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would intensity (whatever that actually means in reality) be a major issue for a fullback.

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I hope he's replaced with an experienced full back for a season or two. Hampshire or Tierney aren't ready for the position week in week out.

ryan mcgoldrick would be ideal

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would intensity (whatever that actually means in reality) be a major issue for a fullback.

 

Thats the point I stress upon Dave. The position of F/B is much less severe to play in S/L than in the NRL.

For two very important reasons (a) kicking accuracy is far better generally in the NRL, especially against their very top echelon of sides, which again are more numerous than in S/L and, (B) despite arguments to the opposite Sam Tomkins will rarely have experienced the force and the speed plus intensity, which this form of high ball placings puts the defending F/B under. 

 

I still do not have implicit faith, by any means in Tomkins when dealing with this aspect and I really fear for us in the W/Cup when he will be tested, time and again with them.

So in answer Dave; yes to your question, in such a situation intensity, I believe, could equably describe what a F/B within the NRL often does have to endure. 

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Thats the point I stress upon Dave. The position of F/B is much less severe to play in S/L than in the NRL.

For two very important reasons (a) kicking accuracy is far better generally in the NRL, especially against their very top echelon of sides, which again are more numerous than in S/L and, (B) despite arguments to the opposite Sam Tomkins will rarely have experienced the force and the speed plus intensity, which this form of high ball placings puts the defending F/B under.

I still do not have implicit faith, by any means in Tomkins when dealing with this aspect and I really fear for us in the W/Cup when he will be tested, time and again with them.

So in answer Dave; yes to your question, in such a situation intensity, I believe, could equably describe what a F/B within the NRL often does have to endure.

it will be interesting to see what happens. We do see a fair few breaks from kick returns in the NRL - will be interesting to see whether that is because the fullbacks are so good or whether there are still gaps in defensive lines.

Looking forward to seeing what happens either way.

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I hope he's replaced with an experienced full back for a season or two. Hampshire or Tierney aren't ready for the position week in week out.

After yesterday's game, I think Hampshire's future is at stand off in any case. He was outstanding at second receiver and I'd go as far to say that in that form I'd play him over Green.

From what I've seen to date, Rocky has a big future, barring bad luck or injury.

Tierney was probably the most disappointing of the young backs on show yesterday. He didn't play poor by any means, just steady whereas others like Manfredi on debut and Burgess were surprisingly good.

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If they go to the NRL we all win in my opinon. The England team wll get stronger and more youth will have to come through the SLE teams. No more over paid imports taking up vital spots in our club sides. we will survive and fingers crossed the competition might even up more.

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All these Leeds fans who are horribly offended by a two fingered solute better stay away from Leeds City Centre during the day or at night. There is much more offensive behaviour going on.

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Much as I'd like to see him succeed in the NRL, I suspect he'll be back here with his tail between his legs inside two years.

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would intensity (whatever that actually means in reality) be a major issue for a fullback.

It doesn't affect the full back as much as it does other players. The main people it affects is the forwards, and as it has been proven British forwards in the 21st century can't handle the intensity of the NRL.

Sarcasm aside, he'll do absolutely fine. He skipped through Aussies and Kiwis quite easily when he played them two seasons ago. He's improved since then, he will be a star.

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Good to know that NZ phone-ins are even more tedious than ours. That was excruciating.

 

I don't really have a strong view on Tomkins leaving. He's a great player, but I don't think he has developed much in the areas you'd need to in order to become the great halfback he should be: tactical kicking, creative passing, even solid defence. So hopefully he'll do that down under.

 

Obviously it's bad news for Super League, but we'll survive. So will Wigan.

Did John from Salford ring in? I`m sure Jack Dearden keeps him in the back office.

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To my mind Tomkins has carved up SL more than any other player I can remember. I can't think of any reason why he won't succeed in the NRL.

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It doesn't affect the full back as much as it does other players. The main people it affects is the forwards, and as it has been proven British forwards in the 21st century can't handle the intensity of the NRL.

Sarcasm aside, he'll do absolutely fine. He skipped through Aussies and Kiwis quite easily when he played them two seasons ago. He's improved since then, he will be a star.

 

Really?

As I recall the skipping that Sam performed with such ease did not happen on so many ball return runs, or did it?

 

Agreed that he did make breaks on some occasions, telling ones also, but they to my recollection consisted entirely from his joining the line and not from his returns of the ball from kicks. AND,B, I can also recall that in the final of that series Paul Gallen  made sure the same did not occur again.

Take a memory check you may discover that is correct, oh and take the rose coloured ones off before you do.  

 

PS I hope he is in fine skipping mode in the World cup, if so I will bow to your superior judgement then :P . 

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Really?

As I recall the skipping that Sam performed with such ease did not happen on so many ball return runs, or did it?

Agreed that he did make breaks on some occasions, telling ones also, but they to my recollection consisted entirely from his joining the line and not from his returns of the ball from kicks. AND,B, I can also recall that in the final of that series Paul Gallen made sure the same did not occur again.

Take a memory check you may discover that is correct, oh and take the rose coloured ones off before you do.

PS I hope he is in fine skipping mode in the World cup, if so I will bow to your superior judgement then :P .

I can't find it anywhere but Sam did a 40m ball return against Aus and a 60m one against the Kiwis. My memory is fine thanks.

For England's tries against Aus in the first game at Wembley, for the first one Darius Boyd ran out to stop Tomkins which allowed Hall to score in the corner. Second try Tomkins walked past Jonathan Thurston and did a flick pass to Reed which resulted the try. The fourth try Tomkins was the main man again fending off Tony Williams to put Heighington through a huge hole. If you don't believe me see the videos by SL highlights on youtube.

As I say I can't find evidence of the ball returns because only the tries are online. But Sam creating tries against Australia and being able to do many of the things he does in SL against them suggests he is going to be able to replicate them in SL. I'm obviously not naive to think he will skip through defences like he does in SL in the NRL, but I'm confident he will do very well in the competition.

But as we have all said, time will tell.

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