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Is there a problem with the new ball? After Thursdays drop-a thon and a few weeks back in the cup semi final it appears that with any excess moisture through humidity or slight drizzle the players seem unable to keep a grip on the ball. Neither Warrington or Hull could surely not make so many errors in a normal game. If there is a problem with the ball i hope it is rectified before the world cup. Imagine the fiasco if this happened in the WC final because it will almost certainly be raining in November.

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Is there a problem with the new ball? After Thursdays drop-a thon and a few weeks back in the cup semi final it appears that with any excess moisture through humidity or slight drizzle the players seem unable to keep a grip on the ball. Neither Warrington or Hull could surely not make so many errors in a normal game. If there is a problem with the ball i hope it is rectified before the world cup. Imagine the fiasco if this happened in the WC final because it will almost certainly be raining in November.

Steeden are supplying the World Cup balls.

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There has been a sudden jump in the number of knockonathons and I think it must be related to the ball. You could argue that the standard of the league has slipped but you don't find knockonathons at the lower level simply because the standard is lower.

The Rhino chief has denied there is a problem but he would.

It's not a good sign that we're using a different ball for the world cup, a ball that the Aussies have been using all year.

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It's not a good sign that we're using a different ball for the world cup, a ball that the Aussies have been using all year.

If you can catch a bar of soap it should seem easy to catch something with grip.

But your right, the flight and characteristics of a familiar ball will give them another little bit of advantage and the Aussies are always looking for the edge in the little things.

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The Rhino chief is ex-Saints CEO Tony Colquitt. He has said there is nothing wrong with them but they are looking to make some improvements. Sounds like political spin to me.

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No worries for the World Cup. As they've been using the Rhino bar of soap in Super League I expect NO knock ons from England for the entire World Cup when they use the sticky Steedens. ;-)

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The Rhino chief is ex-Saints CEO Tony Colquitt. He has said there is nothing wrong with them but they are looking to make some improvements. Sounds like political spin to me.

 

He's hardly likely to say that his products are pap as he snuggles under the duvet with every wimbledon champion's dreamboat now is he?

 

Bring back Steedon.

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The current steedon ball,used in Austalia i beleive, will be used in the WC, is that right?.If so why has SLE chosen to use the Rhino ball " this season" if its completely different?

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The current steedon ball,used in Austalia i beleive, will be used in the WC, is that right?.If so why has SLE chosen to use the Rhino ball " this season" if its completely different?

Because the ball deal was up for negotiation and I presume Rhino was cheaper (or considered better...ok cheaper).

 

Rhino for 3 years I think.

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It wasn't the cheaper aspect, Rhino simply threw more money at the RFL than Steeden.  Not a surprise, Rhino did the same with the English RFU to steal that partnership from Gilbert (who is owned by the same company as Steeden).

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It wasn't the cheaper aspect, Rhino simply threw more money at the RFL than Steeden.  Not a surprise, Rhino did the same with the English RFU to steal that partnership from Gilbert (who is owned by the same company as Steeden).

 

Well we can't complain too much if the RFL got more money for once!

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Well we can't complain too much if the RFL got more money for once!

Exactly. But people still will!

As for the Aussies having an advantage, how? If you practise with a ball that's harder to use, by the time you get an easier ball it is REALLY easy to use! It's why we used to train with tennis-ball sized rugby balls! By the time you get the normal size back it feels like you're catching a blimp! Easy.

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Article in the papers this week suggests Rhino want to be in RL for the long-term. They seem to have paid more than Steeden were prepared to pay, so good on 'em. We need a bit of competition for sponsors & suppliers in RL.

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Exactly. But people still will!

As for the Aussies having an advantage, how? If you practise with a ball that's harder to use, by the time you get an easier ball it is REALLY easy to use! It's why we used to train with tennis-ball sized rugby balls! By the time you get the normal size back it feels like you're catching a blimp! Easy.

I do not agree with this. skills are specific. although there will be some transferable factors involved with the tennis ball, there are other constraints that come into play, e.g. weight of the ball, timing of the muscle action, information processing in the brain. obviously there will be a very high crossover between a steeden and a rhino, although it will not be 100%. it may only be a 99% crossover, however, this would still disadvantage us against a team that has prepared with the correct playing implement.

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I would like to see the old ARL ball which was yellow with a black stripe on either end.

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I do not agree with this. skills are specific. although there will be some transferable factors involved with the tennis ball, there are other constraints that come into play, e.g. weight of the ball, timing of the muscle action, information processing in the brain. obviously there will be a very high crossover between a steeden and a rhino, although it will not be 100%. it may only be a 99% crossover, however, this would still disadvantage us against a team that has prepared with the correct playing implement.

 

The cross over isn't anywhere near the figures you imagine.  The Rhino is a cart horse, the Steeden is a thoroughbred.  

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Article in the papers this week suggests Rhino want to be in RL for the long-term. They seem to have paid more than Steeden were prepared to pay, so good on 'em. We need a bit of competition for sponsors & suppliers in RL.

 

On the flipside Steeden are a born and bred rugby league brand/company with a long history of producing RL footballs. Never heard of Rhino until the RFL announcement.

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On the flipside Steeden are a born and bred rugby league brand/company with a long history of producing RL footballs. Never heard of Rhino until the RFL announcement.

 

Steeden stopped being a born and bred Rugby League brand in 1995 when Grey-Nicolls bought them out.  These days Steeden's are pretty much made in the same factory's that Gilbert's are made in India. 

 

Rhino will get better, but the fact is Steeden has the runs on the board in terms of making a good synthetic RL ball.  It's one of those things that will unfortunately take a few years.  

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Steeden stopped being a born and bred Rugby League brand in 1995 when Grey-Nicolls bought them out.  These days Steeden's are pretty much made in the same factory's that Gilbert's are made in India. 

 

Apologies to have to correct you, but the Steeden factory is a completely different one to the Gilbert one and is in fact in a different city.

The Steeden is still the players choice throughout the world and remains a born and bred Rugby League brand. Steeden are in it for the long term despite what rumours you may have heard or read, and progress is being made as we speak to allow Steeden to continue as the No 1 Rugby League ball in the UK.

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Colquit has brought a hell of a lot of funding to RL in this country.

He's obviously brought more money in from Rhino than the RFL were getting from Steeden, and he was the former driector of Gillette UK who brought their sponsorship to the game for many years.

 

Regardless of the current issues with the ball our game needs more people like Colquit to get big business involved and bring much needed investment.

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having used both balls, in my opinion the Steeden is head and shoulders above the current Rhino ball. The Rhino ball can be really slippery, but that doesn't mean to say we should just switch back to Steeden. If Rhino are offering more money to supply balls, and can improve the current ball to a level where it is on par or better than the previous Steeden, then happy days. But the RFL need to (and should have to begin with) done some serious testing to make sure the ball is up to scratch.

 

If Rhino cant provide a ball as good as the Steeden then we need to revert back to the Steeden.

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flipside Steeden are a born and bred rugby league brand/company with a long history of producing RL footballs. Never heard of Rhino until the RFL announcement.

Wasn't the dreaded 8 panel ball a Rhino?

I know they made them as my club played with 8 panel Rhino balls back in the Rugby League Conference.

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