

Crusaders are drawing 8oo to a 1000 in CC1 about a third to a half as many as London are pulling in in SL.

 

When will the Broncos be considered a heartland team and be on a par with everybody else.? The amateur game in London is strong and well established, The Bronocs have been around for the said 30 years. How long are they going to take to be self sustaining.?

 

A London presence is desirable but at what cost. Might the game be better served by The Skolars and Hemel and a lower tier broncos if necessary.

 

the preferential treatment routine for a SL Broncos is getting old.

 

Just a few thoughts...

When will the Broncos be considered a heartland team and be on a par with everybody else.?

 

I suppose when London is considered part of the rugby league heartlands. What is the population of London these days? 8 million? I think I worked out once that the combined population of the northern local authorities that make up the traditionally recognised RL heartlands - M62-land and Cumbria - was just over 5 million. So, how about London qualifies as a heartland areas when it has numerous pro clubs and a couple of dozen part-time clubs (with, say, half a dozen well-structured amateur clubs in each borough). Plus the associated strength in terms of coaching, volunteers, spectator support, local news coverage, etc.

Or, to aim a little lower, could we accept London as being a heartland when it reaches the strength in the south of France?

 

The amateur game in London is strong and well established?

Is it? I've always thought it was pretty fragile to be honest, especially when two of what were considered to be among its strongest clubs - South London Storm and West London Sharks(?) - collapsed.

The Bronocs have been around for the said 30 years. How long are they going to take to be self sustaining.?

That really depends on building the wider RL community in London that is able to sustain it.

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Ask the Cougars what intervention from the RFL they received in their SL bid. Ask Wakefield what help they got? It was only the old boys club Bulls that got help and even they were deducted half their Sky money. Really !!! 

 

When did Keighley make a bid for Super League?

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I've read similar things before, but what preferential treatment have London Broncos/Harlequins RL/Broncos received?

 

I was replying to the post from widnes Viking who stated that London should be given every assistance to survive. Broncos were also the beneficiaries of hugely preferential treatment when they were on marginal gates at Chiswick or somewhere, did not finish in a promotion spot but were nevertheless given a SL spot at the expense of Widnes, Featherstone. Keighley or Batley, take your pick. 

 

They also susbsequently went bust and were given further preferential treatment, supported strongly by Richard Lewis, the RFL supremo, to circumvent bankrupcy and maintain their SL place.

 

They received an exemption on the number of overseas players they could sign for decades.

 

Exactly what would you class as preferential treatment if those examples do not qualify ?

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When did Keighley make a bid for Super League?

 

Let's not rehash this at any length as it's been the subject of several very long threads but they won the 1st Division when p and r was on the table at the start of the season only to have p and r removed as an option mid season. The Cougars should have been in the first SL, well ahead of the Broncos who had nowhere near the same support, quality of team, marketing operation and to boot did not finish in a promotion spot. the other spot went to Batley who were also shafted along with Fev and Widnes who did nolt finish in relegation spots but were booted anyway.

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Ask the Cougars what intervention from the RFL they received in their SL bid. Ask Wakefield what help they got? It was only the old boys club Bulls that got help and even they were deducted half their Sky money. Really !!!

do the rfl still own the lease to lawkholme lane??

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Does anyine think theres a chance they could be headed to Brisbane road ? As an Orient fan i'm a bit biased however there could be a potential link up with Barry Hearne who i'm sure could drum up some serious publicity

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I was replying to the post from widnes Viking who stated that London should be given every assistance to survive. Broncos were also the beneficiaries of hugely preferential treatment when they were on marginal gates at Chiswick or somewhere, did not finish in a promotion spot but were nevertheless given a SL spot at the expense of Widnes, Featherstone. Keighley or Batley, take your pick. 

 

They also susbsequently went bust and were given further preferential treatment, supported strongly by Richard Lewis, the RFL supremo, to circumvent bankrupcy and maintain their SL place.

 

They received an exemption on the number of overseas players they could sign for decades.

 

Exactly what would you class as preferential treatment if those examples do not qualify ?

london were brought into super league to expand the game away from the heartlands, and were already a club in their own right. my gripe at the time was the created club paris sg. and please get the user name right it is VIKING WARRIOR..........

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If there is one RU club that is quintessentially RU, and is the historic establishment club of English RU, it is Harlequins. For this reason I agree that the Quins tie up was always going to be a very difficult one for RL. That doesn't mean it couldn't have been successful but the odds were stacked against it.

 

But the Broncos really didn't help themselves by appointing Rob Powell as head coach, and then hanging on to him when it was quite clear he wasn't up to the job. I am pleased that Noble is back in the game at Salford and he will definitely have a very competitive side from next year, even though it may not play the most "box office" rugby in the league. Nobby would have done a great job in London and I am sure there are a number of other top quality coaches, British or otherwise, who could have done a good job in London and had a winning team running onto the paddock every week.

 

Which is ultimately what is needed at a sports club if you want punters through the turnstyles week after week.

 

Spot on. Powell was a disaster for the Broncos and Noble, though very dull would have been good for them. New management required.

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do the rfl still own the lease to lawkholme lane??

 

I think they proably do but I am open to correction on that.

 

However, this is the RFL assisting Keighley to survive following their bankruoptcy, not assisting them in a SL bid. In fact, the RFL  went out of their way to scupper the Cougar's SL aspirations. Not only did they abolish promotion halway through a season when it was in place at the beginning of the said season but they also, again halfway through the same season, introduced miminum standards for grounds which Cougar Park/ Lawkholme Lane did not meet thus leading to the ludicrous suggestion to share with Burnley AFC.

 

Such as Bradford and Castleford were given SL licences and a grace period to bring their grounds up to scratch. No such courtesy was afforded to the Cougars.

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