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Ukip's Godfrey Bloom defends 'bongo bongo land' comments

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I just enjoy reading the UKIP comments on there, even the most innocuous of negatives about UKIP gets the commenter heaps of abuse.

That's because there's nothing a faux libertarian likes more than to be outraged.

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That's because there's nothing a faux libertarian likes more than to be outraged.

I don't think you surrender your right to outrage when you become a libertarian.

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I don't think you surrender your right to outrage when you become a libertarian.

You should surrender your membership of Ukip if you do actually become libertarian though.

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Well the hysteria over the comments by the likes of the BBC and The Guardian is missing the point entirely. UKIP are an anti establishment movement that is based on the fact that the three main political parties have failed to listen to the public on any number of issues and are perceived to be out of touch with ordinary people.

Dissatisfaction with unsustainably high and culturally transformational levels of immigration, 4 million in the last 10 years, and the increasingly intrusive ideological political correctness and multiculturalism being the two main issues. High levels of immigration have never been popular with the British public and never will be but the political mainstream have dismissed these concerns as being unacceptable and the domain of racists and soldiered on with their pro immigration policies regardless.

What the political establishment don't understand is that the more you ridicule, abuse and belittle UKIP and their like the more popular they will became. Look at the local elections this year. UKIP were savaged in the media in the lead up and they have a massive spike in support. Having an assorted collection of Upper Middle class London-based lefties sneering at you is UKIP's greatest recruiting tool.

Bloom is lapping it up because he knows that his target voter think along the same lines as he does. They are sick of being taken for granted, looked down upon, dismissed and sneered at for holding perfectly fair and legitimate political views. The more they are sneered at the angrier they become.

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UKIP are an anti establishment movement ...

 

And its members seem more establishment than the establishment.

 

Bloom went to the same school as the Harman children, he's the son of an officer, was an officer himself and his job in civilian life was as an investment banker.  And of course he's been riding the MEP gravy train for a decade now.

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What the political establishment don't understand is that the more you ridicule, abuse and belittle UKIP and their like the more popular they will became. Look at the local elections this year. UKIP were savaged in the media in the lead up and they have a massive spike in support.

The 'anti' parties usually well in local and by-elections. UKIP's support has dropped since.

They are sick of being taken for granted, looked down upon, dismissed and sneered at for holding perfectly fair and legitimate political views.

They are generally sneered at for their (not very convincing) facade of reasonable, "bloke in the street" straight talking, but they can't stop the mask slipping every now and then.

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It's 'listening to the public'

That's part of the problem in uk politics

Rather than pursue policies based on principle and belief parties pursue policies that seem populist

That's why we get so many ill thought out reactions to events that are unworkable the dangerous dogs act the bedroom tax and so on

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What the political establishment don't understand is that the more you ridicule, abuse and belittle UKIP and their like the more popular they will became. Look at the local elections this year. UKIP were savaged in the media in the lead up and they have a massive spike in support. Having an assorted collection of Upper Middle class London-based lefties sneering at you is UKIP's greatest recruiting tool.

 

I disagree. I think UKIP get an incredibly easy ride from the media. Their spokespeople, on the rare occasion you see anyone but Nigel Farage representing them, are hardly ever seriously questioned or challenged on their views or policies in the same way that politicians from the three main parties are. If it ever does happen, they squeal like stuck pigs about it and their policies usually fall apart at the seams being revealed as the incoherent dog whistle nonsense they are.

 

It's true, a lot of people are disillusioned with mainstream politics and currently use UKIP as a dumping ground for a protest vote, but like the BNP before them, the more votes they get and the more representatives who get elected as a result, the more scrutiny they will be put under and the more they will be found wanting, at which point any apparent surge in popularity will evaporate like morning mist and move on to the next fringe party operating under the radar of media scrutiny.

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I disagree. I think UKIP get an incredibly easy ride from the media. Their spokespeople, on the rare occasion you see anyone but Nigel Farage representing them, are hardly ever seriously questioned or challenged on their views or policies in the same way that politicians from the three main parties are. If it ever does happen, they squeal like stuck pigs about it and their policies usually fall apart at the seams being revealed as the incoherent dog whistle nonsense they are.

 

It's true, a lot of people are disillusioned with mainstream politics and currently use UKIP as a dumping ground for a protest vote, but like the BNP before them, the more votes they get and the more representatives who get elected as a result, the more scrutiny they will be put under and the more they will be found wanting, at which point any apparent surge in popularity will evaporate like morning mist and move on to the next fringe party operating under the radar of media scrutiny.

As much as I dislike the UKIP lot, surely what you say is the same treatment the Lib Dems and SNP got before they got a sniff of power.  In Scotland, Salmond was treated as that funny little Scottish man in charge of a funny little Scottish party by the media until he won first a minority lead then a majority in the Scottish Parliament, now he's getting the opposite treatment of every policy being scrutinised to death.  Same with the Lib Dems, until the last election they could put up policies about giving everyone in Britain their own free wind turbine, domestic composter and incinerator and they'd get no media takers, now they get the worst of the coverage, if it's good news or very important stuff then the Tories swarm like flies, if it's bad news then they're looking for a Lib Dem to stand in front of the telly cameras.

 

How many votes did the Lib Dems get as a protest because the voters thought they wouldn't get a sniff of power.  Now they have that's unlikely to happen to the anywhere near the same extent next election.

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Godfrey Bloom is a god-awful man! Funnily enough I only discovered him the day before on Radio 2 where any regulation was effectively the same as Soviet Union and any government policy was just 'political correctness gone mad,' to a common-sense guy like him.

Bloom and his supporters have tried to make this into an issue over aid which it is not, he just happened to be talking about that at the time. There is of course a genuine debate to be had on that but this isn't why he made the news.

The simple fact is that everybody knew 100% what he meant when he said bongo-bongo land. It wasn't some vague term aimed at foreigners it was African specific, and conjured up pictures of uncivilised Africans dancing around a fire with spears in their hands. It cannot be written off as simply an old-fashioned comment, there's much more to it than that in my opinion and says much more about his state of mind and opinion of foreigners.

Yes he'll get some support for this but Duff Duff is wrong in thinking UKIP are on any kind of surge, they have very much a minority appeal and are currently a protest vote. With the extra publicity they are getting we will find out what they are really like, which is basically the extremes of the Tory party.

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Sorry but you can't dismiss a political party that has consistently polled at about 15% for the last year or so and has continued to outstrip the Liberals. 

 

In 2009 they came second in the UK European elections with 2.4 million votes. I would hazard a guess that they will do much better in the 2014 European elections and they have the potential to win them. With the anti-politics vibe about them the more they are attacked and sneered at the more their support will be galvanised. 

 

Their rise has been a direct consequence of the inability of the mainstream political parties to confront the problems of uncontrolled and unsustainable levels of immigration. Until those concerns are dealt with UKIP won't be going anywhere. I mean the Labour Party haven't even confronted the monumental  mistakes that they made in that regard since 2001 and are still operating in an environment detached from reality having enthusiastically followed policies that have threatened the economic and social welfare of their core support. 

 

UKIP aren't the BNP. People won't be put off from voting for them because they are not a bunch of neo fascist thugs and football hooligans. The mainstream parties need to have a long hard look at itself and realise why they are failing to engage with the electorate. 

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Two British teenage voluntary aid workers have had acid chucked in their faces today in Zanzibar, for the crime of being young women out on the street.

 

Sounds just like Bongo Bongo Land to me.

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Not often I post on these type of threads but for once I agree with the UKIP MEP.From what i've read and seen it only seems to be white,middle class people who are offended by the term used,which is usually the case when something like this happens.

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Sorry but you can't dismiss a political party that has consistently polled at about 15% for the last year or so and has continued to outstrip the Liberals.

In 2009 they came second in the UK European elections with 2.4 million votes. I would hazard a guess that they will do much better in the 2014 European elections and they have the potential to win them. With the anti-politics vibe about them the more they are attacked and sneered at the more their support will be galvanised.

Their rise has been a direct consequence of the inability of the mainstream political parties to confront the problems of uncontrolled and unsustainable levels of immigration. Until those concerns are dealt with UKIP won't be going anywhere. I mean the Labour Party haven't even confronted the monumental mistakes that they made in that regard since 2001 and are still operating in an environment detached from reality having enthusiastically followed policies that have threatened the economic and social welfare of their core support.

UKIP aren't the BNP. People won't be put off from voting for them because they are not a bunch of neo fascist thugs and football hooligans. The mainstream parties need to have a long hard look at itself and realise why they are failing to engage with the electorate.

UKIP are a protest party. Nothing more. Until they can come up with even 1/10th of the policies of the major parties then that's what they'll stay. As it stands their only policy is to get out of Europe and criticise anything with a health and safety remit.

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UKIP are a protest party. Nothing more. Until they can come up with even 1/10th of the policies of the major parties then that's what they'll stay. As it stands their only policy is to get out of Europe and criticise anything with a health and safety remit.

 

 

Protesting against what may I ask? Why are people voting for an anti-EU party that supports immigration control and not the Greens, Respect or even the good old Labour Party? 

 

The opinions polls show that after the economy the second most important issue affecting people's lives is immigration and border control. Until the mainstream political parties, especially those on the left, wake up to that fact and do something about it then UKIP's support will continue to grow.

 

The Romanians and Bulgarians haven't even arrived on mass yet. After 1st January that will become as big an issue of not bigger than when the Poles arrived on mass. 

 

The mainstream political parties burying their heads in the sand over these issues isn't going to wish them away. 

 

It isn't just the UK either. There has been a wave of anti immigration parties having success in France, Holland, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and Sweden. Time the political mainstream woke up to the fact. 

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Protesting against what may I ask? Why are people voting for an anti-EU party that supports immigration control and not the Greens, Respect or even the good old Labour Party? 

 

The opinions polls show that after the economy the second most important issue affecting people's lives is immigration and border control. Until the mainstream political parties, especially those on the left, wake up to that fact and do something about it then UKIP's support will continue to grow.

 

The Romanians and Bulgarians haven't even arrived on mass yet. After 1st January that will become as big an issue of not bigger than when the Poles arrived on mass. 

 

The mainstream political parties burying their heads in the sand over these issues isn't going to wish them away. 

 

It isn't just the UK either. There has been a wave of anti immigration parties having success in France, Holland, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and Sweden. Time the political mainstream woke up to the fact. 

The media and their mass hysteria about these immigrants is the main reason for that.  Promoting xenophobia is always a good way to get people to buy newspapers.  To paraphrase: Lies, damned lies and what you read in the tabloid press.

 

There have always been protest parties in the UK, the Lib Dems pretending they're a legitimate part of the Coalition has removed the biggest protest party as an outlet.  That said, the biggest source of UKIP voters is disillusioned Tory voters who think that voting UKIP will actually achieve something when what it really means is that they're going to most likely ensure that the Labour Party gets a nice majority at the next general election!  That really makes me think positively about the UKIP share of the vote :D

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When many newspapers make a point of associating particular words on a relentless basis, it can convince some people to assume that it is fact. Sorry, FACT!

  • Benefits + Fraud
  • Illegal + Immigrant
  • Welfare + Cheat
  • Liberal + Do-gooders
  • Islamic + Terrorist
  • Feral + Youth
  • Dole + Scroungers
  • Broken + Britain

...and so on. If you can induce a state of fear, outrage and ignorance in people, you can sell them any old nonsense - papers or parties.

 

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It's 'listening to the public'

That's part of the problem in uk politics

Rather than pursue policies based on principle and belief parties pursue policies that seem populist

That's why we get so many ill thought out reactions to events that are unworkable the dangerous dogs act the bedroom tax and so on

Of course they pursue policies that are populist, that's the whole point.

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We used to have a guy who worked for us who held strong and very loudly-expressed opinions about all sorts of things, but his arguments were mainly based around repeating slogans containing rhymes or alliteration. He's probably joined UKIP by now. :rolleyes: 

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The media and their mass hysteria about these immigrants is the main reason for that.  Promoting xenophobia is always a good way to get people to buy newspapers.  To paraphrase: Lies, damned lies and what you read in the tabloid press.

 

There have always been protest parties in the UK, the Lib Dems pretending they're a legitimate part of the Coalition has removed the biggest protest party as an outlet.  That said, the biggest source of UKIP voters is disillusioned Tory voters who think that voting UKIP will actually achieve something when what it really means is that they're going to most likely ensure that the Labour Party gets a nice majority at the next general election!  That really makes me think positively about the UKIP share of the vote :D

If you dismiss people's legtimate concerns they you aren't going to deal with the problems are you.

Over the last 10 years Britian has experienced an unprecedented level of immigration, estimated to be between 4 and 5 million. That outstrips anything seen in the 50s and 60s. It is the highest inward movement of people into the UK ever.

That influx has been largely uncontrolled and much of it largely unskilled labour that wasn't needed. It is having a negative impact on people's daily lives and will continue to do so until it is dealt with.

If you don't recognise this is a huge problem then you are stuck in the same place that the Labour Party is in a the moment. Until there is a recognition that there is a problem then UKIP will continue to grow in support and you will have to put up with the likes of Farage and Bloom being given a high public profile.

It should be remembered that the people who suffer the most from the influx of unskilled labour is the poor working in unskilled jobs and the poor who have to share public and social services with poor immigrants. The rich businessmen love it because it drives down wage costs but it isn't great for the workforce. Why is he Labour Party called the Labour Party again? Something to do with representing the interests of the labour force. Ha ha. That is a good one.

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We used to have a guy who worked for us who held strong and very loudly-expressed opinions about all sorts of things, but his arguments were mainly based around repeating slogans containing rhymes or alliteration. He's probably joined UKIP by now. :rolleyes:

We've one of those "I'm a realist, not a racist". Lifelong Labour voter.

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We've one of those "I'm a realist, not a racist". Lifelong Labour voter.

They always claim to be speaking their mind, but it takes longer than you'd expect...

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It isn't just the UK either. There has been a wave of anti immigration parties having success in France, Holland, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and Sweden. Time the political mainstream woke up to the fact.

The Tories will eventually wake up to the fact and that will comfortably kill off UKIP. They are a protest vote because people disillusioned with the status quo are voting (or saying they will) for them, just the same as the Liberals. In reality people know very little about them aside from that they would leave the EU and they are saying they will vote for them based on this and Farage. Once they are subjected to greater scrutiny they inevitably will lose support.

Regardless of how much support you think they are getting there are vastly more that wouldn't vote for them and people like Godfrey Bloom put off swathes of the population because he is the worst type of Tory. I doubt anybody cried themselves to sleep over his comments but it said a great deal about what he is actually like and how he thinks and that he is clearly how he still views Africa.

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The Tories will eventually wake up to the fact and that will comfortably kill off UKIP. They are a protest vote because people disillusioned with the status quo are voting (or saying they will) for them, just the same as the Liberals. In reality people know very little about them aside from that they would leave the EU and they are saying they will vote for them based on this and Farage. Once they are subjected to greater scrutiny they inevitably will lose support.Regardless of how much support you think they are getting there are vastly more that wouldn't vote for them and people like Godfrey Bloom put off swathes of the population because he is the worst type of Tory. I doubt anybody cried themselves to sleep over his comments but it said a great deal about what he is actually like and how he thinks and that he is clearly how he still views Africa.

Well the rise is hostility to towards high levels of immigration poses move of a long term threat to the Labour Party than anyone else. It is pretty clear that the middle class left-liberal faction that controls the Labour Party is detached from the core support base it claims to represent. UKIP aren't an anomaly. They are part of a trend that has swept Western Europe and has undermined the pro immigration parties of the left in a number of countries. Those parties of the left claim to represent the interests of th labour but at the same time they follow policies that threaten the labour force's well being.

The emergence of UKIP has shifted the public debate on a whole range of issues rightwards and the opinion polls show that the Conservatives are more in tune with the public mood on a whole range of key issues. The economy, welfare, immigration, Europe. Labour has been rooted to the spot and has merely been seen to defend the status quo. A status quo that is completely unsustainable.

UKIP and the Liberals are completely different from one another. UKIP are a centralised single issue party that focuses on the EU and its impact regarding immigration. The Liberals on the other hand are a decentralised political party that use a combination of localism and opportunism to gain support. The Liberals in Manchester, Sheffield and Leeds appeal to a completely different set of people and values to the Liberals in places like Cheltenham, Bath, Chelmsford and Kingston Upon Thames.

People should be very careful about writing the Liberal off come 2015. The way the elections system works they could lose 10% of their popular vote and still only lose 4 or 5 seats. People should appreciate that many Liberal voters have right wing sentiments and are more than happy with their performance in government. People like Liberal MPs and they are notoriously difficult to remove once elected.

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Of course they pursue policies that are populist, that's the whole point.

Then there wod be no political parties no elected governments

And we'd have government by plebiscite

What is popular changes all the time that is one if the reasons that it is dangerous to govern this way

The idea is that political parties, individuals, groups put forward what they believe in and try to persuade the electorate to vote for it or for a candidate as an individual

Instead we are rapidly going in the other direction democracy is becoming market lead

: politicians and their parties play up increasingly to the whims and prejudices of the electorate they wish to court. It's one if the reasons for the rise of ukip

I think this leads democracy down a dangerous road

There's nothing new about it there have been some classic examples 'do you want a ###### for a neighbour' in smethwick in the sixties for instance, but increasingly political parties are being led by the nose and not by their apparent principles

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