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Hohaia to Salford

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My worst fears about Noble will be realised if this is true.

We have a couple of good young kids that could do a job but it seems Noble wants old players. If this is true it might make my final decision not to renew my season ticket and I'll pay for the games I can make.

All the good vibrations with the doc taking over have slowly dissipated for me I am now feeling disillusioned.

Is that not a touch over dramatic? We nearly didn't have a club six months ago.

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Not over dramatic at all, I've missed a number of games this season for one reason or another, plus could have bought cheap tickets on other occasions. A season ticket isn't good value. I haven't said I wont go to games.

 

The signings so far have disappointed me including Morley. Hohaia adds nothing to the squad for me. Noble is running true to history so tell me why would I spend more money than I need to for the games I'll attend? I don't want to see the good youngster we have be thrown on a scrap heap for some over the hill player who will be paid over the odds.

 

Feeling very disillusioned with the sport and the club

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Not over dramatic at all, I've missed a number of games this season for one reason or another, plus could have bought cheap tickets on other occasions. A season ticket isn't good value. I haven't said I wont go to games.

 

The signings so far have disappointed me including Morley. Hohaia adds nothing to the squad for me. Noble is running true to history so tell me why would I spend more money than I need to for the games I'll attend? I don't want to see the good youngster we have be thrown on a scrap heap for some over the hill player who will be paid over the odds.

 

Feeling very disillusioned with the sport and the club

Really? I think you have reason to be optimistic. Morley will bring a winning mentality and great leadership. Meli should still score plenty of trys given the right service and will provide a physical presence when clearing your line. Puletua is in decline but if you have others to do the grafting then he can still open up gaps in the defensive line with his excellent offloading skills. Sau could well prove to be one of the best centres in the league. The jury is out on Hohaia, but if you sign Chase too then you ought to make the playoffs, which would be a good start wouldn't it?   

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Not over dramatic at all, I've missed a number of games this season for one reason or another, plus could have bought cheap tickets on other occasions. A season ticket isn't good value. I haven't said I wont go to games.

The signings so far have disappointed me including Morley. Hohaia adds nothing to the squad for me. Noble is running true to history so tell me why would I spend more money than I need to for the games I'll attend? I don't want to see the good youngster we have be thrown on a scrap heap for some over the hill player who will be paid over the odds.

Feeling very disillusioned with the sport and the club

If you're talking about the Noble who won multiple trophies at Bradford, guided GB to one of its best overseas Test triumphs, rescued Wigan and has consistently guided each club he's been at to the playoffs, then I certainly hope he'll be "true to his history."

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Noble is very much of the mindset that there is no substitute for experience. Whilst these players are at the end if their career, it may give them the kick up the backside they need. TP is a nice to have, not a grafter by any stretch of the imagination, but against Wigan, he had his best game for a long time. If you can get that level of performance out of him consistently, he will do a job for you for a season. Meli is Meli, you get what you see. Morley will want to prove a few doubters wrong and Hohaia knows its his likely to be his last contract. Salford fans may be surprised.

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Just how much experience do Salford want!

To my knowledge

Their 5 signings so far

Junior Sau - will be 27 next season

Lance Hohaia - will be 31 next season

Francis Meli - will be 35 next season

Tony Puletua - will be 35 next season

Adrian Morley - will be 37 next season

At this stage that would be a little bit alarming if I were a Salford fan but if they go out and sign another 5 or 6 quality players who are in their early 20s then it balances the squad and the experience could be a good thing.

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The information about Hohaia signing was a report by Neil Barker on the back page of the Salford Advertiser.

The 3rd or 4th word in was COULD.He could sign for Salford,and the story was based on the friendship he has with Puletua.

Barker has been wrong far more than he has been correct.

 

As it is,I did feel sorry that the player could travel from the other side of the world only to experience the head coach who signed him being sacked and then play in a side undergoing transition,at St Helens when Royce Simmons was sacked.

 

The more big game -players,and winners,in the dressing room,the better for the younger players.

 

Best to analyse the squad,and the recruitment,after this years world cup.

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As it is,I did feel sorry that the player could travel from the other side of the world only to experience the head coach who signed him being sacked and then play in a side undergoing transition,at St Helens when Royce Simmons was sacked.

 

 

Dont feel sory for HiHo, he's the one who has let people down. You expect senior players who have played at the very top to step up their game and impart their experience onto the younger players, and show some leadership. Hiho goes missing in far too many games and its often been left to the younger player to step up instead.

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Just how much experience do Salford want!

To my knowledge

Their 5 signings so far

Junior Sau - will be 27 next season

Lance Hohaia - will be 31 next season

Francis Meli - will be 35 next season

Tony Puletua - will be 35 next season

Adrian Morley - will be 37 next season

At this stage that would be a little bit alarming if I were a Salford fan but if they go out and sign another 5 or 6 quality players who are in their early 20s then it balances the squad and the experience could be a good thing.

 

Answer = as much as Warrington

Hodgson is 35

Joel Monaghan is 31

Mark Monaghan is 33

Lee Briers is 35

Micky Higham is 32

Trent Waterhouse is 32

Ben Westwood is 32

and they've just signed Roy Asotasi ( 31 ) on a 2 yr contract

 

Gareth Carvell ( 32 ) has just signed a  2yr  deal with Bradford

 

so the addition of a couple more around 29-30 yr old won't concern me

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With Walsh coming, I suppose they will have to lose Hohaia. Lomax is too good to be playing reserves or loaned out.

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With Walsh coming, I suppose they will have to lose Hohaia. Lomax is too good to be playing reserves or loaned out.

Lomax is going to be full back. Walsh will likely play 7, so 6 is up for grabs. I'd play Gaskell but something has gone on behind the scenes IMO which means he's not going to get the 6 shirt. Hohaia could play their, but they could get a better player on much less money.

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We are still looking for  a 6.  I think Chase is out of our league money wise.  We are not going to put everything into one player.

 

I'd imagine there better rumor is the Bradford and former Wrexham lad,  Sammut!

 

With Perry and TP making way for the 2 players who have already been announced.  That still means we need to shift either Laffranchi or Lance.

 

With Lance not even getting a look in over Wellens, Lomax GOB and Wilkin, he certainly will not get a game at Saints next year with a proper 7 on the cards.

 

Brown has done what he can to show him the door, now he has to open it and walk out.

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Lomax is going to be full back. Walsh will likely play 7, so 6 is up for grabs. I'd play Gaskell but something has gone on behind the scenes IMO which means he's not going to get the 6 shirt. Hohaia could play their, but they could get a better player on much less money.

But for Lomax to be FB, won't he have to wait for Wellens to retire? I.e. will be on the bench or on loan until then?

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But for Lomax to be FB, won't he have to wait for Wellens to retire? I.e. will be on the bench or on loan until then?

Nope. See the game on Saturday.

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I made the point a few months back using Higham as an example, that Salford juat need to make signings that improve their team year on year. Because they need half a team, going with experience isnt a bad thing - these players will know how to fit into a new environment.

Mid-table next year maybe playoffs and show genuine potential.

Decent signings imho.

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The problem is that Salford have the short term mentality. For as many years as I care to think of they have had huge changes season on season, Noble is showing signs of this continuing, there are some promising youngsters who need to be introduced over a long period.

 

I don't see any signs of this. Sunday showed why this was essential. Only 5 players with squad numbers under 13.

 

I have no problem with a few older players but they must improve the team and not be on  a pension boosting pay day

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The problem is that Salford have the short term mentality. For as many years as I care to think of they have had huge changes season on season, Noble is showing signs of this continuing, there are some promising youngsters who need to be introduced over a long period.

I don't see any signs of this. Sunday showed why this was essential. Only 5 players with squad numbers under 13.

I have no problem with a few older players but they must improve the team and not be on a pension boosting pay day

Blooding the kids is great but, as Sunday showed, it has to be done in a structured and gradual way.

There's a tendency amongst Salford fans to want kids selected/persevered with purely because they're kids.

Noble gets slated for Ashton going to union etc but let's not forget Millward wasn't convinced by him either. However, it's worth remembering that the likes of Fielden, Peacock, Pryce and Deacon were all given their head by Nobby too.

I also had doubts about Nobby but let's give him a chance.

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The problem is that Salford have the short term mentality. For as many years as I care to think of they have had huge changes season on season, Noble is showing signs of this continuing, there are some promising youngsters who need to be introduced over a long period.

 

I don't see any signs of this. Sunday showed why this was essential. Only 5 players with squad numbers under 13.

 

I have no problem with a few older players but they must improve the team and not be on  a pension boosting pay day

Stick with your current team and you run the risk of being relegated next year. Whatever people think of the likes of Morley, he is still doing it playing in some of the top games at the top of the table. Hohaia may go okay at Salford, sometimes things just don't work out at a club and it hasn't for him at Saints.

 

These signings are better than what you currently have, that';s got to be positive.

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Older players need less coaching, it always worked well for Peter Fox. If they can still play what does their age matter?

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Stick with your current team and you run the risk of being relegated next year. Whatever people think of the likes of Morley, he is still doing it playing in some of the top games at the top of the table. Hohaia may go okay at Salford, sometimes things just don't work out at a club and it hasn't for him at Saints.

These signings are better than what you currently have, that';s got to be positive.

Totally agree. Moreover, we haven't even signed Hohaia yet!

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Hohaia wont be at Saints next yr, he'll go either Salfoird or Catalans, which will allow Saints to sign a proper 6 - hopefully O'Brian seein as he puts his head on the line week in for us at the moment

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However, it's worth remembering that the likes of Fielden, Peacock, Pryce and Deacon were all given their head by Nobby too.

I also had doubts about Nobby but let's give him a chance.

[pedantic mode] Those 4 players became established in the first team in 1999, two seasons before Noble took over. [/pedantic mode]

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It is the short sighted vision of only looking at next season that has caused the problems Salford have experienced. There is no point in having a team over players all over 30, more prone to injury, take more time to recover after a game and rebuilding is necessary every 2 years.

 

I want balance, I can see the point in Morley, home city club, 1 year deal no issue as he will contribute so much off the field. The 2 Saints players signed so far, I'm less impressed by Pueluta was due tor etire before signing a 2 year deal, says it all for me.

 

I also find the attitude of some fans that Hohaia is a good signing for Salford annoying, bet none of them want him, especialy Saints.

 

I've watched Salford for more years than I care to remember and it feels as if we only manage to bring through 1 or 2 players per generation and then fail to hold on to them. This has to change if we want to progress.

 

I did read a post somewhere that this weekend 11 players from Salford's academy played for other teams in SL.

 

I hope the Doctor will address these issues over the next few years and the rebranding announcement puts a smile back on the fans faces.

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It is the short sighted vision of only looking at next season that has caused the problems Salford have experienced. There is no point in having a team over players all over 30, more prone to injury, take more time to recover after a game and rebuilding is necessary every 2 years.

I want balance, I can see the point in Morley, home city club, 1 year deal no issue as he will contribute so much off the field. The 2 Saints players signed so far, I'm less impressed by Pueluta was due tor etire before signing a 2 year deal, says it all for me.

I also find the attitude of some fans that Hohaia is a good signing for Salford annoying, bet none of them want him, especialy Saints.

I've watched Salford for more years than I care to remember and it feels as if we only manage to bring through 1 or 2 players per generation and then fail to hold on to them. This has to change if we want to progress.

I did read a post somewhere that this weekend 11 players from Salford's academy played for other teams in SL.

I hope the Doctor will address these issues over the next few years and the rebranding announcement puts a smile back on the fans faces.

I think you'll find the 11 players thing included the nine who played for us. Salford's academy has never been that prolific!

I think you're being overly glum for a bloke whose team was dead & buried six months ago.

I've never been a Noble fan but even Nobby on his worst day is better than what we've had before.

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I think a bit of experience in the team mixed in with some quality youngsters will do Salford a world of good next season. A strong performance may entice a few better players to move to Salford in 2015 onwards. Avoiding relegation next season is key for the club and unfortunately, I think the club seem to be struggling to attract the better players presently i.e. Whitehead etc due to this reason. Success on the field would do wonders for the clubs recruitment prospects.

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