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Who should replace London Broncos in Superleague 2014 ?

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London broncos but properly capitalised and with access to a decent playing base

 

It's been considered amongst SL chairmen as Neil Hudgell came out a year or so back and said that the RFL may do this. Then as the financial situation bit Mr. Wood came out and said they could not do this.

 

Whether this was purely financial IMHO I doubt it, because as Mr. Sadler intimated several SL chairmen were happy to let Bradford go to the wall to get a bigger slice of the pie. As Padge intimates there's no forward planning just a grab for the biggest slice of a small cake.

 

The reality IMHO is Toulouse fit the bill exactly and in answer to the question above, Toulouse say that the French money people will only back an SL club not a second tier club.

 

For those wishing London's demise, the removal of a professional club from an area and the effect is has on people wanting to play and watch the game has many precedents in places like Workington, Gateshead, Oldham, South Wales, Sheffield, Paris etc. there's no reason RL in London won't go into a similar demise unless someone has any logic or reasoning to suggest the reverse?

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How about a London team (ran by the RFL) based on their young lads playing out the year on the road at low cost grounds like Hemel/Skolars/Oxford?

Very good idea

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If there is no London Broncos franchise I think the RFL are going to have to look to fund a 14th team as a stop-gap measure.  It's not like anybody will lose out by the Broncos away support not turning up.

 

I'd look to the model of the Unicorns that have been dicking around in the 40 over cricket league.

 

Like I say, just for 1 season until everything is sorted from 2015 onwards.

No chance what so ever of the RFL funding a new Super League club.

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No chance what so ever of the RFL funding a new Super League club.

 

Just a stop gap not a long term commitment.

 

Sarginson's off to Wigan on a 5 year contract according to Chuckles Chris Irvine by the way.

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Just a stop gap not a long term commitment.

 

Sarginson's off to Wigan on a 5 year contract according to Chuckles Chris Irvine by the way.

 

That would be a great move for the kid. 

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From someone (a Leeds fan) who watched the game, and a letter in LE about refereeing standards. Are you really saying Dave that refs don't favour SL sides when they play Championship sides in cup-ties? Because if you believe that you'll believe anything.  I've seen it countless times, at Fev and in the occasional televised tie.  In fact as I posted recently, the only time I've ever seen a player sinned-binned for "persistent off-side" was in a cup tie between Fev and Leeds.  Even last year when in the end Fev were fairly beaten by Wigan, Tomkins clearly knocked on under his own posts and the officials ignored it and penalised Fev for some unknown misdemeanor on the next tackle.

 

Or perhaps it could be that the part-time players fatigue easier and hence lay on at the tackle or spoil more to try and even the game up against SL sides. This has happened for as long as anyone can remember. It is up to referees to referee what they see not to 'even things up' based on who is playing who. You will have also seen London get cained in the penalty count against Wigan in the semi-final no doubt. The referee obviously had been given different instructions that day - not to favour London.

 

The fact that you didn't watch the game means you will not have seen Sheffield hardly completing a set of six.

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So you didn't watch the game yourself?

As it happens, I did and what I can tell you is that Sheffield couldn't retain possession and continually gifted London field position.

It took a while for London to capitalise as the Eagles did actually defend reasonably well but, once they did, it was game over.

The ref was fine.

 

Fine ?

 

They admitted several errors on Twitter the following Tuesday, all of which went London's way.

 

(Tommy Lee ball steal just before half time, Scott Turner disallowed try, knock on that the VR missed .......)

 

Maybe not enough to turn the game but to suggest that this was a great performance by the referee is a minority opinion.  It doesn't seem to be held by the referees themselves.

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It was no worse than any players performance

At least the ref didn't miss a tackle or knock on once

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It was no worse than any players performance

At least the ref didn't miss a tackle or knock on once

 

That doesn't make his performance "fine".  Neither does the fact that the better team won make his performance "fine".

 

I see this comment about referees not missing tackles or knocks on (he missed a few of those actually).

 

He's not there to make tackles or carry the ball, is he ?  He's there to watch the game and blow his whistle.  I doubt if he'll be talking to his mates in the pub in a few years time saying "Hey, remember that great game I had at the old DVS back in 2013 ?".

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I agree London don't look like they'll be around next year. They are losing 8-9 players (so far) and have no announced any new players coming into the club. From what Craig Gower has said in the press, it doesn't seem like the coaching staff and management care anymore whether they win or lose.

 

I think bringing in Toulouse for 2014 would be a mistake at this late stage. I would allow the winning CC club this season to be promoted, and tell Toulouse now that they are in for 2015, at the expense of the bottom-placed club next year. It is most definitely a stop-gap solution, and would mean a lower-standard league next year with no London team either. But from 2015 the league will be very strong.

 

This solution helps bring in Toulouse with plenty of time to prepare, allow P&R- keeping those CC followers happy. And if the CC club can survive next year, Then good luck to them.

 

As for London, the best solution may be to start 3-4 London based Championship 1 clubs in the Broncos place, and allow them to slowly build from the bottom up. 

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I agree London don't look like they'll be around next year. They are losing 8-9 players (so far) and have no announced any new players coming into the club. From what Craig Gower has said in the press, it doesn't seem like the coaching staff and management care anymore whether they win or lose.

 

I think bringing in Toulouse for 2014 would be a mistake at this late stage. I would allow the winning CC club this season to be promoted, and tell Toulouse now that they are in for 2015, at the expense of the bottom-placed club next year. It is most definitely a stop-gap solution, and would mean a lower-standard league next year with no London team either. But from 2015 the league will be very strong.

 

This solution helps bring in Toulouse with plenty of time to prepare, allow P&R- keeping those CC followers happy. And if the CC club can survive next year, Then good luck to them.

 

As for London, the best solution may be to start 3-4 London based Championship 1 clubs in the Broncos place, and allow them to slowly build from the bottom up. 

 

Some good ideas there.

 

London do appear to have hit the wall and it looks increasing like something needs to be done to find a replacement for 2014.

 

My only reservation with elevating a championship club is who do you pick?  As the system stands, none of them have had the opportunity to build a team capable of making the step up.  No one can seriously think that whoever is selected will survive with their current squads and they are all in the middle of signing up next year's squads, on a part time basis.

 

If London do go belly up, I think the only viable solution is to run with 13 clubs next year and have a Championship all stars team take their place at Magic.

 

As for what happens after London implode, I really like the idea of starting 3 or 4 C1 clubs in the capital.  It will be a great opportunity to start some local rivalries and start building a capital wide following for the game.

 

I'd also go nowhere near the word "London".  If you look at soccer, not one team uses the word, and in RU, London is secondary to such as Irish, Welsh etc.  I'd find a suitable area of London and name the team after that e.g. Westminster Storm, Harringay Rovers etc

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Some good ideas there.

 

London do appear to have hit the wall and it looks increasing like something needs to be done to find a replacement for 2014.

 

My only reservation with elevating a championship club is who do you pick?  As the system stands, none of them have had the opportunity to build a team capable of making the step up.  No one can seriously think that whoever is selected will survive with their current squads and they are all in the middle of signing up next year's squads, on a part time basis.

 

If London do go belly up, I think the only viable solution is to run with 13 clubs next year and have a Championship all stars team take their place at Magic.

 

As for what happens after London implode, I really like the idea of starting 3 or 4 C1 clubs in the capital.  It will be a great opportunity to start some local rivalries and start building a capital wide following for the game.

 

I'd also go nowhere near the word "London".  If you look at soccer, not one team uses the word, and in RU, London is secondary to such as Irish, Welsh etc.  I'd find a suitable area of London and name the team after that e.g. Westminster Storm, Harringay Rovers etc

 

While I agree the promoted Championship team would have little time to prepare, these are the odds it would face anyway if P&R is brought back permanently. This way would allow the RFL to 'trial' a return to P&R for a season without committing to it permanently. The winning championship club will get it's shot at the big time, and Toulouse get in the comp in 2014 with good preparation. While I think they Championship team would struggle to be competitive, the destiny would be in their own hands, and if they are relegated at season's end, at least they've had their shot.

 

The important thing would be to announce it now. That would create great interest in this seasons Championship, and with 10 teams still in contention for a top-6 place, every team will have something to play for.

 

As for London, the Championship 1 is a relatively low-cost option for developing the game in London, so if they can get 3-4 teams down here they could survive of smallish crowds initially. I think an Acton-Shepherd's Bush based team is a must. There is a good core of Aussies and Kiwis here that would support the team- perhaps not enough for a SL team, but certainly a Championship 1 team.

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Talk on the London forum on RLfans that a West Yorkshire club has been lined up to take our SL place next season if we don't carry on.

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While I agree the promoted Championship team would have little time to prepare, these are the odds it would face anyway if P&R is brought back permanently. This way would allow the RFL to 'trial' a return to P&R for a season without committing to it permanently. The winning championship club will get it's shot at the big time, and Toulouse get in the comp in 2014 with good preparation. While I think they Championship team would struggle to be competitive, the destiny would be in their own hands, and if they are relegated at season's end, at least they've had their shot.

 

The important thing would be to announce it now. That would create great interest in this seasons Championship, and with 10 teams still in contention for a top-6 place, every team will have something to play for.

 

As for London, the Championship 1 is a relatively low-cost option for developing the game in London, so if they can get 3-4 teams down here they could survive of smallish crowds initially. I think an Acton-Shepherd's Bush based team is a must. There is a good core of Aussies and Kiwis here that would support the team- perhaps not enough for a SL team, but certainly a Championship 1 team.

 

The thing is that currently, the championship clubs are stuck with a £300,000 salary cap.  Whereas in 2015, they will have an as yet undisclosed larger cap (to allow those teams that are able to, to go full (ish) time).

 

It wouldn't really be a trial of P&R as the two systems would be completely different.

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Talk on the London forum on RLfans that a West Yorkshire club has been lined up to take our SL place next season if we don't carry on.

 

So that's Fev or Halifax.

 

There have been rumblings about going full time next year, but I'd dismissed them as there has been no announcement about an increase in cap.

 

If it's Fev, it would certainly explain rumours like letting Finn go to Halifax with a year left on his contract with us. (he'd not want to go full time, he has a well paid "real" job)

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Talk on the London forum on RLfans that a West Yorkshire club has been lined up to take our SL place next season if we don't carry on.

hopefully broncos stay in super league but if the unthinkable happened then leigh should replace them..........i am sick of the yawkshure bias in RL

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The thing is that currently, the championship clubs are stuck with a £300,000 salary cap. Whereas in 2015, they will have an as yet undisclosed larger cap (to allow those teams that are able to, to go full (ish) time).

It wouldn't really be a trial of P&R as the two systems would be completely different.

Despite having a larger salary cap, letting Fev or Halifax or any Championship club in at this stage would lead to a comfortable bottom placed finish if they replaced London at this stage.

There just isn't any quality players a CC club could sign to compete. Look at all the other clubs they started recruiting for next season months ago.

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Despite having a larger salary cap, letting Fev or Halifax or any Championship club in at this stage would lead to a comfortable bottom placed finish if they replaced London at this stage.

There just isn't any quality players a CC club could sign to compete. Look at all the other clubs they started recruiting for next season months ago.

 

Kieran Dixon, Tony Clubb, Dan Sargison, Mark Bryant ...... this can quickly take us back to the happy days of 'relegation supermarket sweep' . Remember the likes of Gray Viane leaving the relegated club to join another cellar dweller 3/4 years in a row.

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hopefully broncos stay in super league but if the unthinkable happened then leigh should replace them..........i am sick of the yawkshure bias in RL

Hardly bias. Leigh would be an excellent candidate if they were a better side on the field.

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Despite having a larger salary cap, letting Fev or Halifax or any Championship club in at this stage would lead to a comfortable bottom placed finish if they replaced London at this stage.

There just isn't any quality players a CC club could sign to compete. Look at all the other clubs they started recruiting for next season months ago.

It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't going to relegate two sides (minimum) next year as we go from 14 teams to 12. I'm all for giving the replaced side a one season exception from relegation and relegate the sides that finish 12th and 13th.

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It wouldn't be so bad if we weren't going to relegate two sides (minimum) next year as we go from 14 teams to 12. I'm all for giving the replaced side a one season exception from relegation and relegate the sides that finish 12th and 13th.

That would be more reasonable. Personally however, I hope London stay and have a more successful year next year.

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That would be more reasonable. Personally however, I hope London stay and have a more successful year next year.

If they are going to stay then they need to sign a new team and fast. Most of their decent and semi-decent 2013 squad have left. They cannot hope to compete with what is left.

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Talk on the London forum on RLfans that a West Yorkshire club has been lined up to take our SL place next season if we don't carry on.

I hope If or who takes London place is debt free. It wouldn't be a good thing to go inti Super League already in debt.

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This game is in serious trouble if a team from the capital of England is replaced by a team from a run down pit village.

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This game is in serious trouble if a team from the capital of England is replaced by a team from a run down pit village.

That run down pit village your referring to as better attendance averages than some SL clubs. It will have a centre of excellence in no time which not all SL clubs have. It also as a wealthy backer which some SL clubs don't have. It is also upgrading its ground which some SL clubs grounds haven't been upgraded since WW2. Need I go on to curb your arrogance towards a pit village team?.But as for London I hope they stay in SL and can get through this crisis.

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