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The Met Police and Brazilians

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What is it with the Met Police and Brazilian nationals?

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That reporter's boyfriend certainly had a close shave.

 

Steady!

 

Stay away from the nut jokes...

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I'd be interested to hear what the journalists amongst us think about this?

From the public side this sounds quite insidious and could easily be viewed as a government making things uncomfortable for a reporter who has researched and published and a story that is uncomfortable reading for said government and its international allies.

Its interesting that one of the things being talked about when discussing legislation for the press was enshrining the principle of a free press in to law. Could certainly be time for that section of the legislation.

and I suspect that even some people on here who hate the Guardian may find this story in the HuffPo a bit disturbing if true

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/20/rusbridger-snowden-greenw_n_3783558.html?1376984208&utm_hp_ref=uk

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The amazing thing is that the authorities might have thought that these were the only discs. Even the Guardian might have had the wit to think of backing them up. 

 

Having said that, the Guardian seems to think they are the only organisation with the right to break the law. Live by the sword, die by the sword...oh, and don't forget to pay your taxes.

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The amazing thing is that the authorities might have thought that these were the only discs. Even the Guardian might have had the wit to think of backing them up. 

 

Having said that, the Guardian seems to think they are the only organisation with the right to break the law. Live by the sword, die by the sword...oh, and don't forget to pay your taxes.

 

What law's been broken?

 

And, as you pointed out for other folk, they presumably pay all the taxes they're legally obligated so to do.

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The amazing thing is that the authorities might have thought that these were the only discs. Even the Guardian might have had the wit to think of backing them up. 

 

Having said that, the Guardian seems to think they are the only organisation with the right to break the law. Live by the sword, die by the sword...oh, and don't forget to pay your taxes.

I'm confused! Are you backing a free press or not? Or only a free right wing press?

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I'm backing the rule of law.  You know, the Theft Act, The Official Secrets Act, that sort of thing.    Don't you? 

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Of course, like you and many others,  I back the freedom of the press.  I back the rule of law too, like you and many others (excluding of course Caroline Lucas MP who can choose which laws she obeys  its a socialist thing, I believe.  The Guardian like everyone else, should be free to obey the law and if they break it, they should pay the penalty, just like everyone else.  So yes, freedom, oh freedom, thats (not) just some people talking.....

 

I was actually outraged when I heard about the use of the Terrorism act to detain Miranda......until it became known that it was a Guardian sting, then suddenly i realised that it was OK after all.

 

The Guardian is free to pursue whatever agenda it likes but when it comes to breaking the law, revealing stolen security information etc then it has to live with the consequences.  Anyway, the Guardian is a rubbish newspaper....the ink comes off it.

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The ink seems to come off all of them! Except those without a print run.

Naturally I believe in the rule of law, but a free press is also essential to help ensure a transparent(ish) democracy, how are we supposed to have an informed debate if the information is limited.

Incidentally in what way was the Miranda thing a guardian sting? I seem to have missed that, and I don't tend to limit my reading to the guardian (see above). Please could you point me in the direction of that information?

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The ink seems to come off all of them! Except those without a print run.

The Guardian used to be the worst in this regard, but changed their ink formulation several years ago. 

 

The main problem is adverts with black backgrounds, which will coat your fingertips with any newspaper.

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Of course, like you and many others,  I back the freedom of the press.  I back the rule of law too, like you and many others (excluding of course Caroline Lucas MP who can choose which laws she obeys  its a socialist thing, I believe.  The Guardian like everyone else, should be free to obey the law and if they break it, they should pay the penalty, just like everyone else.  So yes, freedom, oh freedom, thats (not) just some people talking.....

 

I was actually outraged when I heard about the use of the Terrorism act to detain Miranda......until it became known that it was a Guardian sting, then suddenly i realised that it was OK after all.

 

The Guardian is free to pursue whatever agenda it likes but when it comes to breaking the law, revealing stolen security information etc then it has to live with the consequences.  Anyway, the Guardian is a rubbish newspaper....the ink comes off it.

 

Caroline Lucas appears to have been arrested for sitting down and singing.

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Caroline Lucas appears to have been arrested for sitting down and singing.

Its so unfair... Justin Bieber has been getting away with that for years!

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Of course, like you and many others,  I back the freedom of the press.  I back the rule of law too, like you and many others (excluding of course Caroline Lucas MP who can choose which laws she obeys  its a socialist thing, I believe.

 

You will no doubt be aware that the old aphorism "if the laws aren't broken the laws will never change" is particularly true. Another one "when law becomes oppression, resistance become duty"

 

I actually look forward to the day when constraint by law becomes as much an anachronism as men riding around dressed in plate armour.

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Looks like multiple issues...

 

He was carrying stolen goods but was wrongly detained under terrorism laws...

 

Both sides have questions and I doubt the first stories from either!

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The Guardian used to be the worst in this regard, but changed their ink formulation several years ago.

The main problem is adverts with black backgrounds, which will coat your fingertips with any newspaper.

Its nothing to do with this, although ink manufacturers always claim new formulas. Newspapers are printed'coldset' ie the ink dries cold. As opposed to 'heatset' where the ink is dried by heating it (very quickly). This is why your magazines etc rarely smudge.

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Brilliant, yet arguably inappropriate headline from tomorrow's I: David Miranda is lucky. Last time we harassed a Brazilian he was shot in the head.

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Looks like multiple issues...

 

He was carrying stolen goods but was wrongly detained under terrorism laws...

 

Both sides have questions and I doubt the first stories from either!

Indeed. It's a little game that both sides want to play, the met will use it's powers *just* the right side of the legal line while the media will complain about press freedom while freely reporting what's going on. All a load of ######.

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Its nothing to do with this, although ink manufacturers always claim new formulas. Newspapers are printed'coldset' ie the ink dries cold. As opposed to 'heatset' where the ink is dried by heating it (very quickly). This is why your magazines etc rarely smudge.

Nevertheless, the Guardian always used to make your fingers dirtier than the other papers, so something has changed.

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Doesn't ink my fingers at all... its on my iPad!

You can probably get an 'inky fingers' app...

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I'm confused! Are you backing a free press or not? Or only a free right wing press?

No such thing as a free right wing press, they are told what to write by the extremists in Government at the moment

 

Is this really about the harrassment the Met Police give to a members of a friendly nation, or about how clean your sweaty soft keyboard pressing hands stay when reading a newspaper?

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You will no doubt be aware that the old aphorism "if the laws aren't broken the laws will never change" is particularly true. Another one "when law becomes oppression, resistance become duty"

 

I actually look forward to the day when constraint by law becomes as much an anachronism as men riding around dressed in plate armour.

I don't.

 

If I object to how my taxes are spent then can I refuse to pay income tax as a protest without fear of punishment?

 

Or should only lefties be allowed to break the law "in a good cause".

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