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I think you'll find the 11 players thing included the nine who played for us. Salford's academy has never been that prolific!

I think you're being overly glum for a bloke whose team was dead & buried six months ago.

I've never been a Noble fan but even Nobby on his worst day is better than what we've had before.

 

This isn't just about the team of the last 6 months, I've watched from the 70s and it has always been the same. I want to see the rebuilding of the club from the bottom up. We allow Jewitt to go but sign Pueluta on a 2 year deal. We sign Foran adn Mauro on 3 year deals ??? then sack them during the season. You can't blame the previous coaches for everything. 

 

Young players at Salford already feel they don't have a future, I know of at least one player who feels this.

 

Where is the 5 year plan? where is the off field progress? so far this season we have had 3 CEOs.

 

 

Lastly I'm not a bloke !

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This isn't just about the team of the last 6 months, I've watched from the 70s and it has always been the same. I want to see the rebuilding of the club from the bottom up. We allow Jewitt to go but sign Pueluta on a 2 year deal. We sign Foran adn Mauro on 3 year deals ??? then sack them during the season. You can't blame the previous coaches for everything. 

 

Young players at Salford already feel they don't have a future, I know of at least one player who feels this.

 

Where is the 5 year plan? where is the off field progress? so far this season we have had 3 CEOs.

 

 

Lastly I'm not a bloke !

I agree with most of this, including the bit about you not being a bloke. I'm pretty underwhelmed with our signings so far, and I'm finding it particularly difficult to join in the excitement over signing Morley. Of all the forwards Warrington had out in their walkover against us at the HJ a couple of months ago, there was only one we could handle, and it was Mozzer. Carvell was going like a wrecking ball through a cardboard house, and I find it disappointing we didn't make a serious attempt to sign him instead. I appreciate Morley was just coming back from injury, but that in itself tells its own story. (So many of our 'experienced' players tend to spend most of the season helping the medical staff gain experience.) I'll be even more disappointed if Jewitt is released to make way for him. Dreadful decision if it's true.

 

Trying to keep on the positive side, let's hope that we've got a few better signings up our sleeve. It looks like we might have won the, err, 'chase for Chase', and we're now being linked with Ben Jones-Bishop. I'd be happy with either of these. S'au isn't a bad signing either.

 

On your specific points;

 

I think Foran and Mauro were identified under the previous management and the signing completed under the current one. Neither player was ever match fit, and I don't think we got the best out of them. Mauro played in the 2011 Grand Final, so he can't be too shabby, but he seemed to be carrying some sort of leg injury.

 

We've only had two CEOs (we didn't have one before Ed Farish: Dave Tarry left part way through last season and the CEO role was divided up between a couple of directors). Ed Farish was brought in to manage the club during the transition and was, I think, recommended by Nigel Wood. I don't think Marwan knew him. The new CEO is Marwan's man, so, effectively, is the first 'proper' CEO.

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 I'll be even more disappointed if Jewitt is released to make way for him. Dreadful decision if it's true.

 

 

 

  While still attempting to assuage my anger from Sunday I shall ponder the thought that Jewitt is preferred to Morley when Jewitt,with a red card v Hull KR,and a subsequent ban after being put on report v Catalans,has spent more time off the field for indiscipline than he has made appearances.

  Morley - 500 appearances later is possibly on his way to a Grand Final.

  Placing the written playing record before potential supporters for 2014,listing the appearances and the honours,and the number of winning games,who is more likely to attract new spectators to the SCS ? Who is likely to attract other high quality players ? Or has done ?

   There should be an 'ism' for ageism.

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Never been a fan of Nobby's, but I think the rules on home grown players will force him to curb his excessive love affair with players from down under. He will assemble a squad that is good enough to be clear of relegation next year and can turn them into a mid table side. Then a good modern coach can come in and take them to the next level.

 

He's not a coach who will grow his own squad - he's a coach who signs ready made players. The rules of the game now, are that clubs have to produce their own long-term. Short-term, he's just got to assemble a squad that's better than two of London, Cas, Wakey & Widnes. That shouldn't be too hard to do.

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  While still attempting to assuage my anger from Sunday I shall ponder the thought that Jewitt is preferred to Morley when Jewitt,with a red card v Hull KR,and a subsequent ban after being put on report v Catalans,has spent more time off the field for indiscipline than he has made appearances.

  Morley - 500 appearances later is possibly on his way to a Grand Final.

  Placing the written playing record before potential supporters for 2014,listing the appearances and the honours,and the number of winning games,who is more likely to attract new spectators to the SCS ? Who is likely to attract other high quality players ? Or has done ?

   There should be an 'ism' for ageism.

 

It's more a matter of preferring the player who, over the past three years, has made more than four times as many clean breaks, nearly twice as many offloads, nearly twice as many tackle busts, made more tackles, missed proportionally fewer and made fewer errors. Jewitt hasn't spent more time off the field for indiscipline than he has appearances, but, given that Mozzer is injured again, I'd guess he will, by the end of this season, have spent more time off the field for treatment than he has made appearances.

 

Now, if we are to place those written playing records in front of potential supporters (do we do that?), which one looks the better option? Fortunately, placing written records in front of anyone is fantasy stuff. It doesn't happen. What will attract new spectators is a team that can compete and, for me, Jewitt would contribute more to that than Morley.

 

As for attracting high quality players, I don't have an 'inside' at the club, so don't know of any. So, tell me, which of our new signings have been attracted by his presence? I can't see him attracting signings for 2015 and beyond because he's only on a one year deal.

 

It's not about age (oh, the 'ism' for ageism is 'ageism', by the way). I wouldn't have minded Salford signing Steve Menzies a couple of years ago, for example. But Menzies is a freak of nature in that he seemed to defy time, and that isn't the case with Morley. it's about whether we could have done better, and I think we could. Carvell, for me, would have been a far better signing.

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Is Morley injured again? He played his 500th game at the weekend.

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I`m with Red John (bloke) rather than Red Willow (not bloke) on this one.  Carvell must be on a great contract at the Bulls or Nobby completely missed his availability.   This year we have a good number of young `uns and I think you will find the better guys will be retained.  

 

Alan Hunte seems to be a forgotten man but maybe - just maybe - he is the one to be groomed by Nobby to get the club to the next level.   As for Jewitt - he should be signed without a doubt especially if we can get sponsorship from Ricky Hatton`s gym.   He is an uppercut above the rest.

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I like Carvell, but he makes a lot of errors with some silly play. Some of his defence can also be slightly suspect as he isn;t the most agile of players. 

 

The thing about Morley is that he does many of the small things well. Most of his runs end up with him on his front getting a quick ptb, and many of his tackles are technically very good and he has people on their backs. These moves help Warrington to win the collision often and get onto a roll. These little things should not be underestimated.

He is nowhere near as dynamic as he used to be, but then he used to be more of a liability too which he isn't so much now.

 

Morley will do a good job for Salford, and he has been an absolute legend for Warrington.

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I like Carvell, but he makes a lot of errors with some silly play. Some of his defence can also be slightly suspect as he isn;t the most agile of players.

The thing about Morley is that he does many of the small things well. Most of his runs end up with him on his front getting a quick ptb, and many of his tackles are technically very good and he has people on their backs. These moves help Warrington to win the collision often and get onto a roll. These little things should not be underestimated.

He is nowhere near as dynamic as he used to be, but then he used to be more of a liability too which he isn't so much now.

Morley will do a good job for Salford, and he has been an absolute legend for Warrington.

100% spot on.

The one thing you forgot to mention was the impact he'll have in the dressing room and within the local community.

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It's more a matter of preferring the player who, over the past three years, has made more than four times as many clean breaks, nearly twice as many offloads, nearly twice as many tackle busts, made more tackles, missed proportionally fewer and made fewer errors. Jewitt hasn't spent more time off the field for indiscipline than he has appearances, but, given that Mozzer is injured again, I'd guess he will, by the end of this season, have spent more time off the field for treatment than he has made appearances.

 

 What will attract new spectators is a team that can compete and, for me, Jewitt would contribute more to that than Morley.

 

As for attracting high quality players, I don't have an 'inside' at the club, so don't know of any. So, tell me, which of our new signings have been attracted by his presence? I can't see him attracting signings for 2015 and beyond because he's only on a one year deal.

 

It's not about age (oh, the 'ism' for ageism is 'ageism', by the way). I wouldn't have minded Salford signing Steve Menzies a couple of years ago, for example. But Menzies is a freak of nature in that he seemed to defy time, and that isn't the case with Morley. it's about whether we could have done better, and I think we could. Carvell, for me, would have been a far better signing.

    I think Carvell may have chosen Bradford as it is a step closer to his home city of Hull.

    I am not sure if the stats you refer to relte to Carvell or Jewitt but if you prefer Jewitt to Morley then I accept we have a difference of opinion about each individual contribution in past years,and for the future.

    There is no reason to suggest Jewitt has not been retained.

    As Morley was the first signing announced since Noble too over it would seem both the owner and the head coach view Morley as a figurehead as the club is to re-invent itself.

    With the player named on this thread title again mentioned by Barker in the MEN as a 'could be' signing it will be interesting to see how many players he has 'linked' to the club actually turn out to be true.I believe he is currently well behind.

    I have no problem with the other experienced signings of Meli and Puletua.Experienced internationals and big final game players.

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I think Carvell may have chosen Bradford as it is a step closer to his home city of Hull.

I am not sure if the stats you refer to relte to Carvell or Jewitt but if you prefer Jewitt to Morley then I accept we have a difference of opinion about each individual contribution in past years,and for the future.

There is no reason to suggest Jewitt has not been retained.

As Morley was the first signing announced since Noble too over it would seem both the owner and the head coach view Morley as a figurehead as the club is to re-invent itself.

With the player named on this thread title again mentioned by Barker in the MEN as a 'could be' signing it will be interesting to see how many players he has 'linked' to the club actually turn out to be true.I believe he is currently well behind.

I have no problem with the other experienced signings of Meli and Puletua.Experienced internationals and big final game players.

Carvell is from Leeds. Pretty sure he played for Stanningley.

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Carvell is from Leeds. Pretty sure he played for Stanningley.

 

   You are correct - I am wrong.

    I did read recently that he has a house at Hull which threw me.Easily done !

    Anyway Bradford is nearer both places,which may have been the attraction.

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   You are correct - I am wrong.

    I did read recently that he has a house at Hull which threw me.Easily done !

    Anyway Bradford is nearer both places,which may have been the attraction.

 

 

One of the minor attractions of Bradford is that it is not Leeds or Hull. It is a hidden jewel with affordable housing, plenty of countryside, acceptable traffic flow, a decent social scene and very friendly people.

 

Unfortunately, it's got Britain's most useless council. People assume that it's riddled with corruption because it would be impossible to make so many honest mistakes.

:dry:

 

:tongue:

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One of the minor attractions of Bradford is that it is not Leeds or Hull. It is a hidden jewel with affordable housing, plenty of countryside, acceptable traffic flow, a decent social scene and very friendly people.

 

Unfortunately, it's got Britain's most useless council. People assume that it's riddled with corruption because it would be impossible to make so many honest mistakes.

:dry:

 

:tongue:

and not forgetting that bradford was once described as "the cess pit of britain"

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and not forgetting that bradford was once described as "the cess pit of britain"

what you mean once was - thought it still was

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    I think Carvell may have chosen Bradford as it is a step closer to his home city of Hull.

    I am not sure if the stats you refer to relte to Carvell or Jewitt but if you prefer Jewitt to Morley then I accept we have a difference of opinion about each individual contribution in past years,and for the future.

    There is no reason to suggest Jewitt has not been retained.

    As Morley was the first signing announced since Noble too over it would seem both the owner and the head coach view Morley as a figurehead as the club is to re-invent itself.

    With the player named on this thread title again mentioned by Barker in the MEN as a 'could be' signing it will be interesting to see how many players he has 'linked' to the club actually turn out to be true.I believe he is currently well behind.

    I have no problem with the other experienced signings of Meli and Puletua.Experienced internationals and big final game players.

 

I agree there might be more than a little strength to the figurehead for the club angle. Isn't Morley a born and bred Salfordian with roots in the city. As such he might be of more value to the club travelling the City and it's environs, promoting the club, it's new dynamic ownership, it's new stadium and linking all that to the heritage of the game in Salford of which he is a living icon than he is as an actual player at this stage of his career.

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and not forgetting that bradford was once described as "the cess pit of britain"

 

 

In Victorian times, it was. Average male lifespan in 1840 was 18 years.

 

These days, in Yorkshire, lifespan is marginally above the North West.

 

It's probably a welcome release when you pass away six months early in the North West.

;)

 

It's probably a reflection of how our country's heavy industries have been decimated that the UK  regional life expectancy is pretty uniform.

 

 

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health4/life-expec-at-birth-age-65/2004-06-to-2008-10/statistical-bulletin.html#tab-Regional-life-expectancy

 

 

https://statswales.wales.gov.uk/Catalogue/Health-and-Social-Care/Life-Expectancy/LifeExpectancy-by-LocalAuthority-Gender

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    I think Carvell may have chosen Bradford as it is a step closer to his home city of Hull.

 

It was reported hat Salford made a tentative bid for Carvell, but the main target was Morley. For me, it should have been the other way round.

 

    I am not sure if the stats you refer to relte to Carvell or Jewitt but if you prefer Jewitt to Morley then I accept we have a difference of opinion about each individual contribution in past years,and for the future.

    There is no reason to suggest Jewitt has not been retained.

The stats were a comparison of Morley and Lee Jewitt, and are one of the reasons I can't sign up to the "he's better than anything we've got at the moment" malarkey. He clearly isn't.

 

Although I'm generally loath to believe rumours, Jewitt is supposed to have told someone that he hasn't been offered a new contract. As I said originally, if this is true, then I think releasing one of our better forwards - one with his best years still ahead of him - in favour of a forward who, at least on the figures I quoted, doesn't offer as much, and whose best years are a rapidly receding dot in the rear view mirror seems a strange decision.

 

Now, it may well be the case that the little things that Morley does well mount up to a big thing that improves the team, but I fear he'll be restricted by injuries to a relative handful of appearances next season, and those little things won't mount up to much. We'll have to see.

 

     As Morley was the first signing announced since Noble too over it would seem both the owner and the head coach view Morley as a figurehead as the club is to re-invent itself.

 

There has been a tendency amongst the Mozzerphiles to big up these unquantifiable soft skills like "leadership", "experience", "inspiration", etc. We'll never know their true effect, or whether these could have been obtained elsewhere. Nevertheless, the expectation seems to be that he'll be brilliant at them. It seems for the committed Mozzerphile, there's nothing he can't do. He's the Kim Jong Il of Salford, and I look forward to seeing record scores posted at the Ellesmere golf club.

 

I do, though, wonder if this was more a Marwan signing than a Noble signing. He's said he wants to "bring our lads home" and Morley may just have been the easiest one to reach. Can we have Stefan Ratchford back now please?

 

    With the player named on this thread title again mentioned by Barker in the MEN as a 'could be' signing it will be interesting to see how many players he has 'linked' to the club actually turn out to be true.I believe he is currently well behind.

 

Indeed. I suspect this was more a case of Neil Barker flying a kite than any serious approach by the club.

 

  

    I have no problem with the other experienced signings of Meli and Puletua.Experienced internationals and big final game players.

I think Meli is a good signing, but I'm a little less sure about Puletua. Nevertheless, I think he probably comes closer to the "better than anything we've got now" label than does Mozzer. In addition, Sa'u is a really good signing, and I'm fairly optimistic that the other, as yet unknown, signings are of an equal or better standard.

 

Overall, there are reasons to be optimistic. It's just one signing and one rumoured release that I'm less happy with.

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