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Mike Calvin- Unadulterated Rubbish

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I wonder if JohnM would be quite so forgiving of Mr Calvin if his 'article' had appeared in the Guardian.

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The article reads like he'd pretty much decided to slag the event off before he'd even set off for Wembley. Sadly, this is not uncommon.

The lazy stereotyping, the ignorance, the bad spelling... all par for the course. If the struggling Independent really want to lose even more readers, Calvin's doing a fine job for them.

I'm not calling for the kind of blinkered positivity that certain other sports enjoy - okay one other sport enjoys - as in the same paper, Dave Hadfield's article addresses the negatives as well as the positives, but in a far more informed, balanced and honest manner.

So if Dave was also at Wembley, why did the Independent also send a troll who wouldn't even make the effort to watch the match?

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not a venomous response?

 

smirking exaggerated, undignified piece of garbage

a world full of corporate greed and financial meltdowns

a vile article

 I ended up wanting to smack Calvin in the mush, I now just think he's an idiot 

a foul piece of journalism which if aimed at black Africans or muslims of gay lesbians , would result in legal proceedings against him.

an imposter frightened in every respect

FFS!
Up yourself much or what. 

Charlatans should be exposed, not cuddled.

 

Well, that's one way to win much needed media friends and influence!  

 

Mail, Independent, Guardian, Times , Autotrader, whatever....if we continue to abuse and ridicule such people as Calvin, rather then listening and trying to understand why they have such perceptions, we will never make any progress.

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Venomous? Hardly.

He doesn't have to like RL, he's perfectly entitled to think it is terrible. That's up to him.

Its the terrible lack of knowledge about exactly where RL is today and the insults that I object to. Unless of course that is being chippy.

I think JohnM makes my point well. The fact the thread is called unadulterated rubbish says a lot.

I never pointed fingers at anyone, bit if the cap fits where it.

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not a venomous response?

 

smirking exaggerated, undignified piece of garbage

a world full of corporate greed and financial meltdowns

a vile article

 I ended up wanting to smack Calvin in the mush, I now just think he's an idiot 

a foul piece of journalism which if aimed at black Africans or muslims of gay lesbians , would result in legal proceedings against him.

an imposter frightened in every respect

FFS!

Up yourself much or what. 

Charlatans should be exposed, not cuddled.

 

Well, that's one way to win much needed media friends and influence!  

 

Mail, Independent, Guardian, Times , Autotrader, whatever....if we continue to abuse and ridicule such people as Calvin, rather then listening and trying to understand why they have such perceptions, we will never make any progress.

 

Really? Better include Richard Bacon too.

 

He fits the profile:

 

non-Southern roots

Grammar school alumnus

media influence

 

Both didn't get where they are today by promoting their cultural differences with the (media) establishment, I bet.

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not a venomous response?

 

smirking exaggerated, undignified piece of garbage

a world full of corporate greed and financial meltdowns

a vile article

 I ended up wanting to smack Calvin in the mush, I now just think he's an idiot 

a foul piece of journalism which if aimed at black Africans or muslims of gay lesbians , would result in legal proceedings against him.

an imposter frightened in every respect

FFS!

Up yourself much or what. 

Charlatans should be exposed, not cuddled.

 

Well, that's one way to win much needed media friends and influence!  

 

Mail, Independent, Guardian, Times , Autotrader, whatever....if we continue to abuse and ridicule such people as Calvin, rather then listening and trying to understand why they have such perceptions, we will never make any progress.

 

 

Oh yeah, he's really going to log into this forum to see what the semi-literate northern apes think of his piece isn't he?

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I'm surprised that there can be an article like this and some people get wound up blaming the RFL and the fans who are angry about the article.

 

I don't buy the fact that we should pretty much steer a journo round North Korea-like. He was present in the journo areas with access to the whole event - he actually chose to exclude himself from the experience and action - that isn't the actions of an open-minded journalist who is going to cover an event, it is somebody with an agenda.

 

This is the kind of stuff that we have had to put up with throughout our history, as though the sport is some kind of freak show - why?

 

On the actual wooing of journos, it would be interesting to know what the experience is like for Journos - not sure if Martyn or John can provide some more context around the experience.

 

The auto response is to criticise the RFL, but are you pretty much left to your own devices, or are there resources to help you with the event?

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Guardian, Times , Autotrader, whatever....if we continue to abuse and ridicule such people as Calvin, rather then [/size]listening and trying to understand why they have such perceptions, we will never make any progress.

As stated by someone earlier, if Calvin's comments were aimed at non white or gay people he wouldn't have got it sat his editor. So his views are "perceptions" and not pre conceived bigotry as they would be in another context? He can think of what he likes of RL but maybe he's just a chippy middle class southerner on a "hoo ha" Johnny who doesn't like working class northerners for whatever reason. If he doesn't like the game then that's his prerogative but I'll be blowed if I'll be made to be feel in the wrong by someone with negative "perceptions" of my roots and status.

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I'm surprised that there can be an article like this and some people get wound up blaming the RFL and the fans who are angry about the article.

 

I don't buy the fact that we should pretty much steer a journo round North Korea-like. He was present in the journo areas with access to the whole event - he actually chose to exclude himself from the experience and action - that isn't the actions of an open-minded journalist who is going to cover an event, it is somebody with an agenda.

 

This is the kind of stuff that we have had to put up with throughout our history, as though the sport is some kind of freak show - why?

 

On the actual wooing of journos, it would be interesting to know what the experience is like for Journos - not sure if Martyn or John can provide some more context around the experience.

 

The auto response is to criticise the RFL, but are you pretty much left to your own devices, or are there resources to help you with the event?

 

Absolutely. That the son of a Whitehaven supporter should isolate himself like that is pitiful, at best.

 

Criticism of our game is a good thing and should be engaged with positively. Why would anyone here want to conflate that process with Calvin's (self) hateful, sneering caracature?

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I've read the first two paragraphs and stopped. I don't need to read anymore.

 

However, it is widely accepted within our game that the final wasn't the best. We have to accept that 'outsiders' will agree with us as well so can we really complain when they point this out?

 

The article is shocking though.

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https://twitter.com/CalvinBook/status/372122392388042752

 

Interesting discussion between him and Matt Hughes from the times.

You get a pretty good idea of Calvin's mindset from this. This Matt Hughes bloke is an unfamiliar name to me. Anyone bothered to get behind the Times paywall and see if he writes about RL?

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You get a pretty good idea of Calvin's mindset from this. This Matt Hughes bloke is an unfamiliar name to me. Anyone bothered to get behind the Times paywall and see if he writes about RL?

Indeed. He had somebody criticising RL fans calling them insecure for daring to criticise his article - I asked why the article included calling RL fans fat and like extras from Phoenix Nights. I now seem to have trouble accessing conversations on his timeline - I'm sure I haven't been blocked, or have I? In fact I can't even read the link that I posted above!

 

I'm not actually sure what the article was talking about - it wasn't a match review, it wasn't a commentary on the state of the game - it was somewhere inbetween and tbh was just offensive nonsense.

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I've read the first two paragraphs and stopped. I don't need to read anymore.

 

However, it is widely accepted within our game that the final wasn't the best. We have to accept that 'outsiders' will agree with us as well so can we really complain when they point this out?

 

The article is shocking though.

That's the point though, if it was just a view of a poor game then we can't argue but it's the wheeling out of the northern stereotype and the opinion that all RL supporters are the epitome of that stereotype that sticks in the craw. By the sound of it even that opinion was formed in the hospitality area.

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I've read the first two paragraphs and stopped. I don't need to read anymore.

 

However, it is widely accepted within our game that the final wasn't the best. We have to accept that 'outsiders' will agree with us as well so can we really complain when they point this out?

 

The article is shocking though.

I don't think anybody would complain about a journalist saying the game was poor. 

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He seems to be denying the ban on RL players ever happened. He's clueless.

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He seems to be denying the ban on RL players ever happened. He's clueless.

It seems that you don't need to know anything about a sport to write an article about it.

 

In fact, remembering Jason Cowley at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, you don't even need to watch a sporting event to write about it. He missed a match, due to having been arrested and, after spending the night in the drunk tank, proceeded to write a match report anyway.

 

British sporting journalism at its finest, eh?

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There is so much nonsense in the article:

 

"greatest game in the world" - erm, no, it is The Greatest Game (TGG) that is often used by it's fans.

 

the greatest price will be paid by the sport itself - why? because of a bad game?

 

ghetto of satellite television - what does that mean? We have a minimum of around 10 terrestrial games plus highlights shows each year.

 

Tompkins - spelling, some will blame the RFL - I assume the spelling was correct on teamsheets or programmes that the RFL provide?

 

reunion of extras from Phoenix Nights - what does that mean? Northern comedy characters?

 

men in XXXL Rugby Shirts - great journalism, basically just calling RL fans fat.

 

it was little more than human dodgems - this is the kind of nonsense that we have had to put up with for years from 'journos'.

 

I don't think anything the RFL could do would address the above 'issues' as they are in fact in his tiny little brain.

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There is so much nonsense in the article:

"greatest game in the world" - erm, no, it is The Greatest Game (TGG) that is often used by it's fans.

You rarely if ever hear criticism of terms like "The Sport of Kings" (Horse Racing), "The Game they play in Heaven" (Rugby Union) or "The beautiful Game" (Football)

ghetto of satellite television - what does that mean? We have a minimum of around 10 terrestrial games plus highlights shows each year.

RL is the only sport that has repeatedly been demonised for taking the Murdoch shilling. The matter is never even brought up with other sports (with the exception of Cricket, maybe).

reunion of extras from Phoenix Nights - what does that mean? Northern comedy characters?

men in XXXL Rugby Shirts - great journalism, basically just calling RL fans fat.

Crude, inaccurate regional stereotyping and abuse. Imagine if he'd said that about a race, religion or choice of sexuality.

it was little more than human dodgems - this is the kind of nonsense that we have had to put up with for years from 'journos'.

He's actually proud to reveal his ignorance of what he was (allegedly) watching.

I don't think anything the RFL could do would address the above 'issues' as they are in fact in his tiny little brain.

Spot on.

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It seems that you don't need to know anything about a sport to write an article about it.

 

In fact, remembering Jason Cowley at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, you don't even need to watch a sporting event to write about it. He missed a match, due to having been arrested and, after spending the night in the drunk tank, proceeded to write a match report anyway.

 

British sporting journalism at its finest, eh?

I've been told there are some RL journos who write match reviews without being at the match too, national whingy RL journos.

 

As for this Calvin c*nt, is Stephen Jones about to retire and he wants his job?

 

There's certainly nothing "Independent" about his guff.

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Looking at some of his Tweets, it seems he only bothered going to Wembley because the Cricket was rained off.

 

He needn't have bothered.

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There is so much nonsense in the article:

 

"greatest game in the world" - erm, no, it is The Greatest Game (TGG) that is often used by it's fans.

 

the greatest price will be paid by the sport itself - why? because of a bad game?

 

ghetto of satellite television - what does that mean? We have a minimum of around 10 terrestrial games plus highlights shows each year.

 

Tompkins - spelling, some will blame the RFL - I assume the spelling was correct on teamsheets or programmes that the RFL provide?

 

reunion of extras from Phoenix Nights - what does that mean? Northern comedy characters?

 

men in XXXL Rugby Shirts - great journalism, basically just calling RL fans fat.

 

it was little more than human dodgems - this is the kind of nonsense that we have had to put up with for years from 'journos'.

 

I don't think anything the RFL could do would address the above 'issues' as they are in fact in his tiny little brain.

Thanks for that Dave, saved me the trouble.

As some have said, the game was poor in many aspects so no issue there with Calvins assessment of that but there were still some marvellous skills on show alongside a commitment and athleticism rarely seen in other sports, he chose to ignore those or isn't informed enough to recognise them.

The issue I take with Calvin is the seemingly premeditated attack on the game of Rugby League, his Jurassic view of the North and his outright and overtly insulting description of Rugby League fans old and young. What's more, he has shown himself to be arrogant and bigoted in the defence of his article, preferring to further stereotype and label those who've taken him to task.

It's a shameful piece that is so badly written, researched and prejudiced that calls into question the validity of the journalistic awards he's received, surely someone that good should be incapable of writing something that bad!

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It's a shameful piece that is so badly written, researched and prejudiced that calls into question the validity of the journalistic awards he's received, surely someone that good should be incapable of writing something that bad!

Stephen Jones has also won awards for journalism, which does rather devalue the whole notion. I strongly suspect these things are decided by a hurriedly cobbled-together bit of log-rolling.

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Oh yeah, he's really going to log into this forum to see what the semi-literate northern apes think of his piece isn't he?

 

Never suggested he would. ..and a good job too!

 

Just pointing out how direct some of the comments were..just the sort of thing to help build bridges eh?

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