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Where would Wigan, Warrington Huddersfield fininsh in the NRL realistically?

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If Wigan played in the NRL then Padge would probably concede that they were Fulltime.

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We will soon find out just where we sit in the international pecking order after the World Cup. Just wondered what people thought our top clubs chances would be given a full season in the NRL?

Without caveats and based on today I'd say the Giants and the Rhinos would go ok with the rest down the bottom end.

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Luke Burgess is a bit of an anomaly in this regard and I'd challenge you to find more examples to back up your point. On the other hand, there are numerous examples of fringe NRL players coming to the Super League and excelling - Scott Dureau, Rangi Chase and Michael Dobson are a few that spring to mind.

 

Herein is the biggest difference between the two leagues imo

 

Of our best few teams, the majority of the side could be very useful in the NRL. The success of our forwards currently down under (and with a couple exceptions, mediocrity of Aussie forwards playing in SL) is evidence enough of that.

 

If you look at our half backs though, we see a completely different story. There's an enormous difference in the quality of your 6 and 7 for even the top SL clubs and what you find in the NRL. How many Aussie teams would take Smith and Green as a partnership?

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I returned from holiday in Oz yesterday, and whilst there watched two games, St George v Canterbury and last Fridays Souths v Manly.

Of the two games I saw the quality of the first was decidedly average, St George were very ordinary and were only kept in the game by a great performance from Josh Dugan at fullback. Canterbury were 'ok', the most damage being done by Pritchard and Kasiano in the forwards, two big boys. On that showing I'd say our top three could certainly mix it with those two no problem.

Souths v Manly was a completely different kettle of fish. On that showing I reckon our top three wouldn't have lived with them. Souths forwards went very well, the good news being that three of them are English, although Luke didn't seem to play many minutes probably as it was his first game back from injury. A really good game.

I saw plenty of other games/highlights on tv and certainly Paramatta and Wests wouldn't cause too many sleepless nights in Wigan, Huddersfield or Warrington on current form.

Hardly the most scientific of studies, I know, but I reckon our three would go ok and finish anywhere from 3rd to 9th

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Luke Burgess is a bit of an anomaly in this regard and I'd challenge you to find more examples to back up your point. On the other hand, there are numerous examples of fringe NRL players coming to the Super League and excelling - Scott Dureau, Rangi Chase and Michael Dobson are a few that spring to mind.

Your correct but there are also examples of the same fringe players going back to the NRL after playing in SL and becoming stars, I think you mentioned one in Dobson who will turn a few heads next season.

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Luke Burgess is a bit of an anomaly in this regard and I'd challenge you to find more examples to back up your point. On the other hand, there are numerous examples of fringe NRL players coming to the Super League and excelling - Scott Dureau, Rangi Chase and Michael Dobson are a few that spring to mind.

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Since when has Luke Burgess been tearing up the NRL? He is the ordinary one of the 4 brothers.

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Since when has Luke Burgess been tearing up the NRL? He is the ordinary one of the 4 brothers.

Ordinary NRL standard or SL standard.

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What people have to understand is that if Huddersfield, Wigan and Warrington were in the NRL then they would be able to pay the full salary cap of course. This would mean that key players rumoured to be leaving would be retained and other players would be added to bulk up the squad.

 

I agree with what has been said here - Wests, Parra etc. have been shocking this year and taken some real hammerings. We have seen numerous 50, 60, 70 point beatings across the season and quite a few nillings. I would say all 3 would sit between 10 and 5 comfortably.

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If Eddie and Stevo commentated on the NRL everyone would think it was rubbish

The biggest problem in people's perceptions of our game is the Sky team provide a very negative commentary where as generally the NRL just looks at the good stuff and ignores errors

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If Eddie and Stevo commentated on the NRL everyone would think it was rubbish

The biggest problem in people's perceptions of our game is the Sky team provide a very negative commentary where as generally the NRL just looks at the good stuff and ignores errors

I don't think that's necessarily true, Eddie and Stevo get lambasted for going over the top in their praise in the commentary depending on who you listen to.

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What people have to understand is that if Huddersfield, Wigan and Warrington were in the NRL then they would be able to pay the full salary cap of course. This would mean that key players rumoured to be leaving would be retained and other players would be added to bulk up the squad.

 

I agree with what has been said here - Wests, Parra etc. have been shocking this year and taken some real hammerings. We have seen numerous 50, 60, 70 point beatings across the season and quite a few nillings. I would say all 3 would sit between 10 and 5 comfortably.

This is a good point, these clubs would be able to invest heavily in additional players due to the larger salary caps.

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I don't think that's necessarily true, Eddie and Stevo get lambasted for going over the top in their praise in the commentary depending on who you listen to.

That's also part of the problem, they go mental about a team, or player, playing well when they patently aren't and then immediately switch to saying how bad an error the defending player or ref had just made

They are both enthusiastic without merit and damming to the point of insulting

The one thing the NRL has going for it is the commentary.

I'd love to see the same game with Sky, the NRL and the BBC providing commentary and see how much it alters people's view of the game

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Are we allowed the same salary cap, and the same level of coaching and back room staff? If so, give it a couple of years and our top teams would go well. I think Wigan and Leeds would be best placed, as they have the best youth systems and so could more easily produce strength in depth, but if Scott Moore can get a run in the NRL, clearly the minimum standards are no higher.

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Surely the point of this thread is to discuss how the actual current teams would fare against the current teams in the NRL?

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Surely the point of this thread is to discuss how the actual current teams would fare against the current teams in the NRL?

Maybe, but the question was asking about the top clubs rather than teams.

 

When you look at the salary cap differences, it is not a fair comparison.

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Any SL club playing in the NRL every week would have to change their style of play. The lying on and messing around at the PTB which is prevalent in SL would see our teams penalised out of the game every week.

The other major factor that I think would see most SL teams finish in the bottom half of the NRL league would be our lack of experience at playing at a higher intensity week in week out. NRL coaches teach their players to drive the opposition back in the tackle and knock them on the floor. For some reason SL coaches seem to coach our tacklers to 'bear hug' the opposition and then wrestle them to the ground or hold them up.

I think it would a good 2-3 seasons before SL teams start to adapt and can really challenge the top NRL teams week in week out.

Could you please tell that to Melbourne Storm?

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Maybe, but the question was asking about the top clubs rather than teams.

 

When you look at the salary cap differences, it is not a fair comparison.

Yeah, but we can compare current teams relatively easily, it seems completely pointless comparing a hypothetical Wigan with more money and different players to current NRL sides.

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I am not sure it's pointless at all. Even the same players would be better with better coaching, support staff and general infrastructure on things like diet, medical support and conditioning. If instead we are simply dropping those teams and clubs today into the NRL, then they may well struggle, but they'd be mad not to invest to put themselves on a level playing field.

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If SL clubs were exposed to the same level of intensity as the NRL,I'm sure our top 3 would give very good accounts of themselves.i don't buy into the Aussie "supermen" myth  that many fall for.

 

It's not an Aussie supermen myth though. NRL is the best competition in the world. When people talk of the high quality of the premier league in football(soccer) they aren't suggesting that English players are supermen. Clearly the Aussies aren't supermen, as evidenced by the influx of players from outside Australia into the competition. But what the Aussies obviously have is the strongest rugby league competition on planet earth, comfortably. For that reason most SL teams wouldn't get a look in.

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Of course any team just suddenly transplanted would struggle with the week to week intensity having not experienced it in Super-league.   But once having played in the NRL they would adjust to the intensity and improve.  The key is to improve the regularity of intensity in Super-league.   The evidence of ex super-league players doing well in NRL tells us that the clubs would also adjust in time.  

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Are we allowed the same salary cap, and the same level of coaching and back room staff? If so, give it a couple of years and our top teams would go well. I think Wigan and Leeds would be best placed, as they have the best youth systems and so could more easily produce strength in depth, but if Scott Moore can get a run in the NRL, clearly the minimum standards are no higher.

 

Agreed with the fact that trained and playing to the NRL standards for some seasons then so many S/L players would become much better exponents of the game, excellence does breed excellence that is a fact in all sports.

 

But, you should do more research when quoting Scott Moore and players making it in the NRL from the N/Hemi. He was given the chance early in the season, the first six or seven games I would guess.

Since then, to my knowledge, he has had one spell in the first team which lasted for about 15 minutes and was dropped for the next game.

 

That does not in my book signify that Scott Moore is a huge success (yet) by any means down under.

NQ were needing an hooker badly but Scott could not fulfil that role with any sort of quality and is currently at least it would seem third in line for selection, this at a club without a fully recognised hooker otherwise than Moore, before this season started, then on its books. 

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Of course any team just suddenly transplanted would struggle with the week to week intensity having not experienced it in Super-league.   But once having played in the NRL they would adjust to the intensity and improve.  The key is to improve the regularity of intensity in Super-league.   The evidence of ex super-league players doing well in NRL tells us that the clubs would also adjust in time.  

 

That bemuses me somewhat, if as you seem to believe, that any S/L side would simply grow into a fully competitive NRL team, simply through becoming used to and made aware of the intensity required for the NRL, so thereby naturally grow into a competitive NRL side, how do you explain the negative and deserved comments placed in the direction of Parramatta and Wests concerning their lack of ability in doing so, after being brought up and being conditioned to the aspects required to compete successfully in that competition? 

 

Luke Burgess was playing very well last season and his injury that has kept him out of the game for all of this season is possibly the factor that he now has to get over quickly, simply in order to re-establish his credentials.

Last weeks return was not at all good and a lot of improvement will be necassary from him. But Luke and Scott moore apart, Sam B, J Graham and G Ellis all went over with large reputations, possibly being the best in their positions over here and all have coped, excelled and further enhanced them since going to the NRL.

 

However S Moore has not done so and it remains to be seen how those heading that way next season will perform when the do get there.

I hope all prove as good as the three I have mentioned but should any exceed what the Burgess twins, especially George have accomplished that will certainly prove an eye opener indeed. The Aussies will most certainly have to re-appraise their opinions on English players.

None of them to my knowledge are currently setting even the S/L on fire, let alone the NRL. 

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Based in Oz full time - Around 5th-10th.

 

Flying over every 2 weeks - Bottom 3.

 

 

I spent a three months this year working two weeks in the UK and then two weeks in Australia.  It's bloody tough going.  By the end I was basically a vegetable.

 

If you put the Roosters or Souths into the SL on the basis that they would travel to and from Australia to play home and away fixtures like any other team they would finish bottom of the table by a mile.  Believe me, they'd struggle to win a game in the back half of the season.

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