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l'angelo mysterioso

Lets make the criminal justice system do its job

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I've learned a lot from the rational, considered, profound thoughts of those in favour of capital punishment and I'm deeply indebted to them and have be persuaded by their rhetoric

But what about the rest of the criminal justice system?

Criminals reoffend, receive a slap on the wrist, are jet off by do gooders and the ordinary tax payer pays through the nose for a prison system that is no more than a chain of holiday camps.

Here's how it should be sorted in a way that is cheap, brings proper justice, And prevents reoffending

1 thieves should have both hands chopped off . Yes I know it sounds a bit Muslim but so is curry and we all like a vindaloo. The culprits should in the name of clemency be allowed to keep their hands in their freezer for a set time in the event of a successful appeal

2 rapists: well you can guess can't you, all I'll say is it should be done without anaesthetic

3 manslaughter: people do this when they are in a high emotional state, so a compulsory lobotomy should deal with that, they'll be like pussycsts for the rest of their lives

4 death penalty for all murders whether its a gangland shooting it an abused wife who can't take it any more or whatever: murder is murder.

5 motoring offences: the government should stop persecuting the poor motorist

There prisons emptied no repeat offending and satisfaction guaranteed

Edit: and dirt cheap as well

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You are the Daily Mail in human form and I claim my £5 ;)

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No! Inconsiderate driving costs lives, and these ###### should be disembowelled for even the slightest infraction.

That would empty the roads of nutters!

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The death penalty has never been compulsory for murder so why introduce it now? As for the rest, its a victory for common sense.

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I may be a compulsive pedant but curry is not "Muslim".

It's muslim enough

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The death penalty has never been compulsory for murder so why introduce it now? As for the rest, its a victory for common sense.

Because like you so eloquently and convincingly said on another thread it means they can do it again

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Because like you so eloquently and convincingly said on another thread it means they can do it again

Some murderers do get released and go on to kill innocent people. But we have established that these innocent people are just unlucky. Its also the reason you started this thread to ridicule people who think they are equally innocent victims and not less important than 'potential' innocent people.

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It's muslim enough

It's Hindu enough for Hindus, Sikh enough for Sikhs, Buddhist enough for Buddhists etc.

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Some murderers do get released and go on to kill innocent people. But we have established that these innocent people are just unlucky. Its also the reason you started this thread to ridicule people who think they are equally innocent victims and not less important than 'potential' innocent people.

Do you agree that in the interest of the protection of potential innocent victims and in the light of the number was it dozens and/or hundreds that you quoted that all murderers should be executed. I thought you were in favour if this judging by your comments in another thread and if course there's money to be saved which should please mr/mrs/ breakout

Using the same logic: by chopping off the hands if thieves further thefts are obviated, redress is obtained and there is the deterrent effect as well as reducing the prison population

Same with lobotomising those who commit manslaughter and so on

As for ridiculing people: check your own performance and that if others of your mindset on the 'other' thread

Nobody is making you get involved in this thread

And as for establishing that murder victims are just unlucky it's the first I've heard. Who is this we you speak of.

I'm currently working up a couple of theories

First what firm rexecutions should take and whether they should be public...along with a few side benefits which I'd be happy to share with you later

Also and I'll run this up the flag pole and see how it flutters : public floggings for various offences. Your thoughts as ever very much appreciated and anticipated as well of course those of a like mind to you

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It's Hindu enough for Hindus, Sikh enough for Sikhs, Buddhist enough for Buddhists etc.

Nah mate

They won't have that in bradford

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Do you agree that in the interest of the protection of potential innocent victims and in the light of the number was it dozens and/or hundreds that you quoted that all murderers should be executed. I thought you were in favour if this judging by your comments in another thread and if course there's money to be saved which should please mr/mrs/ breakout

Using the same logic: by chopping off the hands if thieves further thefts are obviated, redress is obtained and there is the deterrent effect as well as reducing the prison population

Same with lobotomising those who commit manslaughter and so on

As for ridiculing people: check your own performance and that if others of your mindset on the 'other' thread

Nobody is making you get involved in this thread

And as for establishing that murder victims are just unlucky it's the first I've heard. Who is this we you speak of.

I'm currently working up a couple of theories

First what firm rexecutions should take and whether they should be public...along with a few side benefits which I'd be happy to share with you later

Also and I'll run this up the flag pole and see how it flutters : public floggings for various offences. Your thoughts as ever very much appreciated and anticipated as well of course those of a like mind to you

Ludicrous. If you think thieving or other such crime is the equal of murder and warrants equal serious treatment, then I think you are on a wind up.

You are ridiculing people who disagree with you by starting this thread implying that all the above drivel is logically what I might think. Pretty pathetic really and indicative of an intolerant mindset.

I don't really want the death penalty. But I think it could be an option possibly in certain cases for some cases....possibly but not an automatic option. You however start mentioning the chance of 'innocent people getting killed' whilst dismissing the many ones killed by repeat murderers, in fact it appears to be something of a joke and a reason to parody peoples views.

I have been disagreeing with people not ridiculing anyone unlike you.

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I'd like to see community service introduced for anyone that doesn't ridicule traffic wardens.

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Ludicrous. If you think thieving or other such crime is the equal of murder and warrants equal serious treatment, then I think you are on a wind up.

You are ridiculing people who disagree with you by starting this thread implying that all the above drivel is logically what I might think. Pretty pathetic really and indicative of an intolerant mindset.

I don't really want the death penalty. But I think it could be an option possibly in certain cases for some cases....possibly but not an automatic option. You however start mentioning the chance of 'innocent people getting killed' whilst dismissing the many ones killed by repeat murderers, in fact it appears to be something of a joke and a reason to parody peoples views.

I have been disagreeing with people not ridiculing anyone unlike you.

Thieving doesn't warrant equally serious treatment as murder, where have I said that? The proposed punishment is completely different

By having the death penalty for all murders the chance of repeat offending is avoided completely. You had a lot to say about this on the other thread would you like me to show you? It is repeat murders thst i am referring to slong with other thingd And of course this and the other thread isn't just about you.

I repeatedly asked people to respect each others views on the other thread and would ask you and others to do so on this one

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You are trying to make out that because I think in certain circumstances the death penalty could apply, I automatically follow a certain thinking about other areas of the law. So much for this respect you mention.

The argument about released murderers came about because of the concern about innocent people being killed in error. But this happens all the time to people by state decisions. So why are they not worth getting het up about.

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You are trying to make out that because I think in certain circumstances the death penalty could apply, I automatically follow a certain thinking about other areas of the law. So much for this respect you mention.

The argument about released murderers came about because of the concern about innocent people being killed in error. But this happens all the time to people by state decisions. So why are they not worth getting het up about.

I'm not making out that you think anything you think what you think

Again this is not about you

If you disagree with these proposals then say so and give reasons why: that's kind of the point.

If you have nothing to say or you are uncomfortable then do what the moderators repeatedly suggest

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I may be a compulsive pedant but curry is not "Muslim".

 

 

stop making me agree with you  :tongue:

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stop making me agree with you :tongue:

Tell that to the lads at the EDL they know what they're talking about

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I'd like to see community service introduced for anyone that doesn't ridicule traffic wardens.

 

Traffic wardens are the thin yellow line that stands between us and a breakdown of scoiety.

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I've learned a lot from the rational, considered, profound thoughts of those in favour of capital punishment and I'm deeply indebted to them and have be persuaded by their rhetoric

But what about the rest of the criminal justice system?

Criminals reoffend, receive a slap on the wrist, are jet off by do gooders and the ordinary tax payer pays through the nose for a prison system that is no more than a chain of holiday camps.

Here's how it should be sorted in a way that is cheap, brings proper justice, And prevents reoffending

1 thieves should have both hands chopped off . Yes I know it sounds a bit Muslim but so is curry and we all like a vindaloo. The culprits should in the name of clemency be allowed to keep their hands in their freezer for a set time in the event of a successful appeal

2 rapists: well you can guess can't you, all I'll say is it should be done without anaesthetic

3 manslaughter: people do this when they are in a high emotional state, so a compulsory lobotomy should deal with that, they'll be like pussycsts for the rest of their lives

4 death penalty for all murders whether its a gangland shooting it an abused wife who can't take it any more or whatever: murder is murder.

5 motoring offences: the government should stop persecuting the poor motorist

There prisons emptied no repeat offending and satisfaction guaranteed

Edit: and dirt cheap as well

 

Slight issue.....Your system assumes there will be no miscarriages of justice. Those proven to have been wrongly convicted can hardly grow a new head as part of their compensation years down the line. 

 

As for the silly idea of stopping persecuting the poor motorist. You defending my right to have 10 pints then get behind the wheel and drive at a group of children? Or my right to ignore the safe speed limit and end up on the wrong side of the road heading for group of said children? 

Or is it right that when caught ignoring the rules of the road i should be dealt with under the criminal justice system?

You would be hardly likely to get on a flight if you saw the pilot and captain staggering up the stairs with a bottle of vodka in hand slurring something about seeing how fast they can go.

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I think you might have misinterpreted L'Anges's real point.

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No he is misinterpreting the pro capital punishment argument. 

 

It would be like me saying the reform approach should pay criminals not to offend. Was earning £1 million a year as a drugs boss? Well the reform approach should not send you to prison as this could harm your development and re-enforce your criminal nature and be expensive. Instead we should reform you by paying you £1 million a year so that you don't need to sell the drugs to earn that amount....

See its taking a point and simply taking it to its stupid extreme. 

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I think you might have misinterpreted L'Anges's real point.

Which was what exactly?

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Slight issue.....Your system assumes there will be no miscarriages of justice. Those proven to have been wrongly convicted can hardly grow a new head as part of their compensation years down the line.

As for the silly idea of stopping persecuting the poor motorist. You defending my right to have 10 pints then get behind the wheel and drive at a group of children? Or my right to ignore the safe speed limit and end up on the wrong side of the road heading for group of said children?

Or is it right that when caught ignoring the rules of the road i should be dealt with under the criminal justice system?

You would be hardly likely to get on a flight if you saw the pilot and captain staggering up the stairs with a bottle of vodka in hand slurring something about seeing how fast they can go.

I never said anything about methods of execution

That is the subject of another thread hopefully to be started anon

The subject of non guilty people being executed by my fellow pro capital punishment colleagues on the thread on that subject

I will say that it is extremely difficult to convict an innocent person of murder in this day and age and those very few unfortunates who were not guilty and executed could feel proud of their scarifice for the greater good

If a man can't go out in the car for a few pints or to the golf club for half a dozen snifters what sort of a man is he? You paint a very monochrome picture of the way the motorist is persecuted in these all too politically correct times

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