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Challange Cup Final Trip

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Rochdale Hornets are running a trip to the Tetley Challenge Cup final. Hull F C have won through, and will face Wigan Warriors at Wembley. You can be there for £55 (£5 discount for Hornets members.) This includes match ticket, return coach travel and, breakfast at Hemel Stags. It's Lancashire v Yorkshire. Who can resist? Call the Hornets office on 01706 648 004 to book your place.for more information.

http://www.hornetsrugbyleague.co.uk/page.php?id=2246

You would be more than welcome to join us on our trip to Wembley.

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Rochdale Hornets are running a trip to the Tetley Challenge Cup final. Hull F C have won through, and will face Wigan Warriors at Wembley. You can be there for £55 (£5 discount for Hornets members.) This includes match ticket, return coach travel and, breakfast at Hemel Stags. It's Lancashire v Yorkshire. Who can resist? Call the Hornets office on 01706 648 004 to book your place.for more information.

http://www.hornetsrugbyleague.co.uk/page.php?id=2246

You would be more than welcome to join us on our trip to Wembley.

 

No thanks, the Challenge Cup final at Wembley lost its once magical appeal many years ago, especially when the dreaded, so-called Super League was brought in with the primary objective of making huge amounts of money for the commercial sector (Sky etc) to the almost total detriment of the sport (more of a way of life really). British rugby league has since been ruined in my opinion by the over exposure to bad Australian influences and their way of playing the game. I won’t even watch it on telly, it’s that lacking in any real appeal. :nono:

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Think I agree with that.

 

Thanks Rooster, I'm glad someone sees it the way I do sometimes.

 

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Besides, there's not been a decent final since 1928.

You youngsters haven't got a clue - it's been downhill since 1896.

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No thanks, the Challenge Cup final at Wembley lost its once magical appeal many years ago, especially when the dreaded, so-called Super League was brought in with the primary objective of making huge amounts of money for the commercial sector (Sky etc) to the almost total detriment of the sport (more of a way of life really). British rugby league has since been ruined in my opinion by the over exposure to bad Australian influences and their way of playing the game. I won’t even watch it on telly, it’s that lacking in any real appeal. :nono:

 

Keith, pray tell me................

 

Pre=Super League, when did Liverpool City, Blackpool Borough, Doncaster grace Wembley?

 

The "big" clubs still got there, so to blame SL is wrong!

 

I'll be at Wembley, as I am every year, I'll be (proudly) wearing my Swinton shirt, as I do every year, for the Greatest Game on the Planet's biggest day!

 

Spelly.

 

 

 

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The Warrington v Hull semi was fantastic entertainment

Im just watching an outstanding half back display from Aussie Michael Dobson against Wigan .

I really think I'm watching something different when I come on here.

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Come on Blue Monkey are you seriously telling us that the pre Super League era with pot bellied out of shape forwards gave us a better product than what we have today? Everything evolves and improves!

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As regards Wembley trips Alan Marshall runs a tee total Wembley trip in conjunction with Kearsley Christian Fellowship! I'm on it this year and looking forward to spreading the gospel up Wembley way!

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Super League has (1) not closed the gap at international level (2) put paid to the regular cycle of Ashes tours (3) marginalised clubs outside of SL, with many fans lost to game at championship level (4) created a closed shop of selfish clubs (5) created a stale SL with meaningless fixtures which allows clubs to win title from 5th place or constantly fail on pitch with no fear of demotion (5) contributed directly and indirectly to abandonment of reserve teams and player participation (6) sky Tv now the puppet master rather than the RFL (7) encouraged clubs to pay millions on journey-men Aussies rather than the development of the sport (8) and most modern SL fans wouldn't give two hoots if Swinton and the like didnt exist so I'm ******* if I'm gonna attend the CC Final or "magic"!! Weekend or the "grand" final or whatever. I could probably go on. I love RL the game but not the sport it's become.

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I think that there are two arguments here
The commercialisation of our sport and the actual playing of the game itself

I agree super league has done little but be a selfish sucker up of funding for a dozen clubs anxious to protect their own interests

The game itself still provides some fantastic entertainment.
To say all things Aussie are bad is jingoism and to me simply is not true. Their players are hugely talented and to me we definitely need to learn from them not move away from them

Finally we need to cheer up
 

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Super League has (1) not closed the gap at international level (2) put paid to the regular cycle of Ashes tours (3) marginalised clubs outside of SL, with many fans lost to game at championship level (4) created a closed shop of selfish clubs (5) created a stale SL with meaningless fixtures which allows clubs to win title from 5th place or constantly fail on pitch with no fear of demotion (5) contributed directly and indirectly to abandonment of reserve teams and player participation (6) sky Tv now the puppet master rather than the RFL (7) encouraged clubs to pay millions on journey-men Aussies rather than the development of the sport ( 8) and most modern SL fans wouldn't give two hoots if Swinton and the like didnt exist so I'm ******* if I'm gonna attend the CC Final or "magic"!! Weekend or the "grand" final or whatever. I could probably go on. I love RL the game but not the sport it's become.

 

Totally agree with yet another spot on posting from SW

 

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We can knock the administrators for what they are dong and have done to the game but in my opinion as rugby league fans we should applaud our current game and its great players - I love watching Swinton first but also love what I see on Sky and am in awe of what our great athletes do week in week out.

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My grief is with the game's administrators. The SL deal IMO has, on the whole, not been good for the game. I think it helps to be critical at times. A government without credible opposition could get up to all sorts of mischief! I'd be genuinely interested to hear Phil's opinion on this subject?

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Sport moves on.

Sadly the RL was happy to take Sky monies and once that happend a different piper called the tune.

There have been some plusses for the RL,summer rugby for one but the inability to fairly distribute the cash from Sky is in my opinion a massive negative leading to teams in the lower leagues struggling although in fairness the management of those teams hasn't helped.

That I guess can be contrasted with the plights of Salford and Bradford who despite picking up a good wedge of Sky cash have still nearly gone bust.

I have to agree that physically the players are much better but I also think a lot of the skills are now coached out of them.

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Repeat after me: Real rugby has real scrums!

 

Yeah, where Lindop / Thompson / Clay weren't happy till we'd wasted forever trying to get the scrum-half to throw it in "legally" and get the hooker to bind in accordance with the laws, and then blowing up for "feeding" or "feet-up" . Scrums were / are a blot on RL, and the sooner they're despatched to the history books, the better our game will become! 

 

Today's players are fitter / faster / leaner, and yes better, than their counterparts when you / Keith / I were first cutting our teeth on the terraces at Station Road, and the game is a better spectacle for it!

 

Tell me Sam Tomkins has no flair! Name me one from the (so-called) good old days who was a better captain / leader / goalkicker than Kevin Sinfield!

 

Let's compare other sports - Snooker - Joe Davies dominated the game for yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears, and yet in all that time, managed just one maximum break. Ronnie O'Sullivan has done eleven!

 

Darts - Phil Taylor and Co have put about ten points on the three dart averages from when Eric Bristow and his cohorts were toeing the oche!

 

Athletics - Roger Bannister had not even rounded the last bend in the times that are regularly being run by the guys of today. Usain Bolt is half a second quicker over 100 metres than when Lunch-Box Linford won his gold medal!

 

Swimming - Mark Spitz won seven gold medals, all in world record times at the Munich Olympics, but he could only have dreamt of the times that are set now!

 

If other sports have improved, why has in your (and Keith's) opinion, RL gone backwards? The answer is (in my opinion) it hasn't, and is far better in 2013, than it was in 1963!

 

Spelly.

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Very well put Spelly

I think to sum up.. we would be happier if we had an unselfish governing body which had moved with the times as much as the sports science and the athletes themselves have.

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Very well put Spelly

I think to sum up.. we would be happier if we had an unselfish governing body which had moved with the times as much as the sports science and the athletes themselves have.

 

Then I would be a happy man! But I'm not gonna hold my breath!

 

Spelly.

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Yeah, where Lindop / Thompson / Clay weren't happy till we'd wasted forever trying to get the scrum-half to throw it in "legally" and get the hooker to bind in accordance with the laws, and then blowing up for "feeding" or "feet-up" . Scrums were / are a blot on RL, and the sooner they're despatched to the history books, the better our game will become! 

 

Today's players are fitter / faster / leaner, and yes better, than their counterparts when you / Keith / I were first cutting our teeth on the terraces at Station Road, and the game is a better spectacle for it!

 

Tell me Sam Tomkins has no flair! Name me one from the (so-called) good old days who was a better captain / leader / goalkicker than Kevin Sinfield!

 

Let's compare other sports - Snooker - Joe Davies dominated the game for yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears, and yet in all that time, managed just one maximum break. Ronnie O'Sullivan has done eleven!

 

Darts - Phil Taylor and Co have put about ten points on the three dart averages from when Eric Bristow and his cohorts were toeing the oche!

 

Athletics - Roger Bannister had not even rounded the last bend in the times that are regularly being run by the guys of today. Usain Bolt is half a second quicker over 100 metres than when Lunch-Box Linford won his gold medal!

 

Swimming - Mark Spitz won seven gold medals, all in world record times at the Munich Olympics, but he could only have dreamt of the times that are set now!

 

If other sports have improved, why has in your (and Keith's) opinion, RL gone backwards? The answer is (in my opinion) it hasn't, and is far better in 2013, than it was in 1963!

 

Spelly.

To my friend Spelly:

Why pick 1963? How about the 1990s? Are you claiming that today's game is better than that

played under the rules existing for the 1990 GB v Aus. Ashes series? I would have to

respectfully disagree. That could be the best RL ever seen, at least in my lifetime. Certainly the most competitive. By the way, I was at Wembley for what I refer to as the Ellery Hanley

Test in 1990 and the 1992 World Cup Final. I remember Hanley fooling the whole Aussie team

with a great move from the scrum.

I can't for the life of me see what was wrong with the game then that justified such massive

changes. Help me out!

Is it better that there are no more tours? Is it better that the British Lions now play under the RU banner? That RU has taken so much prominence that it's about to be an Olympic sport?

It may be Rugby Yawnion to you but it's rugby takeover to me.

Sam Tomkins has flair, yes. More than Andy Gregory or Alex Murphy or Dave Bolton, or Daz

Davies or Danny Wilson or Wally Lewis? Who knows, it's one opinion versus another and

comparing generations is a no win game.

Kevin Sinfield? Great player. Better leader than Ellery Hanley? Opinion! How many wingers

today are better than Martin Offiah, centres better than Mal Meninga?

For me, RL stands for Rugby Lite and has since 1996!

My vote is to go back to RL as it existed prior to SL, scrums and all!

That doesn't mean I support the Lions any less than I did in the 60s. The two subjects are

unrelated!

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To my mate across the Pond!

 

I've not pressed "Quote" as it'll save a shed-load of space!

 

You mentioned Ellery, and to me, he is (was?) the greatest player ever to grace our game, but that was two decades ago, the football of today is so much faster now, so could he live with it?

 

Greg was the tops in his day, but I doubt he could cope with RL's modern pace!

 

When asked "What's your best ever team?"  my answer is always "The '82 Aussies." These guys went through the best that GB could throw at 'em like a dose of salts, winning every match they played, but (and it's all about opinions I agree) I think 31 years on, the game they played would look pedestrian compared with the class of 2013! 

 

Would you really like to go back to contested scrums? I certainly wouldn't!  Unlimited tackles? The standard of tactical kicking has improved immeasurably since that was binned, and the 40/20 rule must be one of the best innovations in the sport's rich history! 

 

We'll never see eye to eye on this I know, but I look forward  to your next visit, when we can (yet again) try to convince each other!  

 

Keep smiling mon ami!

 

Spelly..

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That players are fitter, faster, stronger today is down to leaps forward in sports science. Given the same advantages of course class players from yesteryear could play in the modern era. And fitter, faster, stronger does not equal "better" or more entertaining. For the same reason it's unfair to compare endurance sports such as running, swimming & cycling over different periods. In other sports the top men have been able to take advantage of being able to practice as full-time professionals, rather than part-timers with other jobs.

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