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figures out today show un employment slightly down but the number of young people out of work risen yet again, I think if I was say 19-20ish and couldn't get a foot on the ladder I would be wondering why and most likely looking for some one or some thing  to blame, is it the banks fault? is it because british industry has gone to the dogs? is it because the country is awash with cheap foreign labour? is it because youths expect more for less these days? why is a british young persons employment prospects looking gloomier than ever before in 2013 Britain?

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figures out today show un employment slightly down but the number of young people out of work risen yet again, I think if I was say 19-20ish and couldn't get a foot on the ladder I would be wondering why and most likely looking for some one or some thing  to blame, is it the banks fault? is it because british industry has gone to the dogs? is it because the country is awash with cheap foreign labour? is it because youths expect more for less these days? why is a british young persons employment prospects looking gloomier than ever before in 2013 Britain?

 

I would dare to say it's probably a bit of everything. 

 

The company I work for has taken on about 20 apprentices in about 5 years.  (We are a national multi-million company).

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The 2 young people I've just seen walking round Sainsbury's wondering "how much that ###### cost" are probably not typical, however, there's a certain number of young people who are basically unemployable. Entirely through their own actions/appearance/etc. There was a couple of interviews on a radio station this morning where starting at the bottom was somehow beneath them, their degree being a waste of money if it meant them working at Tesco stacking shelves.

 

We advertised for 2 positions a couple of years ago, 1 a more senior position, the other was for a school leaver to come in and do the crappy lab jobs. We ended up with 2 forty/fifty somethings, I think 1 under 20 applied for a position.

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Part of the problem is that young people aren't being properly prepared for the working environment. The schools allow them to present and perform work to an inadequate standard.

 

I have had numerous schoolkids (sixth form and college) work part-time for me. Their competence at spelling and grammar is atrocious.

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It seems that a large proportion of an entire generation does not have the work ethic of previous generations. We all know that the only way to become successful in life (however that may be defined) is through hard work, failing and learning from your mistakes. A lot of young people want the benefits of success without the hard work.

I must also point out that the majority of young people I work with are nothing like I have described and I'm assuming we are taking about unemployable young people.

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Can't help but think if I was unemployed and in my late teens/early 20's and be on my bike so to speak, might as well make use of the EU, most of it no more than a budget air ticket or long but cheap coach ride away.

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Part of the problem is that young people aren't being properly prepared for the working environment. The schools allow them to present and perform work to an inadequate standard.

 

I have had numerous schoolkids (sixth form and college) work part-time for me. Their competence at spelling and grammar is atrocious.

to be fair I have seen kids spend months at college in my trade, come back to site with a nvq level3 qualification and be just as useless as the day they left school, you cant beat practical on site sink or swim learning.

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Part of the problem is that young people aren't being properly prepared for the working environment. The schools allow them to present and perform work to an inadequate standard.

 

I have had numerous schoolkids (sixth form and college) work part-time for me. Their competence at spelling and grammar is atrocious.

Spot on there mate. I despair at the spelling of the young kids at work and I've given up trying to explain the difference between have and of.

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Being young and unemployed in the early 80's was far worse than today. You were basically left to rot. There was a few crappy schemes like YOP/YTS but nothing like the range of help available today.

Not that we gave a toss really mind.

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Being young and unemployed in the early 80's was far worse than today. You were basically left to rot. There was a few crappy schemes like YOP/YTS but nothing like the range of help available today.

Not that we gave a toss really mind.

with all due respect- think the options were a lot more open back then, industry and manufacturing were still strong and once on the ladder the future path was easier, mens jobs were not considered to be on supermarket tills back then.

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Manufacturing was shedding thousands of jobs a day and skilled, experienced workers at that during the 80s. Who the hell was going to employ a school leaver?

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with all due respect- think the options were a lot more open back then, industry and manufacturing were still strong and once on the ladder the future path was easier, mens jobs were not considered to be on supermarket tills back then.

They were not mate. I left school in 1982 and major manufacturing was disappearing fast. There weren't even many big supermarkets then to get jobs on the tills.

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It seems that a large proportion of an entire generation does not have the work ethic of previous generations. We all know that the only way to become successful in life (however that may be defined) is through hard work, failing and learning from your mistakes. A lot of young people want the benefits of success without the hard work.

 

I'd say you are not far off the mark with that statement.

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Part of the problem is that young people aren't being properly prepared for the working environment. The schools allow them to present and perform work to an inadequate standard.

 

I have had numerous schoolkids (sixth form and college) work part-time for me. Their competence at spelling and grammar is atrocious.

 

When have school kids ever been prepared, when I left school, I knew nothing about working environments, apart from what I was told by my father.

 

Being young and unemployed in the early 80's was far worse than today. You were basically left to rot. There was a few crappy schemes like YOP/YTS but nothing like the range of help available today.

Not that we gave a toss really mind.

The YTS/YOP schemes may have been crappy., but they did help a lot of people on their way - including me.

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The difference now is that businesses and individuals now are focused only on the short term.

That's the societal shift that will forever be Maggie's toxic legacy.

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Toxic legacy? So people should walk into the mill at 18 and leave at 65?

What an odd interpretation.

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The YTS/YOP schemes may have been crappy., but they did help a lot of people on their way - including me.

I'm glad it helped you but generally it was £25 for effectively a full time job (that was just a cheap labour scam) or if it wasn't that, it was a total waste of time course in something or other.

There certainly wasn't the encouragement to go to Uni etc

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Manufacturing is still strong. Aerospace, defence, automotive, process etc.can't`get enough skilled, bright and qualified engineers . One problem is getting the right people to the right part of the country.

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There has been an certain percentage who have basically been unemployable for a few decades. Its just this small percentage are very visible because of their nature (loud, a certain type of clothing, having a lot of free time during the day go to into town/supermarkets etc etc).

What we should be concentrating on is that vast majority of young people who have got off their duff and made a start at some sort of career. 

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Manufacturing is still strong. Aerospace, defence, automotive, process etc.can't`get enough skilled, bright and qualified engineers . One problem is getting the right people to the right part of the country.

The problem is that factories that once employed hundreds of people who were not particularly skilled or bright and gave them the chance to earn decent money. Those factories now employ a few on poor wages. I live near the old International Harvesters factory that once made tractors. It once employed 2000 people on good wages. It is now a Morrisons employing mostly women on not that great money. Not knocking it as such, but this scenario can be repeated many times all over the country. This is why manufacturing is not like it was, even if we were producing more today (I have no idea if we are)

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figures out today show un employment slightly down but the number of young people out of work risen yet again, I think if I was say 19-20ish and couldn't get a foot on the ladder I would be wondering why and most likely looking for some one or some thing  to blame, is it the banks fault? is it because british industry has gone to the dogs? is it because the country is awash with cheap foreign labour? is it because youths expect more for less these days? why is a british young persons employment prospects looking gloomier than ever before in 2013 Britain?

 

Manufacturing is still strong. Aerospace, defence, automotive, process etc.can't`get enough skilled, bright and qualified engineers . One problem is getting the right people to the right part of the country.

That's the word "Skilled"  how do school leavers become skilled when the first rung on the ladders are taken by foreign workers these days, the rung that taught kids that there was more than one 6 0'clock in a day, the rung that taught them punctuality, the rung that started them to think for themselves, the rung that moulded them into becoming good citizen's.

 

Some seem to think when we all left school we where all up and running and the bee's knee's, I bet if we could talk to the person who took us under their wing they will tell a slightly different tail but hopefully go on to say you made a good'un.

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Many of the jobs in manufacturing that school leavers used to take up  no longer exist though.   Serried ranks of manual and semi-auto lathes and mills have been replaced by injection molding machines. One guy now looks after five or more  24/7 high-speed machining centres with robotic toolchangers.  There are no longer huge numbers of spinning and weaving machines to keep going. The vacancies are for people with Masters in CAE, Manufacturing Technology etc. 

 

Cameron in Leeds have 9 jobs posted on their web site: for example : here

 

Nissan are looking for people in Sunderland: see here

 

Siemens have 192  vacancies in the UK; see here

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I'm glad it helped you but generally it was £25 for effectively a full time job (that was just a cheap labour scam) or if it wasn't that, it was a total waste of time course in something or other.

There certainly wasn't the encouragement to go to Uni etc

I know it sounds unfair but getting that initial experience is always the problem. When my wife left uni about 8 years ago she volunteered to work at a local company for free in their accounts department for 6 weeks even though she had a 1:1 in Law and Accounts. Other students with the same grades took up to 6 months to get a job and really struggled. She had 3 full time offers within a month of completing the six weeks.

It may seem like a cheap labour scam, but what my wife got out of it was some real work experience, a good business reference, something to discuss that she's done in industry in an interview and a 2 days a week paid job (in the same place) until she got a permanent role sorted.

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