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It was like the Burgess show against the Titans with Sam getting 2 and George 1 while all three were involved in everything!

I've no faith in MacNamara picking the right combination of forwards, his ridiculous handling of Brough and his terrible use of Widdop in the last 4Ns shows how clueless he is, he'll probably overlook George in favour of Morley.

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why will having Luke Burgess in the squad boost the overall team?

cos the more players we have that are used to smashing into the aussies week in week out,players who can sit in a dressingroom and say "c'mon lads they are'nt the supermen you believe them to be" will boost team moral.....plus he's a burgess lol

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cos the more players we have that are used to smashing into the aussies week in week out,players who can sit in a dressingroom and say "c'mon lads they are'nt the supermen you believe them to be" will boost team moral.....plus he's a burgess lol

I completely disagree with this. Players should be picked on their playing form only in my opinion. If Luke comes back, plays enough games and shows himself to be better than Mossop, Hill et al then pick him, otherwise the top UK based props should be selected.

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cos the more players we have that are used to smashing into the aussies week in week out,players who can sit in a dressingroom and say "c'mon lads they are'nt the supermen you believe them to be" will boost team moral.....plus he's a burgess lol

Personally if I was Hill or Mossop I'd be thinking that if Luke Burgess can do well in the NRL then I have nothing to worry about, and you don't need him sitting in the changing rooms with them to tell them that.

 

I love watching the Burgess brothers for Souths, and I think Sam and George are certainties, but I think it is disrespectful to the likes of Hill and Mossop (amongst others) to want to give two world cup spots to two players who have played three games between them so far this year simply because their name is Burgess.

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McNamara's selections haven;t been anywhere near as outlandish as some on here would have you believe.

 

There have been many coaches who have questioned Brough's work ethic - maybe it's because I'm a Wire fan and he never shows up against us, but I just don't see him doing it in big games.

 

Widdop is a funny one - I'd play him, but then his place went to the Man of Steel - so again, I suspect McNamara isn't on his own. (let's not do this whole discussion again though!).

 

McNamara has used well over 50 players I think it was when I looked in the last 3 years, he doesn't play it safe.

 

I'm certainly no massive fan of him, but I find it mad that people will ignore the performances at Wembley and Hull in the last 4N just so they can get petty digs in.

 

On the forwards, I do agree with some here that I would go for a huge pack to charge into the Aussies and that would feature Sam and George Burgess, I'd rather we have a pack like this than one with JJB, Wilkin and Farrell.

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I'd have Sam Burgess in the 2nd row. O'Loughlin at 13.

Hill, Mossop, G Burgess and Graham are 4 good props. Room for another in the squad - Crabtree?

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I'd have Sam Burgess in the 2nd row. O'Loughlin at 13.

Hill, Mossop, G Burgess and Graham are 4 good props. Room for another in the squad - Crabtree?

Yes - I'd have Crabtree in there, I also think you may need another one for the whole squad too.

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McNamara's selections haven;t been anywhere near as outlandish as some on here would have you believe.

 

There have been many coaches who have questioned Brough's work ethic - maybe it's because I'm a Wire fan and he never shows up against us, but I just don't see him doing it in big games.

 

Widdop is a funny one - I'd play him, but then his place went to the Man of Steel - so again, I suspect McNamara isn't on his own. (let's not do this whole discussion again though!).

 

McNamara has used well over 50 players I think it was when I looked in the last 3 years, he doesn't play it safe.

 

I'm certainly no massive fan of him, but I find it mad that people will ignore the performances at Wembley and Hull in the last 4N just so they can get petty digs in.

 

On the forwards, I do agree with some here that I would go for a huge pack to charge into the Aussies and that would feature Sam and George Burgess, I'd rather we have a pack like this than one with JJB, Wilkin and Farrell.

Brough has been THE stand out player in SL this year and has been one of the best for 4 or 5 seasons, McNamaras handling of him has been outrageous and not selecting him in a 40 man train on squad was a public insult!

Using Widdop, one of the best stand offs in the NRL, for a handfull of minutes a game betrays his stupidity!

You think that the continuous selection of JJB, Wilkin and Ablett amongst others isn't questionable!

His selection of Chase smacks of desperation!

Trawling Australia and NZ in search of players he can coax into the England camp is embarrassing!

Painting himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as Capt 18 months ago was about as daft as it gets, we now have a player who's been woefully out of form all season, outplayed by Brough on a number of occasions, but he's guaranteed to start for England.

We haven't performed as a team unless its been against substandard opposition and when meeting any team which contains quality we've struggled or been beaten.

Why should I or anyone else have any faith in the England Coach, a bloke who got the job because there was no one else, who was out of his depth at Bradford and who is so monumentally out of touch that he publicly disrespected the very fans that he wants to turn up and support his team.

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We haven't performed as a team unless its been against substandard opposition and when meeting any team which contains quality we've struggled or been beaten.

 

Did you not watch the last 4N?

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Did you not watch the last 4N?

I watched, I'm not impressed by McNamara one iota!

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I watched, I'm not impressed by McNamara one iota!

Personally I enjoyed our performance against the Aussies at Wembley, and thought we were brilliant against the Kiwis - disappointing again against the Aussies in the final, but that's the same under better managers.

 

I find it strange that you weren;t impressed with those two games, but hey that's your opinion.

 

Anyway, keep it down, there's a match on!!!  :tongue:

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the biggest worry for me is the fitness of james roby....

if he's not fit then id move sinfield to hooker and that'll open up a spot for someone at 6

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is George a starting prop? Not seen all the games for souths but he seems to make a great impact stepping off the bench.

I think that he could (and does) do a great job in either role.

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the biggest worry for me is the fitness of james roby....

if he's not fit then id move sinfield to hooker and that'll open up a spot for someone at 6

shaun lunt, danny houghton or even in his current form mickey higham.......all speacialist 9's who should start well before sinfield.

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I think that he could (and does) do a great job in either role.

I think so too, however I like the idea of him coming off the bench and giving the Aussies something to think about. The benefit of having him on the bench is that you can use him tactically. If we are on the back foot defending, keep him off a touch until we get a spell with the ball. By starting a player like this you can water down the effectiveness imho.

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I think so too, however I like the idea of him coming off the bench and giving the Aussies something to think about. The benefit of having him on the bench is that you can use him tactically. If we are on the back foot defending, keep him off a touch until we get a spell with the ball. By starting a player like this you can water down the effectiveness imho.

It doesn't really matter if he starts or not as long as he's getting enough minutes. George and James Graham are our two best props, but both typically start on the bench for their club sides.

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as has already been said eorl crabtree should be in the 17 he has tremendous presence and would be brilliant as an impact from the bench...

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It doesn't really matter if he starts or not as long as he's getting enough minutes. George and James Graham are our two best props, but both typically start on the bench for their club sides.

Well I think it does. Playing the first 20 minutes is quite different to playing the 2nd 20 minutes. George may not yet be up to starting a Test match, but I have no doubts he could come off the bench and do an excellent job.

 

I'd have a pack of:

 

Graham

Roby

Hill/Mossop

S Burgess

Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

Houghton/Lunt

Crabtree

G Burgess

 

Big pack to start with a couple of big lads off the bench, keep pounding and trying to tire them out. As solid as the likes of JJB, Wilkin and Farrell are, they are not going to wear the Aussies out or put them on their ass and hurt them.

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Well I think it does. Playing the first 20 minutes is quite different to playing the 2nd 20 minutes. George may not yet be up to starting a Test match, but I have no doubts he could come off the bench and do an excellent job.

 

I'd have a pack of:

 

Graham

Roby

Hill/Mossop

S Burgess

Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

Houghton/Lunt

Crabtree

G Burgess

 

Big pack to start with a couple of big lads off the bench, keep pounding and trying to tire them out. As solid as the likes of JJB, Wilkin and Farrell are, they are not going to wear the Aussies out or put them on their ass and hurt them.

 Im still not convinced about Hill - granted, i've not seen him play every game, but what I have seen he just seems a good prop, one of many we are lucky to have.

 

Personally in the 17 I would have;

 

S.Burgess, Roby, Graham

Ellis, Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

G.Burgess, E.Crabtree, Houghton,

 

And then one of

 

L.Burgess, T.Burgess (both dependent on form from here on), Hill, Lynch, Mossop, Carvell or Morley.

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It doesn't really matter if he starts or not as long as he's getting enough minutes. George and James Graham are our two best props, but both typically start on the bench for their club sides.

Graham has been a starting prop for most of this season. It's the best way to use him he's a grinder doesn't really have the game to have a big impact off the bench. George on the other hand is much more suited to coming off the bench and having a big impact. Even though he's been starting the last few weeks he would be better utilised for England off the bench.

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Im still not convinced about Hill - granted, i've not seen him play every game, but what I have seen he just seems a good prop, one of many we are lucky to have.

Personally in the 17 I would have;

S.Burgess, Roby, Graham

Ellis, Westwood

O'Loughlin

G.Burgess, E.Crabtree, Houghton,

And then one of

L.Burgess, T.Burgess (both dependent on form from here on), Hill, Lynch, Mossop, Carvell or Morley.

I would have Hill as starting prop think he's been good for a couple of years. Don't think Ellis has done enough to be considered yet and not 100% sure about Westwood. I would also say Roby needs to get some games and form under his belt before being picked.

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 Im still not convinced about Hill - granted, i've not seen him play every game, but what I have seen he just seems a good prop, one of many we are lucky to have.

 

Personally in the 17 I would have;

 

S.Burgess, Roby, Graham

Ellis, Westwood

O'Loughlin

 

G.Burgess, E.Crabtree, Houghton,

 

And then one of

 

L.Burgess, T.Burgess (both dependent on form from here on), Hill, Lynch, Mossop, Carvell or Morley.

 

Is Roby even going to be fit for the World Cup? If not I would have McIllurom and Higham. On form Ellis doesn't deserve a spot imo.

 

Graham, McIllurom, Mossop

Westwood, S.Burgess

O'Loughlin

 

G. Burgess, Hill, Hock, Higham

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