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Dual registration of professionals in the NCL   36 members have voted

  1. 1. Should current pro's dual register in the NCL in any form?

    • Yes - in some form
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    • Not bothered - I will accept either way
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    • No - under any circumstances
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I still can't get why you're so very interested in the NCL. Let the NCL Clubs worry about the NCL and "who is actually in control". It isn't your problem. If they want summer or winter - it will be their decision. Unfortunately for you, your opinions won't be considered.

Why, your having a laugh aren't you, maybe you can tell me why the NCL have two people on the Community Board and BARLA have just the one (Don't tell me Peter is independent, he sounds more RFL than Woody & Rimmer)

 

"Operational Rules"

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 I have nailed my colours to the mast ages ago, from a purely personal view I want a return to winter. However as a forum moderator of this NCL Forum I am obviously aware that the Winter Warriors  are hacking every thread.  People are staying away from the forum because they are sick to the back teeth of the repetitive, boring nonsense.   This forum used to thrive on healthy debate and banter about NCL clubs, games, players and referees, now it is a haven for a handful of habitual whingers.

I remember when you hardly ever got anyone on the NCL forum and it's only really come alive in the last 2 years.

 

Who we seem to have lost are the guys from the expansion areas who believed everything their development officers (Or where they the development officers acting as the RFL assassin's) told them about BARLA, strangely this drop in traffic does coincide with certain forced redundancy's in the RFL.

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 I have nailed my colours to the mast ages ago, from a purely personal view I want a return to winter. However as a forum moderator of this NCL Forum I am obviously aware that the Winter Warriors  are hacking every thread.  People are staying away from the forum because they are sick to the back teeth of the repetitive, boring nonsense.   This forum used to thrive on healthy debate and banter about NCL clubs, games, players and referees, now it is a haven for a handful of habitual whingers.

  

Have to agree . 'Doing a Bowes'  maybe isn't such a bad idea after all............... :)

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What does make me laugh is how the delicate questions are never answered ?

 

Being a moderator is  mainly to prevent and monitor abuse not to censor peoples opinions .

 

I will ask again  were do the NCL chiefs sit with the DR issue ?

 

I firmly believe both Trevor and Peter uphold the amateur ethos but are they being backed into a corner by the RFL ?

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 No, just pointing them in the right direction.

 

"The place to talk about the National Conference League".........seems clear enough.

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I remember when you hardly ever got anyone on the NCL forum and it's only really come alive in the last 2 years.

 

Who we seem to have lost are the guys from the expansion areas who believed everything their development officers (Or where they the development officers acting as the RFL assassin's) told them about BARLA, strangely this drop in traffic does coincide with certain forced redundancy's in the RFL.

 Utter bollix, the posters we have lost are the coaches, administrators, players and fans of NCL clubs who are bored stiff with your perpetual carping and whinging.

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 No, just pointing them in the right direction.

 

"The place to talk about the National Conference League".........seems clear enough.

Can't you see that what ever happens with the NCL is also tied into what will/has happened in whole of the amateur game, others within the amateur game are now waking up and starting to take notice.

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Surely Mr B as the flagship amateur league one which all clubs aspire to be part of then it makes good sense to have a cross section of opinion and debate or should we join the masons ?

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 Utter bollix, the posters we have lost are the coaches, administrators, players and fans of NCL clubs who are bored stiff with your perpetual carping and whinging.

Really, it's not the coaches, administrators and fans who have woken up to the misleading that's been going on in the past ?

 

All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honour, duty, mercy, hope.

 

Winston Churchill

 

 

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 You read without taking in the words, the coaches, fans, etc haven't woken up they have been sent to sleep by your repetitive, narrow minded slant on things.

 

 We know you hate the RFL,

 We know you hate anyone in authority,

 We know you hate the NCL,

 We know you hate summer rugby, because you preach the facts with every click of your keyboard, BUT IT IS IN THE WRONG BLOODY PLACE.

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 You read without taking in the words, the coaches, fans, etc haven't woken up they have been sent to sleep by your repetitive, narrow minded slant on things.

 

 We know you hate the RFL,

 We know you hate anyone in authority,

 We know you hate the NCL,

 We know you hate summer rugby, because you preach the facts with every click of your keyboard, BUT IT IS IN THE WRONG BLOODY PLACE.

I hate how the RFL are bullying the amateur game (I hate bullies full stop)

I happen to run my own company, was a charge-man on a coal face, a gun number 1 in the royal artillery on demob and respect my father.

I don't hate the NCL at all, in fact I look up to it.

I think you will find that I've never once said I hate summer rugby, I have said the concept is a good one and your correct I have and will carry on telling why IMO it will not blossom into what you expect, unless the alternative is killed off, and that brings it back to why I hate the RFL.

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Hate is a strong emotion , be like me and many other smart amateur activists wary of a big machine using the amateur game to prop up a failing model .

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What does make me laugh is how the delicate questions are never answered ?

 

Being a moderator is  mainly to prevent and monitor abuse not to censor peoples opinions .

 

I will ask again  were do the NCL chiefs sit with the DR issue ?

 

I firmly believe both Trevor and Peter uphold the amateur ethos but are they being backed into a corner by the RFL ?

Early stages of memory loss Taxi Egg ?

 

Have a look at the thread  'Where is the actual proof ' 4th may at #93 , #95 and #96 . My position remains thus far the same.......

 

And how many times do people need to be told that the NCL  Management have yet to debate the topic , and if it  gets past them in any shape or form it will then be up to  the clubs themselves to decide. The NCL is an affiliated RFL League not a member RFL League - essentially that means ( amongst other things ) it has its own say on how the competition runs. 'Competition ' rules are  a matter for the NCL and DR , according to Robert Hicks , the referee who doubles up as in house Counsel for the RFL , is a competition issue .

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So Del Boy........even though you have known about Dual Reg since February 2013 when it was supported by the Regulatory Group and put forward to the Community Board in April 2013 who's recommendation it was to "Approve it".............you (NCL Management) have not discussed it?

 

If you need to find it in amongst your paperwork or electrontic documents then you are looking for the paper that begins................

 

COMMUNITY DUAL REGISTRATION

 

"Supporting the movement of Tier 2 Players between professional clubs and Community Tier 3 and 4 clubs who play in the summer based competitions"

 

 

Now Del Boy are you saying you have never been party to these discussions at Community Board Level?

 

Are you also stating that the "CDR" will not be written in to the Operational Rules or in fact it has not yet been agreed that "CDR" will come in to play for the 2014 season...........as of 1st March?

 

Here's a couple of snippets just to help you remember................after all we could be seeing the "Early stages of memory loss" on this one!!!

 

"A paper, with the first set of proposals on this matter, was first circulated in July 2012 and various modifications have been made along the way. Whilst it has been protracted community dual registration is now supported".

 

"Only clubs in the Tier 3 National Conference Leagues and Tier 4 summer based competitions i.e. Premier Division teams, will be eligible for CDR players". 

 

I just wonder how long its going to take you to answer the above.............if at all.

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LordCharles.... why not post that entire document if you keep referring to it?

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More than happy in most instances to respond to NCL people on their own  forum or at their own meetings .

 

But I will certainly pick and choose on replying to  NCL outsiders with their own agendas......

 

I've seen at least 3 different drafts and working papers on this topic over the last 2 years and been involved in extensive meetings. Goes with the territory I'm afraid.

 

The current document  was passed by a Regulatory Group dominated by Youth and Junior officials. The actual minutes will reveal that the NCL has not been tied , that the BARLA winter leagues have been excluded and that the whole process is now out for wider consultation. And most importantly of all whilst sitting under the general Regulatory umbrella ,  its implementation by non owned RFL Leagues will be a competition issue for those Leagues themselves.

 

I've spent a long time learning how  to suck eggs Lord Charles.

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Early stages of memory loss Taxi Egg ?

 

Have a look at the thread  'Where is the actual proof ' 4th may at #93 , #95 and #96 . My position remains thus far the same.......

 

And how many times do people need to be told that the NCL  Management have yet to debate the topic , and if it  gets past them in any shape or form it will then be up to  the clubs themselves to decide. The NCL is an affiliated RFL League not a member RFL League - essentially that means ( amongst other things ) it has its own say on how the competition runs. 'Competition ' rules are  a matter for the NCL and DR , according to Robert Hicks , the referee who doubles up as in house Counsel for the RFL , is a competition issue .

 Before you ask Taxi Egg its on the Community Board started by Lord Charles 0n 18th March  , page 5.........

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More than happy in most instances to respond to NCL people on their own  forum or at their own meetings .

 

But I will certainly pick and choose on replying to  NCL outsiders with their own agendas......

 

I've seen at least 3 different drafts and working papers on this topic over the last 2 years and been involved in extensive meetings. Goes with the territory I'm afraid.

 

The current document  was passed by a Regulatory Group dominated by Youth and Junior officials. The actual minutes will reveal that the NCL has not been tied , that the BARLA winter leagues have been excluded and that the whole process is now out for wider consultation. And most importantly of all whilst sitting under the general Regulatory umbrella ,  its implementation by non owned RFL Leagues will be a competition issue for those Leagues themselves.

 

I've spent a long time learning how  to suck eggs Lord Charles.

 

Well Del Boy...............you would have to think the RFL would have reason to be fairly confident it would be accepted by the few leagues it could only be implemented within...........

 

"Only clubs in the Tier 3 National Conference Leagues and Tier 4 summer based competitions i.e. Premier Division teams, will be eligible for CDR players". 

 

Otherwise its been a significant waste of time and resources over the last two years for everyone....................has'nt it?

 

Just an observation..............from an outsider looking in!!!  :onthequiet:

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I couldn't see Mr Hicks saying much against a policy that he probably sat down and helped to devise into a saleable commodity along with Mr Rimmer & Mr Wood

 

IMO a lot of clubs have put their TRUST with a few Arthur Daley's who bat about and shape an idea before it is put in front of the clubs in terms that may as well be in a foreign tongue.

 

I'm also sure that the full range of RFL policies to gain their elite pyramid was also available to the chosen few a long time ago, so either the top table think the RFL full package was to much for the clubs to grasp, the full package would have been voted against or was it drip fed in for self preservation.

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LordCharles.... why not post that entire document if you keep referring to it?

The Community Board yesterday said it had no problems with  Management Groups giving copies to member clubs as part of the consultation process.

 

The NCL  Management meet on 30th  July and I will be pressing for the documentation to be put on the website  for member clubs to view and make comment prior to the NCL Management meeting with Robert Hicks scheduled for 19th August.

 

Vice Chair Tony Johnson is going through it all with a fine toothcombe - it's his holiday reading this year.......

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Well Del Boy...............you would have to think the RFL would have reason to be fairly confident it would be accepted by the few leagues it could only be implemented within...........

 

"Only clubs in the Tier 3 National Conference Leagues and Tier 4 summer based competitions i.e. Premier Division teams, will be eligible for CDR players". 

 

Otherwise its been a significant waste of time and resources over the last two years for everyone....................has'nt it?

 

Just an observation..............from an outsider looking in!!!  :onthequiet:

 You sometimes have to play a straight bat for a long time to avoid losing your wicket Lord Charles

 

And the whole DR issue is likely to take on a different perspective in September when the professionals  have to decide their playing formats at all levels

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The Community Board yesterday said it had no problems with  Management Groups giving copies to member clubs as part of the consultation process.

 

The NCL  Management meet on 30th  July and I will be pressing for the documentation to be put on the website  for member clubs to view and make comment prior to the NCL Management meeting with Robert Hicks scheduled for 19th August.

 

Vice Chair Tony Johnson is going through it all with a fine toothcombe - it's his holiday reading this year.......

Holiday read " 50 shades of bollix "

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Holiday read " 50 shades of bollix "

 

 He can't help himself Taxi Egg - he just loves this sort of stuff

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