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That players are fitter, faster, stronger today is down to leaps forward in sports science. Given the same advantages of course class players from yesteryear could play in the modern era. And fitter, faster, stronger does not equal "better" or more entertaining. For the same reason it's unfair to compare endurance sports such as running, swimming & cycling over different periods. In other sports the top men have been able to take advantage of being able to practice as full-time professionals, rather than part-timers with other jobs.

Not to mention the impact of PEDs!

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To Spelly. Unfortunately the switch from Sunday to Thursday for the York match has denied me the opportunity for my annual pilgrimage to see the Lions play and the opportunity to buy you a pint.

Is it true the club doesn't get any money from TV? 

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Doug,

 

That's a real downer you can't make a game this term, especially as it's a proverbial six-pointer.

 

Maybe by next season our (widely differing) views might have mellowed, but there again..................... :tongue:

 

As far as I know, you're right that the club(s) get nowt from the Premier Sport televised games.

 

Spelly.

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and I though Doug was called Geoff ?  :tongue:

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That players are fitter, faster, stronger today is down to leaps forward in sports science.

 

 And fitter, faster, stronger does not equal "better" or more entertaining. 

 

Exactly, I've been saying it for years. They churn out players today who are basically strong, fit ATHLETES, not strong, fit RUGBY FOOTBALLERS as they used to do when the game was far better IMO.

 

Rugby footballers used to create and score cracking tries using old fashioned, now outdated, little tricks such as a sudden change of pace, a sidestep or a swerve to wrong foot defenders.

 

These days RL playing athletes only move in straight lines and pass the ball as if they are programmed robots having had a special Aussie-Sky TV microchip implanted in their unimaginative brains (if they've got one - a brain, that is).

 

:tease:   

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and I though Doug was called Geoff ?  :tongue:

Doug/Geoff heard from his airline today that the schedule has changed meaning an earlier arrival and the distinct possibility of making the York match with time to spare.

 

How would I get to and from LSV from our central Manchester hotel?

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Take a number 12, 25, 26 or x34 bus from Piccadilly to Leigh bus station. Journey will take about an hour and even take you through Swinton! Timetable on First Bus Manchester website.. A day saver will cost £4. Or Taxi for probably about 10 times that amount each way.

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I guess when I was watching Michael Dobson step swerve and side step on Friday night I was imagining things

Jamie Soward

Justin Carney

Brett Hodgson

Joel Monaghan

Michael monaghan

Well its 6am and I've not even started....you can watch some pretty varied skills frim these few without even stretching your brain. ..yes they have one too

Oh what about Pat Richards drop goal from the touch line at half way?

Skill less

Generalisation is a real enemy of us all!

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and I though Doug was called Geoff ?  :tongue:

 

One again, I drop a b*****k!

 

I was thinking aloud about a mate of mine, when typing a post to Geoff, just proving again my daughter's long held view that men can't multi-task!

 

My sincerest apologies to Geoff!

 

Spelly.

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Take a number 12, 25, 26 or x34 bus from Piccadilly to Leigh bus station. Journey will take about an hour and even take you through Swinton! Timetable on First Bus Manchester website.. A day saver will cost £4. Or Taxi for probably about 10 times that amount each way.

Thanks, Steve.

Is LSV close to the Leigh bus station?

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Takes about 12 mins. Turn left out of the bus station & over the humped back bridge over the canal. Then take the 2nd right through the estate and keep going and you'll see the stadium to your left over a practice pitch and car park. Google street view should help get your bearings beforehand. Or just follow the thousands of Lions fans stampeding to the ground!!!

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Takes about 12 mins. Turn left out of the bus station & over the humped back bridge over the canal. Then take the 2nd right through the estate and keep going and you'll see the stadium to your left over a practice pitch and car park. Google street view should help get your bearings beforehand. Or just follow the thousands of Lions fans stampeding to the ground!!!

Thanks Steve.

Any particular pre-match pub?

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A few of us go in the White Lion which is turn right out of the bus station, then about 400 yds down on the right. From there we get a mini bus to the ground. Welcome to join us. There's a bus at 22.05 from Leigh back to Manchester.

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A few of us go in the White Lion which is turn right out of the bus station, then about 400 yds down on the right. From there we get a mini bus to the ground. Welcome to join us. There's a bus at 22.05 from Leigh back to Manchester.

A very aptly named pub Steve. I wouldn't expect anything less though from such an ardent supporter and knowledge bank as yourself. Don't now go and shatter the illusion and say it's just because they serve cheap beer!

Do our guys get changed in there before the match??

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A few of us go in the White Lion which is turn right out of the bus station, then about 400 yds down on the right. From there we get a mini bus to the ground. Welcome to join us. There's a bus at 22.05 from Leigh back to Manchester.

Sounds great. I'll be the guy with the large American flag!  ;)

 

I can get my match tickets at LSV on my way in?

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Strangely enough it's pure coincidence! But they do sell quality English ale at reasonable prices! Friendly little pub opposite the church. Not sure what time I'll be there as I think the plan is to finish work early and have a couple of pints via Wigan first. Should imagine we'll be there at least an hour before kick off though.

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Buy your ticket at the ground for £15 immediately before kick off. Don't worry I doubt there will be much of a queue!

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Buy your ticket at the ground for £15 immediately before kick off. Don't worry I doubt there will be much of a queue!

Thanks Steve, you have been a big help!

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Exactly, I've been saying it for years. They churn out players today who are basically strong, fit ATHLETES, not strong, fit RUGBY FOOTBALLERS as they used to do when the game was far better IMO.

Rugby footballers used to create and score cracking tries using old fashioned, now outdated, little tricks such as a sudden change of pace, a sidestep or a swerve to wrong foot defenders.

These days RL playing athletes only move in straight lines and pass the ball as if they are programmed robots having had a special Aussie-Sky TV microchip implanted in their unimaginative brains (if they've got one - a brain, that is).

:tease:

Keith I hope you watched Josh Charnleys try for Wigan on Friday he kind of blew your argument out of the water.

Scored a blinder using pace,guile, strength and certainly a rugby brain.

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Keith I hope you watched Josh Charnley's try for Wigan on Friday he kind of blew your argument out of the water.

Scored a blinder using pace,guile, strength and certainly a rugby brain.

 

Yes of course there are still are some good FOOTBALLERS out there, but I still maintain the basics of my point of view, that FOOTBALLERS are in a minority in the game today due to a general trend towards fielding highly tuned/trained muscular ATHLETES. And I believe many others see it this way too when they cast their minds back to how things used to be without them 'living in the past' as some would accuse.

 

I challenge anyone to watch highlights from some matches from years ago just to see what I’m talking about. I recommend the 1978 Leeds v St Helens final (see link below), generally considered a classic, which includes commentary by none other than ‘Uncle Eddie’ Waring as a bonus. (note how the absence of sponsorship on the players’ kit really makes them look unbelievably smart unlike today's horrors)

 

 

:bye:

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Blue Monkey argues from the heart with his insistance that the game was better in days gone by.

 

There were great players playing in great teams then and there still are today.  It's easy to pick edited highlights of matches to try and prove a point but the same could be done to show the best of the modern game. Yes it's different now and Blue Monkey thinks it's a poorer version of the game than it used to be but all sports evolve over time.  Some things in RL have changed for the better and some for the worse but change is inevitable.

 

Even at our present level it's still a great sport to watch even if we have had a pretty awful season overall.  I'd love to go back to my youth and have the Lions of the sixties playing thrilling top level rugby at Station Road but we have got what we have got and I still enjoy the experience no matter how different it is.  Credit to the dedicated part timers in the game who turn out and give their all to the best of their ability in representing Swinton and entertaining the faithful few who still enjoy the ups and downs of following our team.  

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Blue Monkey argues from the heart with his insistance that the game was better in days gone by.

There were great players playing in great teams then and there still are today. It's easy to pick edited highlights of matches to try and prove a point but the same could be done to show the best of the modern game. Yes it's different now and Blue Monkey thinks it's a poorer version of the game than it used to be but all sports evolve over time. Some things in RL have changed for the better and some for the worse but change is inevitable.

Even at our present level it's still a great sport to watch even if we have had a pretty awful season overall. I'd love to go back to my youth and have the Lions of the sixties playing thrilling top level rugby at Station Road but we have got what we have got and I still enjoy the experience no matter how different it is. Credit to the dedicated part timers in the game who turn out and give their all to the best of their ability in representing Swinton and entertaining the faithful few who still enjoy the ups and downs of following our team.

Great post

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I agree, so realistically it boils down to the fact you can't compete different years and I am in agreement with that.

Look at Brazil with teams including Pele, etc are they still the same entertainers...

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Today's Rugby League players are quicker, fitter, and yes, BETTER, than when Keith and I were cutting our teeth on the terraces at Station Road!

Shirts without sponsors' logo(s) on? Nooooooooooooo way, they're far smarter with 'em on!

Spelly.

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