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Are you a daydreamer or maker of dreams?

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There are people who achieve their aims, whereas some never get beyond daydreaming. How has your life mapped out in fulfilling your ambitions in life, or else stalling along the way?

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Are the two mutually exclusive?

I've fulfilled a lot of my ambitions and acquired some more to replace them

But I'm also an inveterate day dreamer

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Ode  

We are the music makers

And we are the dreamers of dreams,

Wandering by lone sea-breakers,

And sitting by desolate streams;

World-losers and world-forsakers,

On whom the pale moon gleams:

Yet we are the movers and shakers

Of the world for ever, it seems.

 

With wonderful deathless ditties, 
We build up the world's great cities, 
And out of a fabulous story 
We fashion an empire's glory: 
One man with a dream, at pleasure, 
Shall go forth and conquer a crown; 
And three with a new song's measure 
Can trample an empire down. 

We, in the ages lying 
In the buried past of earth, 
Built Nineveh with our sighing, 
And Babel itself with our mirth; 
And o'erthrew them with prophesying 
To the old of the new world's worth; 
For each age is a dream that is dying, 
Or one that is coming to birth. 

A breath of our inspiration, 
Is the life of each generation. 
A wondrous thing of our dreaming, 
Unearthly, impossible seeming- 
The soldier, the king, and the peasant 
Are working together in one, 
Till our dream shall become their present, 
And their work in the world be done. 

They had no vision amazing 
Of the goodly house they are raising. 
They had no divine foreshowing 
Of the land to which they are going: 
But on one man's soul it hath broke, 
A light that doth not depart 
And his look, or a word he hath spoken, 
Wrought flame in another man's heart. 

And therefore today is thrilling, 
With a past day's late fulfilling. 
And the multitudes are enlisted 
In the faith that their fathers resisted, 
And, scorning the dream of tomorrow, 
Are bringing to pass, as they may, 
In the world, for it's joy or it's sorrow, 
The dream that was scorned yesterday. 

But we, with our dreaming and singing, 
Ceaseless and sorrowless we! 
The glory about us clinging 
Of the glorious futures we see, 
Our souls with high music ringing; 
O men! It must ever be 
That we dwell, in our dreaming and singing, 
A little apart from ye. 

For we are afar with the dawning 
And the suns that are not yet high, 
And out of the infinite morning 
Intrepid you hear us cry- 
How, spite of your human scorning, 
Once more God's future draws nigh, 
And already goes forth the warning 
That ye of the past must die. 

Great hail! we cry to the corners 
From the dazzling unknown shore; 
Bring us hither your sun and your summers, 
And renew our world as of yore; 
You shall teach us your song's new numbers, 
And things that we dreamt not before; 
Yea, in spite of a dreamer who slumbers, 
And a singer who sings no more. 

Arthur O'Shaughnessy, 1874

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There are people who achieve their aims, whereas some never get beyond daydreaming. How has your life mapped out in fulfilling your ambitions in life, or else stalling along the way?

Sounds like the sort of BS you see on motivational posters or silly Facebook shares.

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Sounds like the sort of BS you see on motivational posters or silly Facebook shares

 

And a nice little earner on the side!  :tongue: I was once part of Amway and can vouch for the fact that negativity was out of the question. Real heavy stuff! 

 

Sadly for some people, they go through life uninspired and always downbeat and never able to make something of it. I suppose we all go through the ups and downs at some point, although many overcome the hurdles to achieve ultimate success, in whatever form. Overcoming long periods of illness like depression is success in itself, meaning it's not all about financial reward.

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Be the change you want to make in the world @motivationalbullshitrus

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Ode

We are the music makers

And we are the dreamers of dreams,

Wandering by lone sea-breakers,

And sitting by desolate streams;

World-losers and world-forsakers,

On whom the pale moon gleams:

Yet we are the movers and shakers

Of the world for ever, it seems.

 

With wonderful deathless ditties, 

We build up the world's great cities, 

And out of a fabulous story 

We fashion an empire's glory: 

One man with a dream, at pleasure, 

Shall go forth and conquer a crown; 

And three with a new song's measure 

Can trample an empire down. 

We, in the ages lying 

In the buried past of earth, 

Built Nineveh with our sighing, 

And Babel itself with our mirth; 

And o'erthrew them with prophesying 

To the old of the new world's worth; 

For each age is a dream that is dying, 

Or one that is coming to birth. 

A breath of our inspiration, 

Is the life of each generation. 

A wondrous thing of our dreaming, 

Unearthly, impossible seeming- 

The soldier, the king, and the peasant 

Are working together in one, 

Till our dream shall become their present, 

And their work in the world be done. 

They had no vision amazing 

Of the goodly house they are raising. 

They had no divine foreshowing 

Of the land to which they are going: 

But on one man's soul it hath broke, 

A light that doth not depart 

And his look, or a word he hath spoken, 

Wrought flame in another man's heart. 

And therefore today is thrilling, 

With a past day's late fulfilling. 

And the multitudes are enlisted 

In the faith that their fathers resisted, 

And, scorning the dream of tomorrow, 

Are bringing to pass, as they may, 

In the world, for it's joy or it's sorrow, 

The dream that was scorned yesterday. 

But we, with our dreaming and singing, 

Ceaseless and sorrowless we! 

The glory about us clinging 

Of the glorious futures we see, 

Our souls with high music ringing; 

O men! It must ever be 

That we dwell, in our dreaming and singing, 

A little apart from ye. 

For we are afar with the dawning 

And the suns that are not yet high, 

And out of the infinite morning 

Intrepid you hear us cry- 

How, spite of your human scorning, 

Once more God's future draws nigh, 

And already goes forth the warning 

That ye of the past must die. 

Great hail! we cry to the corners 

From the dazzling unknown shore; 

Bring us hither your sun and your summers, 

And renew our world as of yore; 

You shall teach us your song's new numbers, 

And things that we dreamt not before; 

Yea, in spite of a dreamer who slumbers, 

And a singer who sings no more. 

Arthur O'Shaughnessy, 1874

 

 

Arthur O'Shaughnessy is one of those writers whose work is quoted but who remains largely unknown. He published little and died before he was 40.

 

Elgar uses part of Ode in 'The Music Makers.' Well worth a listen if you like that sort of thing' it's a good sing also. 

 

O'Shaughnessy, like Elgar, came from an unprivileged background and achieved artistic noteworthiness.

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Daydreamer as in my head Rugby League is number 1 sport in Australia/New Zealand/France/Wales/Cornwall etc.

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I have a psychologist friend who did a 2nd PHD on the subject of the subconscious, a relatively minor part of it was the impact on it by daydreaming.  His view and research pointed towards that if you daydream about realistic things then you're giving your subconscious mind a target to work on in downtime, this means that when you finally do attempt to achieve your dream it seems easier than you thought because your subconscious stops you going down obvious failure routes.  It has to be realistic though, if you're a 40-something, chubby, unfit, couch potato then you're not going to win next season's Man of Steel.

 

His piece was about the power of the subconscious and how to harness it.  For example, if you daydream about opening your own business using skills you know you have then your subconscious will be prompting you to do things like save money, learn self-support skills and help you make 50/50 choices on things.  It's up to the conscious mind to take heed of these hints and do something about it though.  Most people ignore their inner voice and then wonder why they never realise their dreams.

 

He gave me a good example of how to bring forward your subconscious thought:  If you have a 50/50 choice on something and can't make your mind up, put the options as heads or tails then toss a coin and listen to your mind.  If when you toss your brain is hinting "please be heads!" then ignore what the result of the coin toss is and go do the heads option.  If you didn't hear the option but are even slightly disappointed with the result then go with the other option.  If you're getting no hints and don't mind the result then you've still got a decision from the coin so go do it!  If it's more than one option then write the options on bits of paper, put them in your pocket then listen to what your mind really wants when you reach in for the result.

 

That all said, some peoples' subconscious minds are a bit of a **** and will lead them to do dodgy things!

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I have a psychologist friend who did a 2nd PHD on the subject of the subconscious, a relatively minor part of it was the impact on it by daydreaming.  His view and research pointed towards that if you daydream about realistic things then you're giving your subconscious mind a target to work on in downtime, this means that when you finally do attempt to achieve your dream it seems easier than you thought because your subconscious stops you going down obvious failure routes.  It has to be realistic though, if you're a 40-something, chubby, unfit, couch potato then you're not going to win next season's Man of Steel.

 

His piece was about the power of the subconscious and how to harness it.  For example, if you daydream about opening your own business using skills you know you have then your subconscious will be prompting you to do things like save money, learn self-support skills and help you make 50/50 choices on things.  It's up to the conscious mind to take heed of these hints and do something about it though.  Most people ignore their inner voice and then wonder why they never realise their dreams.

 

He gave me a good example of how to bring forward your subconscious thought:  If you have a 50/50 choice on something and can't make your mind up, put the options as heads or tails then toss a coin and listen to your mind.  If when you toss your brain is hinting "please be heads!" then ignore what the result of the coin toss is and go do the heads option.  If you didn't hear the option but are even slightly disappointed with the result then go with the other option.  If you're getting no hints and don't mind the result then you've still got a decision from the coin so go do it!  If it's more than one option then write the options on bits of paper, put them in your pocket then listen to what your mind really wants when you reach in for the result.

 

That all said, some peoples' subconscious minds are a bit of a **** and will lead them to do dodgy things!

 

Very interesting. Some people do go through life quite content to plod on. I once worked in gardening with a guy who did amazingly well at university, but then failed to hack it in the real world. Motivational courses are big business, but then some ideas appear beyond logic. . 

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So far in my working life I have had 36 jobs.  I am about to embark on numbers 37 and 38.  

 

I don't think I am day dreaming, making dreams, just briskly bored with what I do.

 

My one unfulfilled dream, (apart from that one involving Winona Ryder), was to live in Australia for longer than I did.

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I would say im not a day dreamer, most thing's that i have set goals for that i have wanted to do i have achieved.

My next goal is to start my reflexology diploma this september.

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I would say im not a day dreamer, most thing's that i have set goals for that i have wanted to do i have achieved.

My next goal is to start my reflexology diploma this september.

 

Why?

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Why?

I would like to become a qualified reflexologist to work along side with my reiki healing, my next goal will be to enrol on an aromatherapy diploma after my reflexology.

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I would like to become a qualified reflexologist to work along side with my reiki healing, my next goal will be to enrol on an aromatherapy diploma after my reflexology.

 

So, dreams made real then.

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So, dreams made real then.

 Yes i like to believe so longboard, i think if you want thing's in life and you are willing to work hard and put the commitment in, then you can make your dreams come true.  ;)

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So, dreams made real then.

Are some dream's some sort of time travel as I have had dream's where I have been under Sydney bridge but in a strange area and then 6 month's later I was standing under Sydney bridge going me a dreamed this.

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As a youngster, I enjoyed endless hours making 1930s type houses using my Bayko set, and often dreamed of owning such a property complete with bay windows. I did end up with a lovely house, albeit not my Bayko one. 

 

Did any of your childhood dreams come true? 

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As a youngster, I enjoyed endless hours making 1930s type houses using my Bayko set, and often dreamed of owning such a property complete with bay windows. I did end up with a lovely house, albeit not my Bayko one.

Did any of your childhood dreams come true?

Yes. I wanted Rolf Harris to not be on TV.

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Did any of your childhood dreams come true? 

 

No, Newport Rugby Club are still going.

 

Fortunately, the team is rubbish.

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No, Newport Rugby Club are still going.

 

Fortunately, the team is rubbish.

 

As a youngster, I would practice kicking goals on the old St Helens Rec ground and dreamed of playing for the Saints at Wembley. Alas, this is one dream that went by the wayside. 

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