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Kiddzyy69

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Well im abroad on holiday and no bars can get bbc channels,so does anyone know where i could find it on the internet?

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you dident miss anything,load a tosh to be honest and glad i stayed at home.more entertainment in 5 minutes of our last 2 games than that 80. hull should a took the 2 on offer to save the dry rub. rabbits in the headlights day yet again for hull.

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Championship games put that to shame; That's why they won't allow the Northern Rail Final as a curtain raiser; One dimensional;

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Yeah not a great advert for rugby league. Dont think iv ever seen the ball dropped as much.

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Don't understand why the roof was'nt shut? I thought that was the whole point of having a roof?

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Think I can extend that to worst for 55 years!

Left after 75 minutes ( and I never leave early-usually)

At least beat the rush to Wembley Park tube.

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Agree with above comments . Worse final I've ever seen . Bit sad when you consider they spent so much time in the build up comparing it to the 85 classic ... Sublime to the ridiculous !! Hull were beyond awful and Wigan didn't have to be much better to prevail .

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To be fair Hulls defence kept them in it until the last 5 but I have never seen so many handling errors from a team. Hull were shocking with ball in hand and/or catching any sort of kick from Wigan. Worst cup final I've ever watched.

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With the amount of dropped ball by Hull, Keegan Hirst's ball juggling skills have to be admired lol!

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To be fair Hulls defence kept them in it until the last 5 but I have never seen so many handling errors from a team. Hull were shocking with ball in hand and/or catching any sort of kick from Wigan. Worst cup final I've ever watched.

shocking with ball in hand for sure, but why dident they try keep the ball in the last 15 or so,even if they dident drop it they chose to kick it back to wigan when it was hull who needed to score, it was as thou they just wanted to get it over with when they could have tried to play a full set towards the sticks but thought cobblers here you are have the ball back cos we aint a clue what to do.

  strange game. wouldent want to be the next team to play hull like :sclerosis:

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What the game did highlight is that dearth of real RUGBY ability at the highest level of the game. There are so few players with genuine class and an ability to create something from nothing. So many of today's players are just great athletes who offer little more than up and down yardage and hard graft. There wasn't a forward on the pitch who was remotely capable of fantastic ball-handling like Lee Crooks who was sat up in the stands - or for that matter a halfback capable of breathtaking running like Brett Kenny. What a shame. The game has become so unattractive as a spectacle over the last 20 years, and the trend looks set to continue. We've sacrificed skill and class for fitness, size and conditioning, and in terms of entertainment value the game is seriously struggling as a result.

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What the game did highlight is that dearth of real RUGBY ability at the highest level of the game. There are so few players with genuine class and an ability to create something from nothing. So many of today's players are just great athletes who offer little more than up and down yardage and hard graft. There wasn't a forward on the pitch who was remotely capable of fantastic ball-handling like Lee Crooks who was sat up in the stands - or for that matter a halfback capable of breathtaking running like Brett Kenny. What a shame. The game has become so unattractive as a spectacle over the last 20 years, and the trend looks set to continue. We've sacrificed skill and class for fitness, size and conditioning, and in terms of entertainment value the game is seriously struggling as a result.

 

Good post terminator - my opinions exactly. That's why I wouldn't go to watch SL with free tickets, a meal and an exotic massage thrown in.

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I will take the exotic massage and watch the highlights . If there are any highlights would have been hard to come up with on Saturday . Very poor final.

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Good post terminator - my opinions exactly. That's why I wouldn't go to watch SL with free tickets, a meal and an exotic massage thrown in.

If I were to post those sentiments on the 'General' forum, I'd probably get shouted down as a 'Flat Capper'. IMO anyone who denies that our game has lost a great deal of entertainment value by encouraging a robotic structure and type of player is living in cloud cuckoo land. There are quite a few legendary players from the past who wouldn't even get a look in these days at top flight level due to not meeting the physical criteria deemed necessary to 'making the grade'. This isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to yesterdays dire final, but a concern that has been building for years.

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We have a robotic game built on statistics . I cringe when I hear endless talk about a player having a good game because he's had 20 carries and made 65 yards blah blah blah . It's all about completion rates , and executing the plans ( hate that phrase ) and having a good structure ( eh ? ) . What happened to entertainment , skills and playing what you see ? . Watch rugby from the 80s on YouTube ... It's a different game . So much more movement , off loads and ball skills . Forwards had real ball playing ability . Now they get measured on grunt . State of Origin sums it up perfectly . Very hard but very very formulaic . Five drives and a kick , take no risks , then in the opposition area just go through a conservative set before trying to score off a kick sums up most matches now . In the NRL matches just merge into each other ... We're building robots computed to do a certain job . No mistakes and formulas are great , but not if they are squeezing the game of entertainment and ultimately fans ?

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Agree totally about the lack of flair sacrificed for regimentation. Don't know about you, but I struggle with understanding current terminology. I haven't a clue what Robbie Paul talks about, thought Offence and DEEfence were attack and defending, drop offs, etc etc...??? Not only have we surrendered the rules to the Aussies we now have to talk like them too. (Before any smart Alec comes on, I know he's a New Zealander!) No contested scrums, no shoulder charges, rarely a forward pass given, video refs who still get it wrong, no this, no that... the whole game has disappeared, and specialist positions are now obsolete. all SL needs is 17 big fit 2nd row types, throw the names at the wall and up comes a team. Hookers. loose forwards, all gone. Can't think of another contact sport which is non-contact! that said, having watched a bit if NRL, they're no better, it's all about formations, big hits, but no ball skills to speak of either, even they have lost the Langers and Fittlers, just as we have no more Gregorys and ...well I'm struggling!! 

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For the uninitiated here are the interpretations of some common SL sky terminologies with it's championship equivalent, please feel free to add :

 

"He just needs to get it off the Island Stevo "                                                          Gerrit in touch

"He's a big unit alright"                                                                                            He's a fat prop

"They should have gone downstairs"                                                                      Legs Dewsbury - legs

"Ooohargh it's getting a bit tasty"                                                                            Handbags

"Whoaho how about that for a big hit - now it's getting really tasty"                        Somebody's made a half decent tackle

"They should have gone upstairs "                                                                          Referee hasn't a clue - where's the video ref

"And that is why superleague is simply the best sport in the world eddie"              Somebody has actually made a break and scored

"This will be awarded by Bentham -  the big TeeRI no doubt about that"                Leeds have been awarded a try despite the winger being in touch

"That came off the props head, hit the opposition hooker and bounced                  Cummings hasn't a clue either

forwards into the arms of the scrum half - that's either offside or play on"

 

I'm thinking of doing a rugby thesaurus. :shout:

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Sorry to jump in on your forum but I have to agree that there is a distinct lack of flair players in RL now.

 

I was at Wembley on Saturday and for the first time in 28yrs I questioned if I had got value for money and in my opinion I didn't feel I did.

 

Getting to Wembley from central London was a nightmare due to tube disruption then I find the seats I had was on the very back row behind the Hull end, which I would have coped with if the Stadium was full ( I know there is the club Wembley seating areas) why oh why didn't the RL ticketing staff work everybody down to at least give the impression of a near sell out. Then there was the usual grumble about programme ( £8.00) prices and refreshments.

 

All in all the whole weekend has cost me best part of £ 600.00 will I do it again...you bet because irrespective of players from days gone by or now, we still have the greatest game to watch.

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Agree about talking like Aussies ... You hear it on SL full time every week . Our coaches think if they talk like Phil Gould then folk will think they coach like him ! How often do you hear in broad Yorkie tones ... ' we had a real good dig today ' , ' there's some sore bodies in the sheds ' , ' it was a hell of an arm wrestle ' , ' we stuck to the game plan ' etc etc ..... And my all time biggest cringer , ' what great D ' . Yes that's you Brian Noble !!! Anyone who says D instead of defence should be sacked !!! So annoying .

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It's worthwhile dropping in on club threads from time to time because they bring up crackers like this one.

 

I couldn't agree more about the "quality" of top flight RL. Saturday was a massive embarrassment. 

 

I also agree about the format and analysis becoming the only talking point but this isn't just a disease in RL, it's a consequence of TV dominating the game.

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Agree totally about the lack of flair sacrificed for regimentation. Don't know about you, but I struggle with understanding current terminology. I haven't a clue what Robbie Paul talks about, thought Offence and DEEfence were attack and defending, drop offs, etc etc...??? Not only have we surrendered the rules to the Aussies we now have to talk like them too. (Before any smart Alec comes on, I know he's a New Zealander!) No contested scrums, no shoulder charges, rarely a forward pass given, video refs who still get it wrong, no this, no that... the whole game has disappeared, and specialist positions are now obsolete. all SL needs is 17 big fit 2nd row types, throw the names at the wall and up comes a team. Hookers. loose forwards, all gone. Can't think of another contact sport which is non-contact! that said, having watched a bit if NRL, they're no better, it's all about formations, big hits, but no ball skills to speak of either, even they have lost the Langers and Fittlers, just as we have no more Gregorys and ...well I'm struggling!!

In terms of isolating some forgotten skills, I'm struggling to remember the last time I saw a prop forward push through a tackle and slip the ball away to a supporting player - a la Crooks, Kevin Ward or even our very own Neil Kellett. I'm sure Neil himself would be the first to admit that he was hardly a great athlete, but some of the moments of sheer handling brilliance he regularly executed were worth the admission money alone. During the State of Origin series earlier this year, when Premier Sports were showing some great matches from the past, I was alarmed by how mundane and formulaic the modern RL has become in comparison to what I witnessed. Sure, games were a little chaotic and disorganised - and the odd beer belly was floating about (as opposed to the musclebound gym machines of today), but the skills on show were by far and away superior to what we see nowadays. No kicks to the corner on the last tackle, either. How boring has that play become?

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