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It is a worry that established teams are struggling.   I don't think Blackbrook were one of them though

 

Lost their U14s this year and their 18s are struggling could not raise a team Tuesday night away to Leigh East ,Brook have always been strong at every age group .

Granted they have good numbers down at our level but when they start to lose sides further up the food chain then like I posted before the alarm bells are ringing .

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Lost their U14s this year and their 18s are struggling could not raise a team Tuesday night away to Leigh East ,Brook have always been strong at every age group .

Granted they have good numbers down at our level but when they start to lose sides further up the food chain then like I posted before the alarm bells are ringing .

I was speaking from an OA point of view, both of their teams having strong seasons.  

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Sorry Spidey I was trying to highlight the food chain supply .

 

Interesting to note that Brook A have had four out of the last ten games given them as 24-0 s must be frustrating for the players.

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I was speaking from an OA point of view, both of their teams having strong seasons.  

 

 

In two, three, four years from now this situation with the under 14's and under 18's will impact directly on open age rugby

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Sorry Spidey I was trying to highlight the food chain supply .

 

Interesting to note that Brook A have had four out of the last ten games given them as 24-0 s must be frustrating for the players.

 

Same for Crosfields A over the season... Division Three is quite a messed up league.   I think by the end we'll have only played in 16 actual fixtures, including three friendlies

 

It is frustrating to say the least for the players, it has been hard to get continuity... it was far more competitive the previous season in a lower league

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I agree that summer rugby will only truly bed in once the juniors (many of whom have only played in 'summer' start coming through.

There are clearly some problems but the biggest one IMO is the fact that some people (particularly east of the Pennines) seem to be willing the whole enterprise to fail.

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I agree that summer rugby will only truly bed in once the juniors (many of whom have only played in 'summer' start coming through.

There are clearly some problems but the biggest one IMO is the fact that some people (particularly east of the Pennines) seem to be willing the whole enterprise to fail.

 

That's a wrong assumption in my opinion Pottsy, I think that you're locked into the Yorkshire Mafia conspiracy theory on that one pal.

 

From where I'm sat it looks as though in Yorkshire there wasn't the desire for a summer game, while over here in the NWC it looks as though everybody was pushed and jumped to the summer. Hence the problems particularly in the lower end of open age and sadly rife throughout the younger leagues. 

 

And your "summer start" players may find very little ahead of them as, clubs/teams/players peel away from the game at an alarming rate - that is unless they inhabit, "Gar-Gar land" and play for one of the many thriving, teams that he supports.

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Same for Crosfields A over the season... Division Three is quite a messed up league.   I think by the end we'll have only played in 16 actual fixtures, including three friendlies

 

It is frustrating to say the least for the players, it has been hard to get continuity... it was far more competitive the previous season in a lower league

Have players from the more competitive lower leagues been recruited or drafted to fill places in first teams and if so are we seeing the result of this lower down the food chain with cancellations . (Like squeezing the toothpaste)

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So, ignoring the existence of the Yorkshire Men's Rugby League and the various junior leagues underneath it, "nobody in Yorkshire wants summer rugby."

So far, so good.

Ok, and all of the teams in the NW were 'forced' to switch (have they got bigger sticks on the sunny side of the Pennines?) other than the nine or ten plucky clubs who've remained 'loyal' to winter.

Right, still with you.

Far be it from me to question the consistency of your logic here, but aren't you being a tiny bit melodramatic here?

It strikes me that one or two of the winter diehards are a little bit miffed that not everyone shares their firmly entrenched views.

Surely it's down to the clubs and the players to decide which option suits them best and for everyone else to butt out?

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Have players from the more competitive lower leagues been recruited or drafted to fill places in first teams and if so are we seeing the result of this lower down the food chain with cancellations . (Like squeezing the toothpaste)

 

div 3 was/is a nightmare, spread out the teams who are completing fixtures to div 2 & div 4 and overall there would have been less cancellations

 

Yes some have struggled but not all

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It strikes me that one or two of the winter diehards are a little bit miffed that not everyone shares their firmly entrenched views.

Surely it's down to the clubs and the players to decide which option suits them best and for everyone else to butt out?

 

Dear me Mr Potts a coflicting opiion to your own and you're told to butt out - ouch,

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Dear me Mr Potts a coflicting opiion to your own and you're told to butt out - ouch,

Poor comprehension. You're entitled to your own opinion and your own choices but you really should 'butt out' and allow other individuals and clubs to make theirs without the constant childish sniping.

Ps, don't assume you know where I stand on this issue.

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Poor comprehension. You're entitled to your own opinion and your own choices but you really should 'butt out' and allow other individuals and clubs to make theirs without the constant childish sniping.

Ps, don't assume you know where I stand on this issue.

 

Individuals are making their own choices and not been swayed by any opinions. But come on Mr Potts you shouldn't act like an overlord and order individuals where to get off in a debate You've had a bad day mate

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Question if we all butt out how do we take the game forward ?

Clubs left the Nwc on the understanding that the standards would improve , less cancelled games etc, etc etc .

It seems on reflection the opposite as occurred so if we don't debate these issues / facts how else can we put corrective action at various forums ?

We don't move forward by burying our heads in the sand , we face some tough challenges to keep our game from collapsing I see worrying trends developing and come across many disillusioned volunteers who are all thinking of leaving the game , but lets ignore it shall we ?

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I agree that summer rugby will only truly bed in once the juniors (many of whom have only played in 'summer' start coming through.

There are clearly some problems but the biggest one IMO is the fact that some people (particularly east of the Pennines) seem to be willing the whole enterprise to fail.

Of the hundreds if not thousands of posts on the issue this one hits the nail right on the head.

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Question if we all butt out how do we take the game forward ?

Clubs left the Nwc on the understanding that the standards would improve , less cancelled games etc, etc etc .

It seems on reflection the opposite as occurred so if we don't debate these issues / facts how else can we put corrective action at various forums ?

We don't move forward by burying our heads in the sand , we face some tough challenges to keep our game from collapsing I see worrying trends developing and come across many disillusioned volunteers who are all thinking of leaving the game , but lets ignore it shall we ?

Could it be the volunteers are leaving the game because of the negativity and doom and gloom that seems to affect some clubs and leagues more that others? Is it not down to the leadership to set an example and focus on the positives not the negatives?

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Question if we all butt out how do we take the game forward ?

Clubs left the Nwc on the understanding that the standards would improve , less cancelled games etc, etc etc .

It seems on reflection the opposite as occurred so if we don't debate these issues / facts how else can we put corrective action at various forums ?

We don't move forward by burying our heads in the sand , we face some tough challenges to keep our game from collapsing I see worrying trends developing and come across many disillusioned volunteers who are all thinking of leaving the game , but lets ignore it shall we ?

But you're not 'debating'; you're not offering solutions either. You're just sniping, and you're not on your own.

Total respect to the clubs that CHOSE to switch to summer. Total understanding of why some clubs preferred to stay in winter. Each to their own (is that too hard?).

If summer doesn't work for some clubs, they can CHOOSE to switch back. If others who didn't take the plunge initially now want to make the move, the door is still open. Each to their own. Make your own CHOICES and let others live by theirs.

Sadly, one or two people (including some who are old enough to know better) don't seem grown up enough to manage to abide by this simple principle. I'm sick of seeing people carping every time a fixture in one competition or other is defaulted or some scurrilous rumour goes around that club x is struggling for players.

Summer? Winter? Who gives a monkeys? It's all the same game.

Unfortunately, rugby league has been held back for 118 years by petty, small minded people with petty small minded agendas. It seems nothing much has changed.

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Unfortunately, rugby league has been held back for 118 years by petty, small minded people with petty small minded agendas. It seems nothing much has changed.

 

+10 for the entire post but I thought that was a very good statement.

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Pottsy you are another ill informed individual I have offered a solution to the powers that be and a lot if it is being considered .

Being positive we moved all our game to the summer because the people we represent voted for it , we didn't throw our toys out of the pram we fully embraced the summer concept we have not put any obstacles in the way we have done exactly what was asked and the results so far are drop in participation more cancelled fixtures than ever before and good people walking away from the game because of it .

Now if drawing to people's attention the facts is deemed as being a negative sniper then I wear that hat .

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Pottsy you are another ill informed individual I have offered a solution to the powers that be and a lot if it is being considered .

Being positive we moved all our game to the summer because the people we represent voted for it , we didn't throw our toys out of the pram we fully embraced the summer concept we have not put any obstacles in the way we have done exactly what was asked and the results so far are drop in participation more cancelled fixtures than ever before and good people walking away from the game because of it .

Now if drawing to people's attention the facts is deemed as being a negative sniper then I wear that hat .

There is a big difference between not throwing toys out of a pram and having the drive to see something succeed. Can you honestly say you have fully embraced the summer concept or is it more like sitting back highlighting any perceived shortcomings with glee? If the people you represent voted for something you weren't prepared to give your support and dedication should you not have stepped aside? Maybe good people are walking away because they haven't got the right leadership to take things forward and are fed up with the negativity? I may be totally wrong but it's just a thought.

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Yes you are totally wrong as again you seem to fail to comprehend what the Nw Juniors have been proactive in promoting playing the game in the better playing conditions we were the only league as I have said before to operate with a winter break ..

 

As for being committed to the cause as I also administer the fixtures for all six age groups ask all the clubs /coaches about all the phoning and emailing I do each week to ensure we get as many kids playing as possible , I could as you imply just simply say so your game as cancelled and not bother to get games on to back up your ill conceived theory ,but the people what matter most know different .

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Yes but the fact remains you seem very upset that the rfl didn't adopt your exact model and it seems nothing else will suffice. that's certainly the way things come across anyway.

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Yes but the fact remains you seem very upset that the rfl didn't adopt your exact model and it seems nothing else will suffice. that's certainly the way things come across anyway.

His exact model was never on the board until summer started to fail, he went into summer rugby on the back of everything good that's has been said about it, he is now talking from his finding and pitfalls of the how summer season stands now , if you've not noticed he is for what is the best for the amateur game and the young players.

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There is a big difference between not throwing toys out of a pram and having the drive to see something succeed. Can you honestly say you have fully embraced the summer concept or is it more like sitting back highlighting any perceived shortcomings with glee? If the people you represent voted for something you weren't prepared to give your support and dedication should you not have stepped aside? Maybe good people are walking away because they haven't got the right leadership to take things forward and are fed up with the negativity? I may be totally wrong but it's just a thought.

 

And you don't know just how wrong you are Gar and that thought must be very lonely.

 

By your own admission your support consists of reading websites for info and listening to what committees say, haven't you ever been prepared to roll your sleeves up and fix the game. Are you aware of the work done and the thousands of players introduced to the game thanks to the efforts of Taxi and his very small group of helpers.

 

The NWC juniors are very well placed to gauge the participation and it must be soul destroying to see their efforts being reversed by the RFL's Lemming - like lunge into summer rugby in the overall sport plan to support the failing professional game.

 

As I said before, there'll be very little left for the "summer start" players if the figures continue to fall as they have for the last two years so let's all take Mr Potts' advice, butt out and watch the game waste away.

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