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Bit harsh. The new proposal will speed up expansion, as it will allow faster access to SL for new teams

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Bit harsh. The new proposal will speed up expansion, as it will allow faster access to SL for new teams

Faster bankruptcy for expansion teams needing to overspend to stay in super league

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Bit harsh. The new proposal will speed up expansion, as it will allow faster access to SL for new teams

And do you think that the Cornish RL team are aiming for SL? Or maybe they are just having a bit of fun? Either way, access to the top flight is completely irrelevant to situations like this.

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Well done Cornwall !

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Listened in to build up of this game on BBC Radio Cornwall. Had their main rugby correspondent live from the ground. What I find interesting is that certain localities nation wide mostly rural can accommodate newcomers better. Cornwall like Cumbria dont have a lot of pro soccer to clogg things up. Did BBC Radio Sheffield give live commentary from the Shay yesterday for Eagles match? It was fun picking up Cornwall's content yesterday afternoon; club cricket updates along with Muirfield, Cornwall Rebels-Devon Sharks and Lords Test.

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And do you think that the Cornish RL team are aiming for SL? Or maybe they are just having a bit of fun? Either way, access to the top flight is completely irrelevant to situations like this.

Dunno - would be great to have a Cornish team in SL though. Seems to be a strong RU but neglected RU area (England RU doesnt seem to play any tests in SW England). Analogous to the way RL treats Cumbria

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Dunno - would be great to have a Cornish team in SL though. Seems to be a strong RU but neglected RU area (England RU doesnt seem to play any tests in SW England). Analogous to the way RL treats Cumbria

England RU plays all its internationals at Twickenham. Exceptions are very rare. 

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England RU plays all its internationals at Twickenham. Exceptions are very rare.

England A(Saxons or whatever their called) and their junior sides play at grounds around the country, mostly in the bath, Bristol and the west country.

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Dunno - would be great to have a Cornish team in SL though. Seems to be a strong RU but neglected RU area (England RU doesnt seem to play any tests in SW England). Analogous to the way RL treats Cumbria

 

 

Dunno - would be great to have a Cornish team in SL though. Seems to be a strong RU but neglected RU area (England RU doesnt seem to play any tests in SW England). Analogous to the way RL treats Cumbria

 

That's so true...never understand why Cornwall never went to Rugby League from the start.

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That's so true...never understand why Cornwall never went to Rugby League from the start.

Too far.

 

Remember that the early leagues were Lancashire and Yorkshire based with a play-off between the two "conferences" to determine the overall winner. Games between Lancs and Yorks sides were too expensive for many sides. We lost sides in places like Ripon, Morecambe etc early on and never recovered them. What chance did a side in Redruth have?

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Cornwall is one of the most deprived areas in the country once you come away from the coast. It's hard to imagine any significant sporting entity emerging from there and enjoying sustained success.

However, that's not a reason not to aim for increased participation rates at amateur level. The aim must be to have enough teams within the county to have a meaningful competition as I think the step above to serious amateur level is a massive task given the travel distances/times involved.

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It's not just the deprivation. It's also the lack of population centres. Liverpool is deprived but it still has two Premier League football teams. Cornwall is like Cumbria without Carlisle.

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It's not just the deprivation. It's also the lack of population centres. Liverpool is deprived but it still has two Premier League football teams. Cornwall is like Cumbria without Carlisle.

Fair comment, Truro is about a third of the size of Carlisle I'd guess.

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Too far.

 

Remember that the early leagues were Lancashire and Yorkshire based with a play-off between the two "conferences" to determine the overall winner. Games between Lancs and Yorks sides were too expensive for many sides. We lost sides in places like Ripon, Morecambe etc early on and never recovered them. What chance did a side in Redruth have?

Hang on, you mean to say there was no promotion and relegation?

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Cornwall had a tradition of sending players North years back. Graham Paul played with distinction for Hull KR 'Cornish Express' and played on the wing against the Chemics in the 1964 Wembley Final. Ted Bonner and wing Mike Blackmore may be from Devon. Wasn't there a centre who did well at Wigan in the 1970's (Rowe?) who may have played at St Ives.

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Dunno - would be great to have a Cornish team in SL though. Seems to be a strong RU but neglected RU area (England RU doesnt seem to play any tests in SW England). Analogous to the way RL treats Cumbria

Union isn't neglected in Cornwall. One of the strongest clubs in the Rugby Union 2nd Division is Penzance & Newlyn and there are a couple of other senior Union clubs in the County too.

In Premiership terms the Cornwall comes under the RFU academy at Exeter. Any rugby talent in the county will be directed in Exeter's direction.

If you are interested this is how the RFU carves England up for player development purposes. Each county Union is affiliated to a senior club.

http://www.rfu.com/takingpart/careersinrugby/locations

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Mike Blackmore was from Barnstaple ( sadly passed away a few years back) as is Kevin Squire who played loose forward for Leeds in the early eighties.

In 1912/13 there were efforts to form a Western League of Northern Union with teams in Plymouth, Torquay, Newton Abbot, Falmouth and Camborne amongst others.

So, League has, in a way, RETURNED to Cornwall after a hundred years rather than launching this summer.

There was a two part feature about the formation of the Western League in Open Rugby in about 1982. It formed the basis for the article on the history of South West and Plymouth Rugby League here http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/plymouthtitansrlfc/a/history-9330.html

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RL at Plainmoor .... what a pity it all never came off. Never does in RL, somehow.

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Hang on, you mean to say there was no promotion and relegation?

No.

 

IIRC both the Yorks and Lancs leagues had two divisions.

 

But the league structure was in a constant state of flux in the first few years so almost anything could be argued to be "traditional".

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Hull KR made a 2/3 match  promotional tour to Cornwall many moons ago.

 

I once saw Cornwall v Yorkshire in the final of the county championship at Twickenham over 30000 cornish persons there (Last one over the tamar turn the lights out:)

 

I always thought that cornwall would be a great place for RL expansion and good also to see a revival in the numbers speaking cornish from almost zero to over 3000 now:)

 

 

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Hull KR made a 2/3 match  promotional tour to Cornwall many moons ago.

 

I once saw Cornwall v Yorkshire in the final of the county championship at Twickenham over 30000 cornish persons there (Last one over the tamar turn the lights out:)

 

I always thought that cornwall would be a great place for RL expansion and good also to see a revival in the numbers speaking cornish from almost zero to over 3000 now:)

 

 

CM

Yeah was that back in the 1990's.I wonder if Cornwall supported the County more then the club sides esp with that number of fan's and that always confused me where someone would support  the club like Leicester Tiger's but not the Leicestershire County side while Cornwall seemed to be more County based then club ?????

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Yeah was that back in the 1990's.I wonder if Cornwall supported the County more then the club sides esp with that number of fan's and that always confused me where someone would support  the club like Leicester Tiger's but not the Leicestershire County side while Cornwall seemed to be more County based then club ?????

Rugby Union's elite structure druring the amateur era was a bit of a hotch potch. I certain parts of the country the big provincial clubs dominated and in some areas the county sides were the main focus of attention.

Cornwall was one area where the County took precedence over the local senior clubs. The Lancashire and Yorkshire County teams were strong too and the Middlesex County team concentrated most of London's talent.

However in places like Bristol, Gloucester, Coventry and Leicester the clubs were so strong many viewed the County side as a bit redundant. Certainly once the League structure was created in 1987 the County Championship soon when into rapid decline. Cornwall's epic finals were the last hurray in many ways.

Penzance and Newlyn have renamed themselves the "Cornish Pirates" and attempted to recreate the regional pride that the County side used to create. If and when they get into the Premiership they should have a good support. There is a lot of good will towards the Pirates in Union at the moment and lots of people would like a Cornish team in the competition. Getting a suitable ground built is their biggest problem at the moment.

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