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I think we're in danger of mixing up different issues here and drifting away from the main discussion. Following unification one of the consequences was the RFL being responsible for the grants.

There is a difference between covering costs for core functions and grant awards to cover the costs of specific projects such as development officers etc.

If £140,000 was put aside this may well be for core Barla office functions. The £640,000 may or may not include a portion of that £140,000 but I would assume would also include costs of administering the individual leagues that clubs subscriptions currently pay for. Costs do of course also increase.

Clearly if this is money over and above what is collected from clubs already there is going to be some arguments coming up, because clubs will want to know what extra, if anything, they're going to get from it.

But it just might be they discussions are being to had to say this is how much it costs to run the amateur game and we need a unified way to ensure we cam continue to pay for it?

 

Yes you're right T4oU in saying that following unification the RFL were the recipients of Sport England grant monies from which in 2004 £140,000 was ringfenced for the support of the amateur game and this was an overbearing factor in the decision to unify.

 

Yes there has been significant evolvution in the development aspect of rugby league (In my opinion the consultation etc: involved and the actual implementing of the RFL Summer Switch would account for a tidy sum) and significant comings and goings of development officers, Directors of Participation, etc: within the RFL which would also have swallowed up much of the £6 million a year the RFL received from Sport England.

 

But ask around if the £640,000 includes costs of administrating individual leagues as you suggest, the questions that I would ask is how many leagues are being run for that amount and don't the clubs populating those individual leagues cover the administration with their league fees.

 

I don't think that Taxi Egg's little mob - as he affectionally refers to them - are responsible for much of this figure and they are the very start of the player chain.

 

How much do the RFL dedicate to running the regionals in Cumbria, how much do they give to the running of North West Counties ARL, how much is afforded to the administration of the Pennine ARL

 

If you carry out an audit throughout the leagues my friend you may be closer to having an answer.

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Nwc juniors funded by the clubs themselves .

We get our playing cards issued through RL services but if needed we could do that ourselves .

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I think we're in danger of mixing up different issues here and drifting away from the main discussion. Following unification one of the consequences was the RFL being responsible for the grants.

There is a difference between covering costs for core functions and grant awards to cover the costs of specific projects such as development officers etc.

If £140,000 was put aside this may well be for core Barla office functions. The £640,000 may or may not include a portion of that £140,000 but I would assume would also include costs of administering the individual leagues that clubs subscriptions currently pay for. Costs do of course also increase.

Clearly if this is money over and above what is collected from clubs already there is going to be some arguments coming up, because clubs will want to know what extra, if anything, they're going to get from it.

But it just might be they discussions are being to had to say this is how much it costs to run the amateur game and we need a unified way to ensure we cam continue to pay for it?

 

 

The adminstration of any Regional League thats is not a fully fledged RFL initiative such as the NW Mens League, has always been and will always be funded by the clubs through their membership fees etc.

 

The RFL have NEVER covered any costs that have been a necessity in allowing the Leagues to function, in fact when the RFL have been asked to put their hand in their pocket to support or assist the Leagues in delivering whatever was on the agenda at the time they have on most occasions not done so, when they have it has been with reluctance.

 

Make no mistake the Leagues will continue to ask the clubs for the membership fees etc and the RFL will put their Membership on top, only now if the Leagues sign up to the OR's all the clubs will face a "No Pay, No Play" scenario from the RFL as they will be in a position to effect such a directive!!!

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If you carry out an audit throughout the leagues my friend you may be closer to having an answer.

That may well be needed. I think Marauder is crediting me with insight and knowledge I just don't have. I offered an opinion and conjecture based upon information posted by others.

From what I can see from those minutes that LC referred to nobody was saying much other than there was a sum of money to be converted. Again whether that is a sum the RFL says it costs them in respect of the amateur game or the costs incurred by the amateur running itself is anybody's guess. It may be that they were referring to the collective game?

If it is the RFL separate from the individual leagues then it is right that questions are asked what those costs are spent on and by who?

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That may well be needed. I think Marauder is crediting me with insight and knowledge I just don't have. I offered an opinion and conjecture based upon information posted by others.

From what I can see from those minutes that LC referred to nobody was saying much other than there was a sum of money to be converted. Again whether that is a sum the RFL says it costs them in respect of the amateur game or the costs incurred by the amateur running itself is anybody's guess. It may be that they were referring to the collective game?

If it is the RFL separate from the individual leagues then it is right that questions are asked what those costs are spent on and by who?

 

Well T4oU, we could start with the £15,000 per annum that is reportedly the value of administrating the NCL for a start and then I'm led to believe that Yorkshire Juniors were funded at around the same cost. Chuck in the NW Men's and the floundering Yorkshire equivalent and we account for around 10% of the £640,000.

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