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Vasile Andreica

Rugby League rules - some proposals from a new fan

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I agree - the scrum is effectively redundant, and there is little difference in having the forwards clustered nowadays.

Fully agree with the point about finishing a set before the end of the half - I once saw a union match, (a 5-5 draw on kicks), and the only interesting point I found was the play after the 80th minute where the result was in the balance.

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I see games with plenty of people kicking before the last tackle. ...it happens all the time.

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Some of these posts remind of those of a poster who used to be on the forum under a Japanese user name who liked suggesting rule changes....................

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I agree - the scrum is effectively redundant, and there is little difference in having the forwards clustered nowadays.

Fully agree with the point about finishing a set before the end of the half - I once saw a union match, (a 5-5 draw on kicks), and the only interesting point I found was the play after the 80th minute where the result was in the balance.

You must be mistaken. It's impossible to score five points with kicks in rugby union.

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You must be mistaken. It's impossible to score five points with kicks in rugby union.

 

He meant a 15-15 scoreline (5 penalties each, I suppose).

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He meant a 15-15 scoreline (5 penalties each, I suppose).

 

Oh, I see. You must be a smart lad.

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Hopefully not a smartass, like that Japanese guy someone mentioned. I seem to remember him from other sporting forums I read :P

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I think there are some good ideas here, particularly bringing back the 5 yard (or is it metres now?) rule. This could get us away from the five drives and a kick stuff we sometimes see, as the five drives would be less effective. We may even see a return of the creative, crafty half back of the sepia-tinged past.

 

I like the rule about kicking too. More incentive to keep the ball in hand.

 

With regard scrums, I'd actually like to see pushing brought back, but I guess that makes me a bit of a fervent traditionalist. The advantage, though, would be that the forwards would have to pack down rather than the current situation of a prop often being first receiver, leading to the first of the five drives.

 

Another rule change I'd favour - related to the idea of only allowing two defenders in the tackle - is to have a second referee whose responsibility is, primarily, to police the PTB. Too often the defending team clamp the ball while the tacklee is getting up, and I think it's this that slows the PTB down more than the number of defenders involved.

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Ooh. I called myself someone who wears a particular form of low profile headwear, and it came out as "fervent traditionalist". Cool.

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What would you prefer after a 40-20? A scrum which looks more like a glorified PTB anyway, or a proper PTB with an extra tackle?

Most of you seem to miss the point. After the PTB it's going to be tackle ZERO - so effectively you got 7 tackles instead of 6.

A scrum isn't a glorified PTB but a PTB was a mini scrum that's probably why you see a connection.

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A scrum isn't a glorified PTB but a PTB was a mini scrum that's probably why you see a connection.

 

I know, but the Rugby League scrum of nowadays is pretty much a glorified PTB. To my eyes, at least.

 

That's why I proposed an ordinary PTB, but with this punishing caveat: the offending team surrenders a bonus tackle. This is what the current "tackle zero" rule does anyway, when the other team recovers a fumbled ball.

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Some of these posts remind of those of a poster who used to be on the forum under a Japanese user name who liked suggesting rule changes....................

same thoughts as me! ha

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I know, but the Rugby League scrum of nowadays is pretty much a glorified PTB. To my eyes, at least.

I have no problem with the scrum just the way it's reffed. I'm sick of refs coaching players to bind on correctly or get their heads in. I don't mind a fullback going to loose forward but if he doesn't know how to pack down penalise him don't coach him. This way if coaches want to be clever around scrums they would have to make sure the players know what they are doing.

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Pushing at the scrim is still allowed.

Last week Hunslet caught Barrow out in the last couple of minutes winning the ball right under the Barrow posts.

I do like the sound of most of the OP suggestions.

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Scrums are needed, they take 12 players out of the game.

If the ball is kicked dead I'd like to see the game restarted from where the kick was made, or 30m from the goal line - whichever is the further.

The original poster is about as genuine as Jordan's knockers, or Kath Hetherington's smile.

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Some of these posts remind of those of a poster who used to be on the forum under a Japanese user name who liked suggesting rule changes....................

The proposals are a lot more thought out though.

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Scrums are needed, they take 12 players out of the game.

If the ball is kicked dead I'd like to see the game restarted from where the kick was made, or 30m from the goal line - whichever is the further.

The original poster is about as genuine as Jordan's knockers, or Kath Hetherington's smile.

 

I am a bit confused about the last sentence - care to elaborate?

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Scrums are needed, they take 12 players out of the game.

If the ball is kicked dead I'd like to see the game restarted from where the kick was made, or 30m from the goal line - whichever is the further.

The original poster is about as genuine as Jordan's knockers, or Kath Hetherington's smile.

Not sure. The Japanese poster was an obvious troll; if this is trolling it's pretty skilful - I think some of the suggestions have merit. Agree with you about the need for scrums though.

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He meant a 15-15 scoreline (5 penalties each, I suppose).

Yes :) Although there may have been a drop goal too...

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Now that the OP has shown bona fides can we go back to discussing some of the suggestions? I have always been agnostic on the 10 metre rule and would be interested in seeing how a game with restricted tacklers in 5 metres would work. Not that it's likely to happen.

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I have seen footage from the 80s when the ball was kicked back immediately after kickoff. Also, there were inventive string passing plays even at the 1st tackle.

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There is a danger of generalising from watching old footage on YouTube or elsewhere because not many people post anything other than the most outstanding plays. Watching the 1982 Kangaroos, there is some brilliantly inventive back play under the 5 metre rule, but this is the absolute pinnacle. Many of the games I watched in the 70s and 80s involved a midfield slog in the mud with the wingers barely getting a sniff of the ball.

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I've said for a while they're shouldn't be a Scrum after a knock on, hand the ball over and carry on. They're should should be Scrum after a kick into touch, its a skill and can be used as a defensive tactic.

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