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No I wont answer your question, ill let you assume you know what you know then correct you again when your wrong, its becoming the norm anyway

 

“Community Game  Regulatory Group”

 

means a committee drawn from representatives of the Management Groups to review and develop these Operational Rules;

 

 

So what position do you hold that qualifies you to sit on the Regulatory Group? Its no game Stuart its a straightforward question which seems you are finding extremely difficult to answer, do you not meet the official criteria?

 

Also outside of your role at BARLA as Youth & Junior Rep that finished earlier this year what other positions have you held in any official capacity within the game?

 

Clearly positions within these arena's should have criteria attached to them, if Joe Bloggs can sit on these panels then surely there needs to be an open and transparent process, if not what criteria is required and how do you meet that criteria?

 

I find it very odd that someone who seems not to meet any apparent criteria, currently holds no official poisition and refuses to answer how they qualify to sit on the regulatory group, openly advocates that they carry considerable influence in certain very important area's?

 

Questionable at the very least!!!

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But Jason you see I am part of a Management group and have been for the past two years. One that has quietly got on with its work with little fuss and made big changes to the sport.I think if I am honest only a couple have complained at the outcomes of that one, but before you run away thinking its just with the RFL well no it isn't because BARLA also sit on the management group.

 

I don't find it extremely difficult to give you an answer I just refuse to tell the whole story because you paranoia runs so deep your head would explode and I don't want to be responsible for a melt down.

 

Consider this my signing off because as honest as you want to be with people you always get it thrown back in your face or you are perceived to be the devil reincarnate,

 

I'm not that person I'm a genuine guy with a concern for the game, most like you, its a pity you cant see it.

 

Ill leave you with a sense of victory, because that's what you will believe, and bid you farewell.

 

Cya

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Can't believe you've just done a Del Capo!!  :bye:

 

The fact of the matter is very simple Stuart, you don't meet the criteria and can't explain how you have appeared to manufacture a seat on this committee, so people will question, quite rightly might I add, why you believe you have significant influence in arena's that ultimately affect the game as a whole, when officially you represent nobody.

 

So as I pointed out earlier, it is very questionable and should have some clarity attached to it.

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Surely we need the best people possible sitting on these management groups for what it is worth I would rather have Stuart fighting our corner than batting for the darkside .

Lets spend our time getting things right for the game, working together instead of flexing our muscles .

For what it is worth if you two put your heads together you would form quite a formidable partnership and take the game forward your not miles apart in your opinions its just your approach that's needs a little tweaking.

And for you 4 of Us speak to your mate Wilber re the EGM position there are reasons as to why its on hold .

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Thanks for that Nec, I don't visit the RFL site perhaps I need to if its the only way a league administrator can find out information which is relevant to the game we administer .

The power of google

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And for you 4 of Us speak to your mate Wilber re the EGM position there are reasons as to why its on hold .

I'm aware of them TE.

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If Barla are behind this, which group of blazeaucrats are campaigning most against it? Or is it just individual malcontents at individual clubs?

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If Barla are behind this, which group of blazeaucrats are campaigning most against it?

To be fair I think most of Barla's time at the moment will be taken up with the Pennine League takeover debate.

To its detriment I gain the impression that its become very Yorkshire centric over the last few years with the result it's become distracted with pursuing the Winter/Summer debate against the RFL. Imagine all them Yorkshiremon rowing with Yorkshiremon!

Or is it just individual malcontents at individual clubs?

LC will no doubt chip in st this point but there doesn't to be an overwhelming head of steam to make more changes ( such as the playing season ) . When I was at the last NWC meeting I heard a number of others saying they just wanted to play and shaking their heads at the cluster of hands that kept shooting up to try and take the meeting into EGM territory.

There was an acknowledgement there needed to be some changes , I don't think anyone seriously believes there have not been done difficulties, but not baby with bath water stuff.

I know individuals at one of my old playing clubs were less than convinced about a move to summer. I think they actually voted against, but they have now added a couple of junior teams and doubled their open age meaning they're looking at an A Team. There are a lot of successes out there. Problem is people, as happens in most walks of life, only see news in the bad.

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Pity M. You seem keen to do things properly. This is what is/was required for LC to take the next step. Or would you prefer for people speaking sense to be drowned out by those who have nothing to say but say it the loudest?

Can you quieten down a little please so I can hear Lord Charles.

 

Revealing your plans to early is like making love, arrive to early and your not much good.

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You are not laying siege to Buenos Aires, you are trying to win an argument about changes to a sport's operational rules; do you not think some of your language ref 'revealing your plans' might be over-egging it a bit?

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You are not laying siege to Buenos Aires, you are trying to win an argument about changes to a sport's operational rules; do you not think some of your language ref 'revealing your plans' might be over-egging it a bit?

Not at all.

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You are not laying siege to Buenos Aires, you are trying to win an argument about changes to a sport's operational rules; do you not think some of your language ref 'revealing your plans' might be over-egging it a bit?

 

Not laying siege in Buenos Aires we'll leave them to their kick and clap game, which by the way, has been greatly assisted in the north of England by the "RFL's summer switch"

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Not laying siege in Buenos Aires we'll leave them to their kick and clap game, which by the way, has been greatly assisted in the north of England by the "RFL's summer switch"

It's certainly assisted those union players that wanted to try league out in their off season. In places where the league clubs are full of friendly, welcoming people without a chip on their shoulder that seems to be paying dividends ...

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Union and league both benefit with the summer switch , with loads of League lads switching to union in the winter .

The four seasons concept which seems to have been lost in the debate should allow individual leagues to operate in the best fit scenario .

Back to topic then ;

B1:2 START AND END OF SEASON

B1:2:1 The RFL will determine the date of commencement of the Season and the date on which it shall cease. Any application to play outside of these dates must be approved by the respective Management Group.

So reading that as a volunteer run league why should we have the right to determine what is best for us taken away from us ?

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If Barla are behind this, which group of blazeaucrats are campaigning most against it?

To be fair I think most of Barla's time at the moment will be taken up with the Pennine League takeover debate.

To its detriment I gain the impression that its become very Yorkshire centric over the last few years with the result it's become distracted with pursuing the Winter/Summer debate against the RFL. Imagine all them Yorkshiremon rowing with Yorkshiremon!

Or is it just individual malcontents at individual clubs?

LC will no doubt chip in st this point but there doesn't to be an overwhelming head of steam to make more changes ( such as the playing season ) . When I was at the last NWC meeting I heard a number of others saying they just wanted to play and shaking their heads at the cluster of hands that kept shooting up to try and take the meeting into EGM territory.

There was an acknowledgement there needed to be some changes , I don't think anyone seriously believes there have not been done difficulties, but not baby with bath water stuff.

I know individuals at one of my old playing clubs were less than convinced about a move to summer. I think they actually voted against, but they have now added a couple of junior teams and doubled their open age meaning they're looking at an A Team. There are a lot of successes out there. Problem is people, as happens in most walks of life, only see news in the bad.

Out of interest how are numbers at the Pats have you lost or gained with the summer switch ?

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Out of interest how are numbers at the Pats have you lost or gained with the summer switch ?

Added a couple of younger age groups I think.

We dropped 16's this year but that's because we'd lost players to other teams of the last couple of seasons. Nothing to do with the Winter/Summer thing. Other matters at play.

We looked to run 2 18's teams early on but now just one. A bit ambitious but we had the numbers down. Again not summer issues but lads having other things to do other than training and playing, including but in no particular order girlsfriends, socialising, work and college. All stuff of course that is involved 12 months a year.

Numbers look pretty healthy as far as I'm aware. Pitches have never looked better ( and I go back 30 years to playing days ) and club seems to be going very well.

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It's certainly assisted those union players that wanted to try league out in their off season. In places where the league clubs are full of friendly, welcoming people without a chip on their shoulder that seems to be paying dividends ...

 

It should certainly be paying dividends to your kicking game

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Added a couple of younger age groups I think.

We dropped 16's this year but that's because we'd lost players to other teams of the last couple of seasons. Nothing to do with the Winter/Summer thing. Other matters at play.

We looked to run 2 18's teams early on but now just one. A bit ambitious but we had the numbers down. Again not summer issues but lads having other things to do other than training and playing, including but in no particular order girlsfriends, socialising, work and college. All stuff of course that is involved 12 months a year.

Numbers look pretty healthy as far as I'm aware. Pitches have never looked better ( and I go back 30 years to playing days ) and club seems to be going very well.

So that translates to losing two teams nothing to do with playing in a summer season really ?

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So that translates to losing two teams nothing to do with playing in a summer season really ?

If you read it again. I say we've added younger teams. The 16's team went in Feb and the 18's in April. Summer?

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Nowt wrong with my understanding of what you have put , you just seem to be skirting round the issue, when was the last time St Pats did not run a youth team at U16s ?

You started the summer season with two teams at U18s which dropped to one , granted not to the proposed operational rules but a loss of two teams at your club whichever way you look at it , you have added a U7s in the latter end of the summer .

This is not an attack on St Pats but just me trying to get you to look at the true picture quoting whats going at other clubs whilst not acknowledging whats going on at your own.

St Pats are a solid club always have been but when clubs like Brook and yourselves lose teams then surely we need to start asking why ?

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Nowt wrong with my understanding of what you have put , you just seem to be skirting round the issue, when was the last time St Pats did not run a youth team at U16s ?

A while I would think, but that particular team had been going in the wrong direction for literally 3 years. A good year or so before the summer start and more actually to do with "good" players seeking a "good" team for scholarship purposes. One other local team had actually recruited 4 such players from us over 2 years.

You started the summer season with two teams at U18s which dropped to one , granted not to the proposed operational rules but a loss of two teams at your club whichever way you look at it , you have added a U7s in the latter end of the summer .

And the year before I don't think we had run a full 18's and had a very limited number. So we went from a dozen 18's to nearly 50 players in 12 months "despite" the summer season and having actually had a large cohort from last season's National Cup winning team having signed pro.

Keeping 2 teams interested depends on other teams committing to fixtures and players not having other things to do. As I say "summer" issues don't really seem to have been the problem.

In fact one team who had not been able to commit to matches in March, April, were able to do so once players had "returned from University" for the summer. To follow that logic the team would have difficulties fielding any team during the University year which happens largely to co-incide with a "winter" season.

It's swings and roundabout. Having committed to the summer, should we not give it a proper go. We seem to lose sight if the fact that the move to summer was proceeded by clubs saying they were losing numbers.

The problem with stats is that they depend on accurate information. A lot has been made of recent figures showing a decline leading to a withdrawal of Sport England money from the RFL, yet at the same time there seems to be at least some acknowledgment that the original Sport England monies were based on "over egged" figures, as was the position with other sports who also lost some funding.

If matters have not improved over 3 or 4 full seasons then the issue clearly needs looking at, but until people commit and give it a proper go we'll never know what is the best for the sport.

I remember the last full Winter season we did not play any competitive rugby from November until mid-March. That is when you lose players, which I think was acknowledged when the extended mid-summer break was removed this year.

The players want to know that they'll have a game after training all week. A full fixture list without extended breaks will keep their enthusiam.

As for those under 7's ( and our cubs from 3,4,5 years ) they are the future of the sport. Would parents bring them out at 6 on a January evening?

I appreciate it will be more difficult for older players to adjust their habits and done sadly may have been lost to the sport, but others as I have alluded to earlier have been gained. But within a generation the bulk of players are likely to come from a time when they've only known a March- September season.

New "traditions"?

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So to summarise the lack of meaningful fixtures is a problem as is the un availability of players especially at youth .

As for the importance of investing into cubs who was it it tied the RFL into developing a structured program ?

As for your question re bringing your children to clubs in winter then the answer is yes because all responsible clubs provide indoor facilities as they have done for many years .

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So to summarise the lack of meaningful fixtures is a problem as is the un availability of players especially at youth .

Yes. But not a summer only issue.

As for the importance of investing into cubs who was it it tied the RFL into developing a structured program ?

Not sure what you mean?

As for your question re bringing your children to clubs in winter then the answer is yes because all responsible clubs provide indoor facilities as they have done for many years

A great expense. £20 plus a session for 16 weeks with no game , or running around in the early evening sun on the grass in June.

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