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Not quite. One new winter team going into Pennine League along with a new open age summer team going in the Yorkshire Men's League next season. Makes financial sense to have a couple of open age teams operating through the winter when NCL and junior sides not playing especially as all the youth team set up is switching to summer.

Not all the youth rugby is switching to summer thou, in fact all the Pennine clubs are talking about pulling their junior clubs out of summer rugby.

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Actions speak louder than words. I don't know about all the other Pennine clubs. I was just taking about Siddal . As I understand it they Have pulled their U18's out of the winter based Yorkshire Combination Youth League and will be running all their junior teams through into the youth set up of the Yorkshire Junior League in summer. If my sums are correct and the information on the Siddal website correct that means in 2014 they will have 14 teams playing in the summer and 2 in the winter.

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Not all the youth rugby is switching to summer thou, in fact all the Pennine clubs are talking about pulling their junior clubs out of summer rugby.

Nice to see you know ALL the pennine clubs are talking about pulling their junior clubs out of summer.

 

I thought a lot of clubs had different sections and the open age is not always incharge of the junior sections.

 

Some clubs will switch maybe just not as many as you hope

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I do not think for one minute all the Pennine clubs are thinking seriously about pulling their juniors out of summer rugby. I think that is wishful thinking at best or perhaps deliberately mischievous.

If a meeting takes place and somebody asks the question should we go back to winter and somebody says no does that constitute talking about it?

Moving juniors back to the old winter based system would be a huge mistake and there is IMO zero chance of all the Pennine teams agreeing to that.

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Not quite. One new winter team going into Pennine League along with a new open age summer team going in the Yorkshire Men's League next season. Makes financial sense to have a couple of open age teams operating through the winter when NCL and junior sides not playing especially as all the youth team set up is switching to summer.

Funny how it makes financial sense now but when I said it would be better to run with a traditional season and have a summer (jolly) season that would open the game up to union and soccer players (more participation) at a level they would be able to compete at, which would also have their tills ticking over 12 months a year was basically ridiculed.

 

I do not think for one minute all the Pennine clubs are thinking seriously about pulling their juniors out of summer rugby. I think that is wishful thinking at best or perhaps deliberately mischievous.

If a meeting takes place and somebody asks the question should we go back to winter and somebody says no does that constitute talking about it?

Moving juniors back to the old winter based system would be a huge mistake and there is IMO zero chance of all the Pennine teams agreeing to that.

 

Why is it mischievous when clubs have identified that yes summer is definitely the best climate for kids to play and train in but also the most disruptive because of holidays, other family & friendly distractions.

 

I also think your assumption of a Pennine meeting is a little disrespectful to a competition that is run equally as efficient as the NCL and based on a democratic system that allows it's clubs to see the information before a recommendation from the top table and that's without £150,000 worth of RFL money over the last decade or more towards administration (Feed the chickens a little corn)

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Marauder, I think you should sack your script writer, he keeps regurgitating the same ones.

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Nice to see you know ALL the pennine clubs are talking about pulling their junior clubs out of summer.

 

I thought a lot of clubs had different sections and the open age is not always incharge of the junior sections.

 

Some clubs will switch maybe just not as many as you hope

Clubs have been reading the operational rules.

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You made a statement " all the Pennine clubs are talking about pulling their junior clubs out of summer rugby"

I believe that statement is factually incorrect. I also believe it was a statement deliberately worded in such a way to give a misleading impression that all Pennine Clubs are close to pulling their junior sides out of summer rugby.

I also doubt there have been any meaningful or substantive talks amongst the Pennine Clubs that would justify such a statement.

I've no doubt discussions are ongoing at all levels about the issue of summer rugby. It is after all the hottest topic for discussion. However, there is a world of difference between people discussing a topic and there being any meaningful possibility of any substantial changes arising from those discussions.

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Marauder, I think you should sack your script writer, he keeps regurgitating the same ones.

"Hark at you",

 

You keep coming up with the pluses of summer rugby which I agree look beautiful on the drawing board (Done 7 seasons echo, echo, echo), but what are we seeing once it is being put into practice, IMO the main ingredients the players are not actually making the sport their 100% priority during the summer, this has resulted in a drop in standards on the park, teams travelling short, first teams taking 2nd team and youth players to make numbers up resulting in postponements and surely you don't believe the theory that in a few years time all the players will only have known summer rugby is going to solve the problem.

 

Doesn't anyone listen to the rumblings coming out of the summer camps from the people who actually didn't have much say in the switch or sold it on the back of the RFL mischievous propaganda.

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In my experience participation levels are not the issue. The issue at open age ( but not junior rugby) is consistency of selection. This lack of consistency has lead to a fall in standards. The focus should therefore be on how we can tweak the existing calendar to try and address some of the issues that are affecting availability. The summer set up is still very much in its infancy and should be considered work in progress. IMO clubs and the indiviuduals within them should be working hard to try and iron out issues that were inevitably going to arise after such a switch rather than ( in some cases) working tirelessly to undermine the current set up to try and ensure it fails...

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You keep coming up with the pluses of summer rugby

 

 

No I don't, I am firmly a winter man. The main problem I have with your inane repetitions is that at the end of the day boring the pants off the undecided will put them firmly in the opposite corner.  If the game remains in summer then I will cope, you will love it for the platform it gives you.

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In my experience participation levels are not the issue. The issue at open age ( but not junior rugby) is consistency of selection. This lack of consistency has lead to a fall in standards. The focus should therefore be on how we can tweak the existing calendar to try and address some of the issues that are affecting availability. The summer set up is still very much in its infancy and should be considered work in progress. IMO clubs and the indiviuduals within them should be working hard to try and iron out issues that were inevitably going to arise after such a switch rather than ( in some cases) working tirelessly to undermine the current set up to try and ensure it fails...

So your putting the blame on the results on the shoulders of the coaches who for some reason are not selecting their best 17 available?

 

Tweaking - Don't make me laugh, all players want to do is play, whether it's in the summer or winter, once the league program starts to get broken here there and everywhere you will see an even greater drift towards winter (RFL selling point, consistent fixtures in the summer) you may ask why I'm saying this and I will tell you to look at the demise of the CMS Yorkshire league and ask why teams at the top end drifted to the Pennine (Don't say to play at a better standard)

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Moving the season to march-nov was not the garlic bread the romantics thought it was every pit fall that was predicted has happened .

The acid test now for the game is to sort out the optimum playing months to take out the bits that are damaging the game .

Problem is who is going to make the first move ?

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Think the small crowd may have something to do with siddals second team playing away in a local derby in their first game back since their season ended

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Funny how it makes financial sense now but when I said it would be better to run with a traditional season and have a summer (jolly) season that would open the game up to union and soccer players (more participation) at a level they would be able to compete at, which would also have their tills ticking over 12 months a year was basically ridiculed.

 

 

Why is it mischievous when clubs have identified that yes summer is definitely the best climate for kids to play and train in but also the most disruptive because of holidays, other family & friendly distractions.

 

I also think your assumption of a Pennine meeting is a little disrespectful to a competition that is run equally as efficient as the NCL and based on a democratic system that allows it's clubs to see the information before a recommendation from the top table and that's without £150,000 worth of RFL money over the last decade or more towards administration (Feed the chickens a little corn)

Is this the same Pennine league that not so long ago accepted a team with the delegates voting on it becuase they wanted them in and as a result the rules for accepting a team have changed.

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Think the small crowd may have something to do with siddals second team playing away in a local derby in their first game back since their season ended

So a smaller crowd than normal seems to be down to it being peak holiday season and the seconds playing a derby game down the road. Glad that's cleared up.

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So your putting the blame on the results on the shoulders of the coaches who for some reason are not selecting their best 17 available?

Tweaking - Don't make me laugh, all players want to do is play, whether it's in the summer or winter, once the league program starts to get broken here there and everywhere you will see an even greater drift towards winter (RFL selling point, consistent fixtures in the summer) you may ask why I'm saying this and I will tell you to look at the demise of the CMS Yorkshire league and ask why teams at the top end drifted to the Pennine (Don't say to play at a better standard)

Where did I say that? The coaches are not selecting their best 17 because their best 17 is rarely available. That's a consistency problem not an issue of participation levels. Clearly it's not a case of players wanting to play be it summer or winter. If that was the case they would play rather than disappear off on a stag do. The issue is greater demands on a players time during peak summer months and whether this (ie the issue of consistency) could be addressed by amending ( or tweaking if you prefer ) the existing programme to provide a period during this peak time where there are limited or no fixtures. IMO that is the most sensible approach than the highly devisive 'return to winter' brigade.

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Is this the same Pennine league that not so long ago accepted a team with the delegates voting on it becuase they wanted them in and as a result the rules for accepting a team have changed.

The decision to allow Queens in to the Pennine has proved to be a good one.

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Where did I say that? The coaches are not selecting their best 17 because their best 17 is rarely available. That's a consistency problem not an issue of participation levels. Clearly it's not a case of players wanting to play be it summer or winter. If that was the case they would play rather than disappear off on a stag do. The issue is greater demands on a players time during peak summer months and whether this (ie the issue of consistency) could be addressed by amending ( or tweaking if you prefer ) the existing programme to provide a period during this peak time where there are limited or no fixtures. IMO that is the most sensible approach than the highly devisive 'return to winter' brigade.

The issue at open age ( but not junior rugby) is consistency of selection. This lack of consistency has lead to a fall in standards -

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Apologies if my posts have been unclear although I doubt many would have interpreted them as a criticism of coaches for not selecting their best 17 as opposed to their best players not consistently being available.....

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Apologies if my posts have been unclear although I doubt many would have interpreted them as a criticism of coaches for not selecting their best 17 as opposed to their best players not consistently being available.....

No problems

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The issue at open age ( but not junior rugby) is consistency of selection. This lack of consistency has lead to a fall in standards -

Let see what the standards of the winter league is this season a few team struggled last year. maybe they were all on winter breaks cos they are cheaper. On another post Marauder you said that your club had 49 players to pick from how many teams are you having this season if only 2 how are you going to keep them all happy.

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Let see what the standards of the winter league is this season a few team struggled last year. maybe they were all on winter breaks cos they are cheaper. On another post Marauder you said that your club had 49 players to pick from how many teams are you having this season if only 2 how are you going to keep them all happy.

We have players who work away,

injuries 

rotation of players,

in the 2nds we have a few ageing players who are willing to stand aside for the young lads and step forward to breach any gaps due to the above.

 

The winter break looks to be over, I saw one of the Queens players at the BARLA over 35's at the Featherstone Lions ground a couple of weeks ago, he looked fit and trim :)

 

I'd like to struggle like the best team in Leeds and come runners up in the Pennine Premier

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Sounds to me like your coach is going to face consistency of selection issues...I hope it doesn't result in a decline in standards.

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Sounds to me like your coach is going to face consistency of selection issues...I hope it doesn't result in a decline in standards.

Our coach selects the best 17 he think he has available.

 

 

The players from last Saturday :) (Without a few who where working or helping Sheffield to 84 - 0 away win.

 

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