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David Gents letter to the Community Clubs

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They got an email back from the NWC management telling them what they had to do in accordance with the constitution. They didn't do it and the ordinary meeting came and went, during which certain individuals spent their time thumbing through their copy handbooks wondering what to do. Not sure who's inbox the NWC email had been sat in between the time it was sent and the NWC meeting, but it was a couple of weeks at least.

LC keeps saying its a in hand but unless they get the agreement of 30% of the NWC club secretarys and EGM ain't going to happen.

 

And you seem so very desperate to know where its all up to................I wonder why that is...............got a little agenda of your own ;) 

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Think you need to go and buy a copy of this weeks league express ?

Will read it tomorrow afternoon, any particular section?

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And you seem so very desperate to know where its all up to................I wonder why that is...............got a little agenda of your own ;)

If I put just half a mind to it, I don't think you'd bother. But I have more constructive volunteering to do Mr Activist.

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If I put just half a mind to it, I don't think you'd bother. But I have more constructive volunteering to do Mr Activist.

 

LOL!

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Think you need to go and buy a copy of this weeks league express ?

Just read the letter from Anthony Murray, I'm not surprised really, it's the same message I've been getting on my travels.

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Just read the letter from Anthony Murray, I'm not surprised really, it's the same message I've been getting on my travels.

It's not just Muzzas letter there is wide spread criticism thougout all sections of the game .

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Just read the letter from Anthony Murray, I'm not surprised really, it's the same message I've been getting on my travels.

As my copy has mysteriously not arrived can you précis the letter please

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As my copy has mysteriously not arrived can you précis the letter please

Murray was a strong advocate of summer rugby but is having second thoughts

due to:

 

Inability to field consistent team selection over player availability

June & July should be given to the NCL cup and one NCL fixture during this break.

Falling playing standards from before the switch.

Feels a season's work can be undermined by not having his best players available during crucial periods.

Says NCL should be regionalised outside the Premier division to give more players opportunity to work saturday mornings.

says Volunteers can't wait for the season to end.

Comments that the standard of officials is poor as previously, higher grade officials would turn out in winter after their summer duties.

Wonders whether the players want summer rugby.

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I have to agree with muzzas points however I was not completely convinced by the summer argument but the club I was with at the time had a democratic vote amongst its players and volunteers and the rest is history.

Personally I think the amatuer game certainly at open age level is now at the most perilous of cross roads and we need to get the next big decisions spot on or we will see our open age game decline further.

Worrying times ahead in my opinion

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I have to agree with muzzas points however I was not completely convinced by the summer argument but the club I was with at the time had a democratic vote amongst its players and volunteers and the rest is history.

Personally I think the amatuer game certainly at open age level is now at the most perilous of cross roads and we need to get the next big decisions spot on or we will see our open age game decline further.

Worrying times ahead in my opinion

Your correct and to make the right decision the facts have to be transparent and truthful.

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Murray was a strong advocate of summer rugby but is having second thoughts

due to:

Inability to field consistent team selection over player availability

ABSOLUTELY. THE STATS SHOW THIS. NO SHORTAGE OF PLAYERS REGISTERED TO PLAY BUT OBVIOUS DIFFICULTIES SELECTING A REGULAR TEAM.

June & July should be given to the NCL cup and one NCL fixture during this break.

POSSIBLY. THE STRUCTURE OF THE SUMMER SEASON NEEDS LOOKING AT. I'M ALL IN FAVOUR OF A BREAK OF SOME DESCRIPTION. THIS IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION.

Falling playing standards from before the switch.

YES BUT WAS TO BE EXPECTED AND GIVEN TIME STANDARDS WILL RISE.

Feels a season's work can be undermined by not having his best players available during crucial periods.

NOT ENTIRELY SURE THIS IS TRUE. UNAVAILABILITY OF PLAYERS SEEMS WORSE IN MAIN SUMMER MONTHS RATHER THAN TOWARDS THE BUSINESS END OF THE SEASON.

Says NCL should be regionalised outside the Premier division to give more players opportunity to work saturday mornings.

I'D LOOK FOR REGIONALISATION TO INCLUDE THE PREMIER DIVISION. NOT ONLY WOULD GIVE PLAYERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK SAT MORNINGS IT WOULD ALSO REDUCE TRAVEL COSTS.

says Volunteers can't wait for the season to end.

I'M NOT SENSING THIS. I'D RATHER SPEND AN AFTERNOON IN THE SUN WATCHING RUGBY OF A SLIGHTLY INFERIOR STANDARD THAN BE STUCK AT HOME WITH THE MISSUS.

Comments that the standard of officials is poor as previously, higher grade officials would turn out in winter after their summer duties.

STANDARDS ARE NOT GREAT. I WOULDN'T PUT THAT DOWN TO WINTER OR SUMMER RUGBY RATHER DECLINING NUMBERS OF OFFICIALS WHICH HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR SOME TIME.

Wonders whether the players want summer rugby.

I THINK THEY DO BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES.

Just a couple of other things. The numbers of spectators seems to be a contentious point. In my experience the overall number of spectators watching rugby thoughout the clubs I am involved with has risen. But the numbers of paying spectators has fallen. This shortfall in revenue needs addressing. The rise in the overall number of spectators will help through increased bar revenue, but work is also needed to the programming and structure of the NCL league to increase the number of paying spectators. A mid season break and shorter journeys will help. At the end of the day standards may have fallen but I don't think the entertainment value has.

Finally, the local paper carried a piece on Siddal starting a cubs section which has attracted nearly 40 players under 6. in my opinion it is inconceivable they would have even attempted this let alone attract 40 odd children during the winter. Other clubs up and down the heartlands are starting up mini teams at 7,8 & 9 year olds where they otherwise have few if any junior teams.Any thoughts of moving juniors back to a winter based system would be catastrophic. Summer rugby works for the professional game, it works for the junior game and with a bit of common sense will work for the rest. Let's focus on ironing out the flaws in the summer season rather than trying to drag the game back into the dark ages.

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This does not add anything to the debate, but, summer rugby is ######! I have stopped playing summer, my teams crowds are down, and I have not played with the same players for more than two games in a row. the officials do try hard, but I do not think they are particularly good. there is no consistency in playing standards, and it has devalued the prem division. I can go out with my family on weekends and evenings, I will now book a holiday for next year. bye rugby league, I used to enjoy you , but them days are over

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Always a shame to lose anybody to the game. Some casualties were inevitable as are the flaws. Unfortunately, time constraints doesn't allow flaws to be rectified quickly enough to please everyone. Thankfully the junior set ups are looking strong and a new generation will soon be coming through who appreciate the benefits summer rugby brings .

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That new generation coming through take their holidays on july/august and attend every festival going.

Whilst rome burns the powers that be fiddle like nero!

These matters need addressing now or we stand to lose more players more volunteers.

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That new generation coming through take their holidays on july/august and attend every festival going.

Whilst rome burns the powers that be fiddle like nero!

These matters need addressing now or we stand to lose more players more volunteers.

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I agree. There should be an end of season review focussing on scheduling of fixtures. The onus should be on all clubs to bring options/solutions to the table as well as criticisms.

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Always a shame to lose anybody to the game. Some casualties were inevitable as are the flaws. Unfortunately, time constraints doesn't allow flaws to be rectified quickly enough to please everyone. Thankfully the junior set ups are looking strong and a new generation will soon be coming through who appreciate the benefits summer rugby brings .

Have you taken in what Taxiegg (who runs a competition) says about the decline of junior/youth rugby?

 

 I don't understand this flaw business, the competitions aren't actually new, the playing season has changed and with this change the numbers, standards and finances have all gone south, yes a few clubs have reported a increase but not many.

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Yes but that may say more about the people running the league than the concept. I'm not seeing too many of the same issues in the YJL particularly in the younger age groups.

Why is it some clubs have done well and not others?

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Yorkshire juniors inherited the West RIding League .

On the data supplied by the RFL there is not a significant rise in any area of the country quite the contrary .

Facts Gar just to give you another fact last year we had 28 teams start at under 7s so far this year it's down to 10 now if you can shed any light on that being down to the way our association is administered then I would be interested to read your views .

Could it be that as a sport we are not attracting the new volunteers to commit in the current playing season we never seemed to struggle before .

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Simple ammendments could make all the difference and I have listed some ideas of mine below:

Regionalise the divisions so as to have two divions east of penines and two divisions west of penines - this would reduce travel costs and hopefullt increase player availability for thosr teams whose players have to work saturday morning.

Play off system from respective east and west divisions (top four from each respective division) play off final date to be left open as late as possible so that season can br extended to allow for free dates such as festival weel ends magic weekend. Each club coild also be allowed to te atrange by murual agreement lets say four games when and where player availability is genuinely low.

Scrap the NCL cup and re introduce the national cup with mutual agreement brtween barla ncl and the RFL.

start a campaign to encourage ex players to move into refereeing and make all match officials more approachable before and after games. The officials also need to be assessed for their performaces otherwise they aint gonna improve.

From my experience a lot of players seem to be concerned anout getting injured and losing time/money from work - could the NCL and the RFL not come up with an affordable and attractive insurance plan to cover loss of earnings.

Would anyone like to add to the above.

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That's a bloody good start. I like them all.

I think there's been a few Friday night games. have they been a success?

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Simple ammendments could make all the difference and I have listed some ideas of mine below:

Regionalise the divisions so as to have two divions east of penines and two divisions west of penines - this would reduce travel costs and hopefullt increase player availability for thosr teams whose players have to work saturday morning.

Play off system from respective east and west divisions (top four from each respective division) play off final date to be left open as late as possible so that season can br extended to allow for free dates such as festival weel ends magic weekend. Each club coild also be allowed to te atrange by murual agreement lets say four games when and where player availability is genuinely low.

Scrap the NCL cup and re introduce the national cup with mutual agreement brtween barla ncl and the RFL.

start a campaign to encourage ex players to move into refereeing and make all match officials more approachable before and after games. The officials also need to be assessed for their performaces otherwise they aint gonna improve.

From my experience a lot of players seem to be concerned anout getting injured and losing time/money from work - could the NCL and the RFL not come up with an affordable and attractive insurance plan to cover loss of earnings.

Would anyone like to add to the above.

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Great post and starts to address problems in a positive way .

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