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Good point made by a Syrian lady on a Jeremy Bowen report this evening, to paraphrase -

 

'Give me a Martin Luther King, someone with a dream for Syria, and I'd be the first person supporting them.'

 

Lots of Syrian fear the demise of secular Syria as much as they fear Assad.

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Talking of which, we Brits eat a lot of cheese...

And we surrendered in 1783

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US set for Syria strikes, etc, etc

 

"Kerry referred to France as the "oldest ally" of the US, after President François Hollande pledged support for military action against Syria."

 

Ouch!

 

How old is Kerry, 12? Utterly childish response from him. Dummy spitting petulance at its worst.

 

It has been pointed out elsewhere that the US did not exactly rush to our side at the outbreak of WW2 and only entered that war when their own interests were directly threatened, so the UK should take absolutely no lectures from them about the value of alliances.

 

Kerry's response reveals the true worth of the so called 'special' relationship. It is only special so long as the UK provide slavish support to the US administration. The moment you stop, they will find fast friends elsewhere and begin the insults.

 

It's also quite revealing that a country which claims to want to uphold democratic traditions around the world, cannot accept when another country disagrees with it as the result of a legitimate parliamentary democratic process.

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Who needs the Yanks as allies. All they've ever done is try to drag us into wars that they started.

 

World War 2? they sat back and took our money for ships, armaments and food until 1942. This allowed Hitler to commit  a lot worse  genocide than Assad. If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour, they'd be still sat there.

 

Falklands War? Reagan said that the USA had to be "even handed" in its dealings with the UK and Argentina.

Gulf War 1. We were promised big reconstruction conrracts in Kuwait. I think we got fewer than Germany did.

 

Even now, they sell us their outdated nuclear weapon systems rather than sharing the technology.

 

For all his faults, Harold Wilson showed a lot of common sense by refusing for our troops to go to Vietmnam. If only Blair had shown the same over Gulf War 2 and Afghanistan.

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Headline from Eastern Daily Press Norwich Tuesday June 10th 1941: British 40miles into Syria.

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Who needs the Yanks as allies. All they've ever done is try to drag us into wars that they started.

 

World War 2? they sat back and took our money for ships, armaments and food until 1942. This allowed Hitler to commit  a lot worse  genocide than Assad. If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour, they'd be still sat there.

Tbf to the Yanks, they had proposed a far reaching peace plan that they hoped would settle European nationalistic squabbles for once and for all. Britain and France said "Sod that, we're going to ##### slap the Krauts". Twenty years later, the British and French then go running to the Americans because the Germans were starting another war. Unsurprisingly they didn't feel particularly co-operative.

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Who needs the Yanks as allies.

Quite, who wants the most powerful nation on earth to be their ally. We should team up with Chad or somewhere.

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Just as a matter of interest, I'm sure in 2011 Ed gave his full support on our intervention in Libya.

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Obama was very gracious towards Britain, far more so than John Kerry.

 

The debate in Congress will be interesting...  I wonder how much arms lobbyist money will be waggled at Congresscritters?

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Unless Obama recalls congress, there will be no vote till the 9th. 

 

Urgency out of the window.  Cameron was rushing (no UN report) because presumably he was being pushed by the USA for swift action.  Now the US has slowed and left Cameron out to dry.

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He never let get this as far as the UN. Still. I'm sure the Syrians being gassed will understand.

What a wilful misrepresentation of what happened in Parliament last week, but hardly surprising.

The government did not ask the Commons to support a UN resolution. They wanted authorisation for military strikes without UN authorisation if necessary. Thus, a completely different to the situation in Libya.

Slag of Miliband all you like if it makes you feel better but it is pointless. It isn't his fault the government lost the vote. The Coalition has a majority of 70 plus over all other parties, not just Labour, but they couldn't even muster enough support on their own benches for what they were proposing, let alone the Opposition.

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I was leaning to the side of keeping well out of Syria, then I saw the BBC footage of the napalm/thermite bombing of a school. My thinking is how that we should drop a similar device on Assad and see how he likes it.

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What a wilful misrepresentation of what happened in Parliament last week, but hardly surprising.

The government did not ask the Commons to support a UN resolution. They wanted authorisation for military strikes without UN authorisation if necessary. Thus, a completely different to the situation in Libya.

Slag of Miliband all you like if it makes you feel better but it is pointless. It isn't his fault the government lost the vote. The Coalition has a majority of 70 plus over all other parties, not just Labour, but they couldn't even muster enough support on their own benches for what they were proposing, let alone the Opposition.

 

Indeed, as I pointed out days ago.

 

Unless Labour have managed to fit in a few bye-elections overnight then they've still no majority, which means the real kick in the ###### came from within the Tory ranks or the Lib Dems.

 

Do bombs dropped with a UN resolution cause less damage? He played politics over this, and in the short term it worked.

 

What does seem odd is their was no government vote on military action until after the first bombs were dropped, I'm surprised Ed allowed this to happen. Why was this?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12821505

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/03/labour-iraq-miliband-support

 

Why's it "hardly surprising"?

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I was leaning to the side of keeping well out of Syria, then I saw the BBC footage of the napalm/thermite bombing of a school. My thinking is how that we should drop a similar device on Assad and see how he likes it.

I saw that footage but it didn't show you who actually did it. Probably did it, is not good enough.

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Christ, these chemicals were probably transported by road, using lorries filled with diesel, maybe this diesel came from the North Sea.

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Anyone know why the 30 or so (quite right wing) Con. MPs voted against. Perhaps they saw it asap chance to oust Cameron?

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