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There are greener methods of producing energy from coal, eg liquefaction and gasification, but they are currently too energy intensive and expensive for commercial exploitation of our coal stocks; this may change.

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 gives work to people who have a low  attainment or potential of academic qualifications.

 

1. It is wrong to condemn a whole workforce in this way

2. I'd rather see equal opportunity through improved education, increased aspiration etc

3. I'd hate to see a return to the sentimental view that asserts  "if mining was good enough for your grandad and you dad, its good enough for you" and has in the past sentenced whole generations to dirt, danger, ill=health and reduced life expectancy.

4. IF and its a big IF, we could eradicate the attitude prevalent in certain circles that working hard at school, getting qualifications and going to uni is not for the likes of us, we might stand a chance of creating a generation of engines that might develop methods of extracting CLEAN energy from coal without all the consequences of mining it.

 

We don't always agree, but I agree with every word of that.

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The mining industry had a "bedrock" of apprentice-trained craftsmen.

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Excellent. Send the thickies down the mines.

I left the mining industry in 1993 and I was taking home £1,000 a week then and Some of the present thickies are earning well over £100,000 a year  :mole:

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A lot of EU resident Eastern Europeans would jump at the chance to work in the pits on minimum wage.

The few remaining mines are full of Poles.

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I left the mining industry in 1993 and I was taking home £1,000 a week then and Some of the present thickies are earning well over £100,000 a year  :mole:

 

Apparently miners in Australia are earning extremely good salaries.

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The problem is his first "apology", he didn't say what the press have attributed to him, so instead of saying "read what I actually said you idiots" he went down the usual route of a half arsed ridiculous apology.

Get drilling, we won't know what the effects are until we've at least broken ground a few times.

Hasn't there been a fair bit if franking going on in other countries? What were the effects?

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The few remaining mines are full of Poles.

Pit props you mean?

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We don't always agree, but I agree with every word of that.

 

 

Forgot to add that it would be a mistake to underestimate the capabilities of underground workers: in 1973 I was working as a ICL 2900 Series mainframe commissioning engineer at ICL KIdsgrove and and couple of the engineers had been previously working "down the mines". It's all a question of expectation and opportunity.

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Hasn't there been a fair bit if franking going on in other countries? What were the effects?

Mixed.

 

Lax legislation has led to a number of issues.  Mainly stem round the waste fluids.  Many a nasty thing has been used and dumped.

 

You would think that we could avoid a lot of issues by having tight regulations.  Though the fact they are dumping tons of treated (was radioactive) sludge in the Manchester ship canal makes you wonder.

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The problem is if you send a group of workers down the pit, they come back up as miners.

The Tories would hate that!

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now you are just being a silly "class warrior"

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We don't always agree, but I agree with every word of that.

me too

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