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John Drake

22/07/13 - St Helens v Wigan Warriors KO 7.45pm (Sky Sports)

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The Bloke in the striped shirt, does remind you of Gerry, think it was Mike Coleman, the clubs Major shareholder.

Ah, thanks. Does he have a tribute band to generate more cash?

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This is a bold statement but this fixture is the closest thing we have to the state of origin. I look back over the years and there's been some classic encounters that rarely disappoint and yesterday's game was no exception.

When both teams are playing well then I think you are spot on.  I really don't think there is another match up in this hemisphere which comes close.  For the most part, both teams play well in the derby (ie historically, not just during the superleague era) and that is largely because the derby has been going since 1895 (and so there is a lot of history and competition involved) and each side has hardly ever been out of the higher reaches of the league.  During Superleague there have been the odd blow out matches, primarily at Magic weekends.  For example, we trounced Wigan one year something like 50 to 12 and last year Wigan trounced us.  But then you look back to as recently as 2011 and there was an absolute belter at the DW where we lost in the last 30 seconds.  Last year was probably the lowest point in this derby for a while but last night showed that even with two of our best players out, their two best players out, and us losing three during the match, we produced some outstanding rugby to nick it from them in the last few minutes.  Last night showed us Saints fans that there is still life in the old derby yet!

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The disciplinary should have give them a "really good battering" today, but failed to do so.

just shows the one eyedness of some fans, fans screaming for a player to be sent off when the only player that deserved sending off was wilkin for stamping on charnleys hand.

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just shows the one eyedness of some fans, fans screaming for a player to be sent off when the only player that deserved sending off was wilkin for stamping on charnleys hand.

Now that's just silly.  He no more stamped on Charnley's hand than Tomkins scored a try.

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dirtiest player in super league wilkin and one of the most underhand.

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dirtiest player in super league wilkin and one of the most underhand.

 

And He's calling me "one eyed".

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dirtiest player in super league wilkin and one of the most underhand.

 

:D

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one of the most underhand.

Would imagine that's the most difficult position from which to stamp on someone's hand.

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When both teams are playing well then I think you are spot on.  I really don't think there is another match up in this hemisphere which comes close.  For the most part, both teams play well in the derby (ie historically, not just during the superleague era) and that is largely because the derby has been going since 1895 (and so there is a lot of history and competition involved) and each side has hardly ever been out of the higher reaches of the league.

 

True recently, but St Helens weren't really a particularly successful club until the second world war.  Prior to that they didn't really do much on the pitch, and often finished below St Helens Recs in the league.

 

I'd be interested to know if there was ever a rivalry between Saints and St Helens Recs, and when Wigan started taking St Helens seriously as a local rival.

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True recently, but St Helens weren't really a particularly successful club until the second world war.  Prior to that they didn't really do much on the pitch, and often finished below St Helens Recs in the league.

 

I'd be interested to know if there was ever a rivalry between Saints and St Helens Recs, and when Wigan started taking St Helens seriously as a local rival.

 

Listening to my Granddad in years gone by, there was fierce rivalry between the Recs and Saints. We used to live opposite the Recs ground.

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During the St H v St H Recs rivalary Wigan's local rivals were Leigh.

My father used to say Saints only came to life after Jim Sullivan went to coach them.

Prior to that, he reckoned, they were nowhere.

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In my time watching the game I can think of few occasions when both teams have been on top at the same time. In fact, I am struggling to think of a time when Wigan and Saints fought it out for top dog - maybe only 96? For the period up to 85, Saints were much better, Wigan were then much better for the next decade, then after 97 till Maguire Saints were clearly better for most of the time. Wigan have become very good in the last 4 years when Saints have been saying goodbye to their superstars and in relative decline.

Leeds - Wigan games have generally been superb since around 2000. Some amazing games along the way.

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dirtiest player in super league wilkin and one of the most underhand.

:laugh:

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True recently, but St Helens weren't really a particularly successful club until the second world war.  Prior to that they didn't really do much on the pitch, and often finished below St Helens Recs in the league.

 

I'd be interested to know if there was ever a rivalry between Saints and St Helens Recs, and when Wigan started taking St Helens seriously as a local rival.

Not so sure about the claim regarding our pre WW2 success:

 

http://www.saintsrlfc.com/club/30

 

We were also the first club to appear at a Challenge Cup final, along with Batley, who beat us. 

 

Here's our derby match history with Wigan, care of the rather wonderful Saints Heritage Society:

 

http://www.saints.org.uk/home/matches.php?seq=Wigan

 

Here's our derby match history with the Recs:

 

http://www.saints.org.uk/home/matches.php?seq=St.%20Helens%20Recs

 

I do believe we had a rivalry with the Recs when they were around and if memory serves the Recs were the stronger team in St Helens at the outset.  I couldn't say really whether the rivalry between the Recs or Wigan was greater as I wasn't around then and such things are pretty subjective IMO.  But I rather think that our rivalry with Wigan predates WW2!

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True recently, but St Helens weren't really a particularly successful club until the second world war. Prior to that they didn't really do much on the pitch, and often finished below St Helens Recs in the league.

I'd be interested to know if there was ever a rivalry between Saints and St Helens Recs, and when Wigan started taking St Helens seriously as a local rival.

Saints did play in the first CC final and lost 1 or 2 more before WW2 but I think recs we're the first team to win something out of the two of them. As you say it was only after the war that Saints started winning things

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As for the Wigan v Saints rivalry.

Up to 2010 they have played 332 games,

Wigan have won 195,

Saints 120,

With 17 drawn games.

From Bilko's site.

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As for the Wigan v Saints rivalry.

Up to 2010 they have played 332 games,

Wigan have won 195,

Saints 120,

With 17 drawn games.

From Bilko's site.

Sky informed the RL watching world of the same stats on Monday night.

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