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Australia win the toss and will bat first.

 

Warner selected and batting at 6. Will Joe Root give him a wigging? ;)

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He's got a bit of a reputation for not responding well to sledging from wicket keepers.  That'll make interesting viewing and they'll have to double check that the stump mic is turned off for the broadcast!

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I genuinely don't get the point of the third umpire review if it's going to make simply stupid decisions like that...  No wonder the Indians don't want the system for games in India.

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I genuinely don't get the point of the third umpire review if it's going to make simply stupid decisions like that...  No wonder the Indians don't want the system for games in India.

Almost feeling sorry for the Aussies....almost.

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Today I will be mostly watching Test Match cricket at Old Trafford.

Bet it rains!

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England right under the cosh now regardless of whether or not we save the follow on. Heads down and bat.

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Rain expected today. B)

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England 15 for 2. Ladies and gentlemen, would you all join me in a quick rain dance please?

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What's the point of the tv review? Screwed over both sides in this test and thoroughly discredited it.

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What's the point of the tv review? Screwed over both sides in this test and thoroughly discredited it.

 

The Pietersen one this morning didn't look good. Not sure how you can give that decision as out?!

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The rain will save Australia.

 

Now they'll theoretically be able to square the series.

 

;) ;)

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The rain will save Australia.

Now they'll theoretically be able to square the series.

;) ;)

Squared series no good for them though.

Oh well, never mind.

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The Pietersen one this morning didn't look good. Not sure how you can give that decision as out?!

I can live with that one the on field umpire gave him out and there was nothing on the video to disprove that decision stands. The problem is hot spot is not 100% accurate so just because there's no mark doesn't mean he hasn't hit it.

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I can live with that one the on field umpire gave him out and there was nothing on the video to disprove that decision stands. The problem is hot spot is not 100% accurate so just because there's no mark doesn't mean he hasn't hit it.

There's the first innings example of Khawaja's dismissal.  Not only did he clearly miss the ball, there was almost another cricket ball worth of space between his bat and the ball, but the audio didn't tie up with the ball passing the bat and there was no hotspot image on the ball's trajectory.  He was about as not out as is possible but the on-field decision wasn't overruled because it was "inconclusive".  I genuinely don't know how much more conclusive you can get about a decision without reversing time, going back and physically standing next to the ball as it was missed.

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 I genuinely don't know how much more conclusive you can get about a decision without reversing time, going back and physically standing next to the ball as it was missed.

 

 

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I think as RL fans we can be quite sage about how cricket is getting itself into an utter mess over the use of technology. We've been through all that and though we moan VR is years ahead of DRS as a usuable system.

 

One simple solution could be for referels to be made only by the umpire, as in RL. That'd resolve a lot of problems straight away. Then they need a set of guidelines about how and why stuff gets over-ruled. HOt-spot has been found wanting and the snicko isn't perfect either, so they've got to learn to use what they've got properly.

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There's the first innings example of Khawaja's dismissal. Not only did he clearly miss the ball, there was almost another cricket ball worth of space between his bat and the ball, but the audio didn't tie up with the ball passing the bat and there was no hotspot image on the ball's trajectory. He was about as not out as is possible but the on-field decision wasn't overruled because it was "inconclusive". I genuinely don't know how much more conclusive you can get about a decision without reversing time, going back and physically standing next to the ball as it was missed.

Yeah that one was a shocker and there was plenty of evidence to over turn it.

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Systems improve over time.

 

Not the most enjoyable way to retain the Ashes. I feel quite let down.

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I think as RL fans we can be quite sage about how cricket is getting itself into an utter mess over the use of technology. We've been through all that and though we moan VR is years ahead of DRS as a usuable system.

 

One simple solution could be for referels to be made only by the umpire, as in RL. That'd resolve a lot of problems straight away. Then they need a set of guidelines about how and why stuff gets over-ruled. HOt-spot has been found wanting and the snicko isn't perfect either, so they've got to learn to use what they've got properly.

 

Thing about cricket though is unlike other games you appeal, for a catch, for a stumping, for LBW and somebody has to make a judgement.  So shouldn't you be able to counter appeal the appeal if you feel you're not out?  Another thought occurs, if there's no appeal can the umpire give someone out caught behind, stumped or LBW?

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Systems improve over time.

 

Not the most enjoyable way to retain the Ashes. I feel quite let down.

I hope that the England players will think unless they win the series overall, it won't feel like a proper Ashes victory. Australia made that Test very interesting, so I'm hoping for a really good hard match next time.

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Thing about cricket though is unlike other games you appeal, for a catch, for a stumping, for LBW and somebody has to make a judgement.  So shouldn't you be able to counter appeal the appeal if you feel you're not out?  Another thought occurs, if there's no appeal can the umpire give someone out caught behind, stumped or LBW?

Technically - no. There was an example in the last game where no-one appealed but it appeared from the evidence that the player was, in fact, out. A caught behind I think.

Hotspot is a disaster due to the thin edges not registering in some cases - snicko is better but the technology used to generate a valid sound wave after removing extraneous noise takes far too long.

Hawkeye is also a problem in terms of the ones that "just clip" the stumps. However if asked whether whether it or an umpire was best placed to predict the path of a ball after contact with the pads I would go with Hawkeye.

It would be interesting to try out an "umpire only review" - although I do fear that you would end up with them referring everything. The latest I heard was that the ICC would introduce their own fully independent system where the 3rd umpire sits in a van like in RL and has control over which replays he sees. However we know from experience this will never eradicate human error, as witnessed at "Manchester Magic".

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England have been poor in this game by their standards. Bowlers other than Swann and Anderson need to come to the party, and we need runs from Prior, Trott and Bairstow - especially if Bresnan is omitted and Onions comes in, as is expected on Friday.

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Technically - no. There was an example in the last game where no-one appealed but it appeared from the evidence that the player was, in fact, out. A caught behind I think.

Hotspot is a disaster due to the thin edges not registering in some cases - snicko is better but the technology used to generate a valid sound wave after removing extraneous noise takes far too long.

Hawkeye is also a problem in terms of the ones that "just clip" the stumps. However if asked whether whether it or an umpire was best placed to predict the path of a ball after contact with the pads I would go with Hawkeye.

It would be interesting to try out an "umpire only review" - although I do fear that you would end up with them referring everything. The latest I heard was that the ICC would introduce their own fully independent system where the 3rd umpire sits in a van like in RL and has control over which replays he sees. However we know from experience this will never eradicate human error, as witnessed at "Manchester Magic".

 

The ICC version was trialed in Manchester apparently.

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Thing about cricket though is unlike other games you appeal, for a catch, for a stumping, for LBW and somebody has to make a judgement. So shouldn't you be able to counter appeal the appeal if you feel you're not out? Another thought occurs, if there's no appeal can the umpire give someone out caught behind, stumped or LBW?

I don't think so I think the laws of cricket insist that the fielding team appeal to the umpire. The umpire can't just put his finger up

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England have been poor in this game by their standards. Bowlers other than Swann and Anderson need to come to the party, and we need runs from Prior, Trott and Bairstow - especially if Bresnan is omitted and Onions comes in, as is expected on Friday.

 

I Onions doesn't play tomorrow on his home ground he's never going to get a game.

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