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What's going on at S.Wales Scorpions?

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They're playing to low crowds in a skint area.  The footyball club vanished a couple of seasons ago and I think the local RU team has also had to scale back.  Not a specifically league problem but obviously it would be massively damaging to RL if its only club in south Wales were to go.

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Really interesting figures in that statement. Budget of £70k per season. £10k on coach travel, £35k on doctors, coaches, kit & accommodation. Leaving £25k for players. 25 player squad for 9 months = £110 each per month!

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I'm not sure which 30k, they were talking about that wasn't released last year.

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Each CC1 club had their central funding reduced by £30,000 this year (in other words they received £100,000 in 2012; £70,000 in 2013) so that the three new clubs could receive central funding.

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Very sad that a club needs so little.

 

Get half the attendance at the GF to throw a £1 in a bucket..   Job done.

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All Championship clubs are operating on reduced central funding next year and have known that for a long time. Any club that can't cope with that will have to "reconsider their future".

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It would be a crying shame if our friends down in South Wales went to the wall after all they have tried to do down there.

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Very sad that a club needs so little.

 

Get half the attendance at the GF to throw a £1 in a bucket..   Job done.

Do that for one club (I personally would be willing to contribute) and you have to do it for all. How about a £2 levy on all GF tickets to be shared around the CC1 clubs?

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This is typical RL administration. Wine, dine and woo potential outpost clubs and then kick them in the nuts - particularly those who have to travel 1000s of miles every year. Just sort it out. FFS.

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The RFL also had hundreds of thousands of pounds from Bradford's reduced TV payout. SL clubs decided to share it between themselves.

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Wigan are supposed to have close links with South Wales, can't they find the extra?

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This is typical RL administration. Wine, dine and woo potential outpost clubs and then kick them in the nuts - particularly those who have to travel 1000s of miles every year. Just sort it out. FFS.

Couldn't agree more.  It's like they want to make life as difficult as possible for the expansion clubs they say they want.  The RFL irritates me to infuriates me on a far too regular basis.  Without them in their current guise I'm sure our game would run smoothly!

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The RFL also had hundreds of thousands of pounds from Bradford's reduced TV payout. SL clubs decided to share it between themselves.

This really annoyed me at the time, and even more so now.

The money should have gone to the lower leagues not the SL clubs.

I also agree that an extra £2 on GF ticket prices (and the championship and championship 1 finals) should be an option, with the money going to the lower leagues. Even if it was voluntary I think there are enough people who would pay it.

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The RFL are happy to waste money at SL level with Bradford and Crusaders and yet fail to look after development clubs in the Championships. The RFL wanted development clubs to come to the table and rightly so. But to cut their budgets and allow them to struggle  I fail o understand. I would rather the SL clubs got each 50K less and development clubs including Sheffield, Doncaster, Gateshead and Cumbria given the money to help them. The RFL some to often fail to realize how important and diificult things are outside SL especially for development clubs.

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The RFL are happy to waste money at SL level with Bradford and Crusaders and yet fail to look after development clubs in the Championships. The RFL wanted development clubs to come to the table and rightly so. But to cut their budgets and allow them to struggle  I fail o understand. I would rather the SL clubs got each 50K less and development clubs including Sheffield, Doncaster, Gateshead and Cumbria given the money to help them. The RFL some to often fail to realize how important and diificult things are outside SL especially for development clubs.

Not sure I have much sympathy here. There was a club in South Wales, they went north, went bust and were re-born as the North Wales Crusaders and they seem to be making a fist of things. Another bunch of people started up the South Wales Scorpions when Crusders ŵent north. Good news, but it is up to them to be able to fund themselves. Would like to see more money for all clubs, but can't see why we should feel any more sorry for the Scorpions that we should for Skolars, Hemel, Oxford etc.

I'm a big fan of rugby league in Wales, but I've got serious doubts about whether South Wales is the place for a pro rugby league side. It seems a pretty crowded sports market down there, with not a lot of money to go round, and they even seem to struggle to have top line club rugby union sides.

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Really interesting figures in that statement. Budget of £70k per season. £10k on coach travel, £35k on doctors, coaches, kit & accommodation. Leaving £25k for players. 25 player squad for 9 months = £110 each per month!

A bit of brinksmanship going on I think, and probably some over-exaggeration of costs too. Plus the fact that they get £70k from the RFL yet claim that is their total budget. So what happens to other income like gate receipts, sponsorship money, matchday income from bars, programmes, lottery etc then ?

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This is turning into an Annus Horriblis for Rugby League.

 

The question here is simple, For Championship expansion clubs this issue is simply travel and accomodation costs. and yes, if the games rulers are committed to expansion then there needs to be an exemption . 

 

Clubs along the M62 do not have anything like the same costs for a routine day trip, So not it should not be handouts for all.

 

Lets get real here - You either support expansion or you do not . The limus test in this case and with other outpost clubs is whether there is any recognition that the problems of outposts clubs are different and that exemptions do need to be made.

 

I cannot believe we are seriously having a debate about this.

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This is turning into an Annus Horriblis for Rugby League.

 

The question here is simple, For Championship expansion clubs this issue is simply travel and accomodation costs. and yes, if the games rulers are committed to expansion then there needs to be an exemption . 

 

Clubs along the M62 do not have anything like the same costs for a routine day trip, So not it should not be handouts for all.

 

Lets get real here - You either support expansion or you do not . The limus test in this case and with other outpost clubs is whether there is any recognition that the problems of outposts clubs are different and that exemptions do need to be made.

 

I cannot believe we are seriously having a debate about this.

Well said.

 

I'm sure I remember though the RFL saying last season that travel costs for the CC1 clubs would be paid from central funds due to the wide geographical area involved in that league?  Maybe they withdrew that offer or took it off the previous central funding?

 

Either way it's a real shame that the Scorps feel the need to say these things.  The RFL has to back these clubs up.  The NRL did it with Melbourne and presumably the fans and other clubs down there accepted the special status.  If the RFL is worth the name governing body then it should be ensuring the outlying newbie clubs are sustained until they establish themselves. 

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This is turning into an Annus Horriblis for Rugby League.

 

The question here is simple, For Championship expansion clubs this issue is simply travel and accomodation costs. and yes, if the games rulers are committed to expansion then there needs to be an exemption . 

 

Clubs along the M62 do not have anything like the same costs for a routine day trip, So not it should not be handouts for all.

 

Lets get real here - You either support expansion or you do not . The limus test in this case and with other outpost clubs is whether there is any recognition that the problems of outposts clubs are different and that exemptions do need to be made.

 

I cannot believe we are seriously having a debate about this.

I disagree.

What you say is true of the Championship but Championship 1 has only two heartlands teams (Rochdale and Oldham) so they have to travel just as far as anybody else. All teams in Championship 1 should get the cash.

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I really hope South Wales Scorpions survive.  They are worth saving for their player pathway and the young welsh talent they are bringing through.  I for one would contribute to a fighting fund if needed.

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I reckon they'll be okay. The RFL don't have the cash to prop up a SL side based in one of the world's most expensive cities but they should be able to sort out a CC1 side based in South Wales. CC1 needs to be a priority if we are ever to have successful expansion.

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All SL crowds above 10,000 should pay a 5% levy on the portion of the crowd that is above the 10,000 barrier. This mostly will mean that the cashed up haves who can afford it like Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Hull, Warrington and the occasional big crowd at other grounds will subsidise the CC! teams in need for the greater good of the game.

 

"Noblesse oblige" as the French say.

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