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My club is in Tier 4 - is there any reason why we shouldn't / can't pay players if we wanted to?

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Well obviously, and the other complications that arise from paying some and not others, loyalty etc. But I don't think there are any rules that prohibit this, at least if it's not a BARLA affiliated league.

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Any idea of the line up for CLS next year? What are the rumours?

Valley Cougars will be in it

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Any idea of the line up for CLS next year? What are the rumours?

 

 

Valley Cougars will be in it

 

Speaking to a committee member from one of the clubs, and rumour control has it that two clubs 'might' be leaving (both due to travel costs).  Several clubs interested in joining, possibly one from west country,  but nothing definite until they apply by end of August.

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Any word on who will make way in the London Premier or will it go ahead as a seven-team conference?

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Rumour control has it that there are several teams joining the London Premiership next season.  St Albans from the NCL South and at least two might be making the step up, which I think gives 9 teams with 16 rounds plus the London Cup competition.  However, I can't see anything being confirmed until the new year.

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If this is true then it's great news (finally) but many development areas still seem averse to push beyond 14 rounds.

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I see St Albans are dropping down to the London Premiership next season after a difficult year this year.

 

Its on our website now so I can confirm we will be applying to go back to the London Prem in 2014.  This season was horrific for us, we lost our coach/development officer and five senior players and did not get one new recruit.  We also suffered from a terrible run of injuries, so much so that we never played the same squad in any two games.  However, for the first time, all our players are local boys - not one Antipodean - (except for one lad from Widnes) which is great for the development of the club.  So we decided to regroup in the London Prem and build up our team again.

 

Rumour control has it that there are several teams joining the London Premiership next season.  St Albans from the NCL South and at least two might be making the step up, which I think gives 9 teams with 16 rounds plus the London Cup competition.  However, I can't see anything being confirmed until the new year.

 

I have also heard the rumour that there are several more clubs trying to get into the London Prem for next season, maybe another three or four clubs, (including us) are interested in joining.  If true, and it is a big if, I wonder if the powers that be would let a 9/10 team prem league go ahead?  But I also have been told that nothing will be decided/announced until after the World Cup.

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The problem right now is season length.  If you want a bigger league, you need to start earlier.  To get the Harry Jepson Trophy played, the Grand Final can’t really move from where it was this year on the third Saturday in August.  This season was 16 weeks long including the 9’s.  Four reserved weekends for the cup, one weekend for the nines and ten games fitting snugly in the remaining 11 weeks.    Hemel played two games before the 9’s but if you want a 14 week season and the cup and the 9s, everybody has to start in the last weekend of March with no rest weekends between.

 

Looking at the teams involved in the leagues right now, you have to wonder which ones are looking to move up.

 

London Premier

Last season:  Eastern Rhinos, Elmbridge Eagles, Hammersmith Hills Hoists, Hemel Stags A, London Skolars A, SWL Chargers

Applied/potential: St Albans Centurions

 

SE Regional

Last season: Medway Dragons, Portsmouth Navy Seahawks, Southampton Spitfires, Guildford Giants, Sussex Merlins, Weald Warriors

 

For completeness, the London Entry League

Last season: Barking & Dagenham Bulldogs, Beckenham Bears, Greenwich Admirals, Hammersmith Hill Hoists A, Mudchute Uncles, Newham Dockers, South West London Chargers A, Southend Spartans, St Albans Centurions A, Staines Titans, Thames Ditton Tigers, Weald Warriors A.

Unlikely to return: Barking and Dagenham (maybe - EGM to dissolve club at end of the month) Greenwich (folded midseason after playing one game), Mudchute (rumour mill suggests they’ll merge with Newham).

Applied/potential: South London RL, Enfield Enforcers

 

This would create a 2014 Entry League, unless there are major changes, of:

Barking & Dagenham Bulldogs (maybe), Beckenham Bears, Enfield Enforcers, Hammersmith Hill Hoists A, Newham Dockers, South London RL, South West London Chargers A, Southend Spartans, St Albans Centurions A, Staines Titans, Thames Ditton Tigers, Weald Warriors A.

And anybody else who turned up...

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Rock and a hard place really.  The one thing you hear  at clubs and forums is 'We need to make our season longer to compete with union'.  So what would happen if all six clubs from the London Prem stay in, St Albans joins them, and, say, two more clubs want to step up and they are good, well run clubs.  That would give you a nine team league, with sixteen rounds.  Add to that the nines and the cup comp and that give you a 21 week season.  Could we /should we run a 21 week season?

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If we're running 21 weeks and after the terrible weather we had last season, we might as well play in winter!

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If anyone thinks a London League will go longer than 14/15 'regular season' weeks then they are dreaming.

You can't start earlier due to Rugby Union finals taking place & you can't go longer (passed Challenge Cup Weekend) due to Harry Jepson etc.

You could run a 8 team comp max (14 rounds, a 9 team comp is the same as a 10 team comp) and maybe squeeze a cup competition before the regular season for the clubs that have enough players. With 50% of the cup games walk overs you would argue should it continue in the same format anyway?

9's could be played on a bank holiday weekend mid season?

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If anyone thinks a London League will go longer than 14/15 'regular season' weeks then they are dreaming.

You can't start earlier due to Rugby Union finals taking place & you can't go longer (passed Challenge Cup Weekend) due to Harry Jepson etc.

You could run a 8 team comp max (14 rounds, a 9 team comp is the same as a 10 team comp) and maybe squeeze a cup competition before the regular season for the clubs that have enough players. With 50% of the cup games walk overs you would argue should it continue in the same format anyway?

9's could be played on a bank holiday weekend mid season?

 

The Harry Jepson can be moved if the leagues that feed it want to run longer.

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The Harry Jepson can be moved if the leagues that feed it want to run longer.

 

But they would all have to agree. At what forum would that be discussed?

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Not sure how I feel about that one. On one hand, they're the best team based on player quality in the Entry League. They destroyed Weald and Elmbridge and beat Skolars A en route to the London Cup final. On the other, they barely scheduled a league game and then flaked on the playoffs.

I've suggested before that what's needed is a parallel division to the SERL which is a fully-fixtured 6 team division. Who those teams are, I don't know. If Staines, SL and Enfield are eager for fully fixtured, you need three other teams to take up the challenge.

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Staines want to move out of the entry league and have asked to go in the premier league

Surely the next step up for Staines would be from the London & South East Entry League to the South East League, then if they can manage that, into the London Premiership.

 

According to the London RL website, they only played 3 games this season.

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If Staines went into South East Regional then away days would be:

Southhampton

Portsmouth

Brighton

Gillingham (Medway)

Tunbridge Wells (Weald)

Guildford

Almost as bad as yours this year Exiled Townie?

I echo BBFAZ suggestion of a London Regional League, these four are a shoe in:

Newham/Mudchute Dockers

Beckenham Bears

Staines Titans

Thames Ditton (Esher) Tigers

Plus 2 from:

Enfield

South London

SW London A

Hammersmith A

Have a six team comp (10 rounds) which leaves weeks to reschedule if needed?

Teams could still enter Entry League when not playing in London Regional League?

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I think 5 team divisions with three (or more) weeks to enter into a Merit league arrangement would work quite well.  So you'd have South East Regional and London Regional, get a couple of days out in the big smoke/in the sticks with inter-conference play and have an inter-conference playoff to have a second tier grand final champion.

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I've suggested before that what's needed is a parallel division to the SERL which is a fully-fixtured 6 team division.

 

 

Surely the next step up for Staines would be from the London & South East Entry League to the South East League,

 

 

If Staines went into South East Regional then away days would be:

Southhampton

Portsmouth

Brighton

Gillingham (Medway)

Tunbridge Wells (Weald)

Guildford

Almost as bad as yours this year Exiled Townie?

I echo BBFAZ suggestion of a London Regional League, these four are a shoe in:

Newham/Mudchute Dockers

Beckenham Bears

Staines Titans

Thames Ditton (Esher) Tigers

Plus 2 from:

Enfield

South London

SW London A

Hammersmith A

Have a six team comp (10 rounds) which leaves weeks to reschedule if needed?

Teams could still enter Entry League when not playing in London Regional League?

 

Sorry BBFaz & London Drifter I misunderstood what you were saying.  Yes, it would be a good idea to have separate London and SEast regional leagues.  If we can see that, surely someone in a higher position in the RFL can as well. 

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The other idea somebody suggested before (I don't claim it as original work) is for two smaller divisions in the SE Regional League, maybe a "Metropolitan" division and a "Provincial" division.  Have teams like Weald, Sussex, Guildford, Southampton and Portsmouth in the provincial division and five London(ish) teams in another group.  Have a bit of crossover between the divisions to fill the season out and a joint playoff.

From what I've had said to me, the problem is clubs themselves looking to commit to a full season.  How many of the A teams are readily available week-in, week-out?  How many of the standalone clubs?

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