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Next time, the Tories will form a pre-election concord  with UKIP and the Libdems will form one with Labour. Could be a close-run thing.

Howe many MPs do you envisage UKIP getting in 2015 or 2020?

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Howe many MPs do you envisage UKIP getting in 2015 or 2020?

 

Depends how many seats that Cameron will offer not to stand in.

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Cleggie is going all out with the Tory coalition plan at the next election if there's another hung Parliament.  What about the equally credible role of agreeing to support the largest party but outside of government?  Agree to support the government in any confidence motion but nothing else, that would force the government to negotiate over everything, we might actually see a legislature with some balls for the first time ever and able to hold the government properly to account.

 

Clegg so clearly wanting another Tory coalition is just idiocy and a real vote loser.  It makes my decision to not vote for the Lib Dems next time even more firm.

 

Then there's the far more realistic option that we get a majority government next time and the Lib Dems are left as the ugly unwanted stepchild of Parliament with nothing beyond squeaky unheard speeches left to them in Parliament from their few remaining MPs.

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Ok what about tuition fees,that was the first point I made.

If you want to start a thread about the NHS then please do so, this thread is about the lickspittle Tory whore that Nick Clegg has become. Who betrayed me and a lot of other poeple who were nieve enough to think they were an alternative party with socially respectful agenda.

Be ###### at them for tuition fees, yes, they sold their soul to the devil.

You mentioned the NHS and the "dismantling" of it.

A socially respectful agenda? Hell fire, i thought i was unrealistic with my expectations for politicians.

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Liberal Democrat Home Office Minister Jeremy Browne called for a national debate on whether the state should step in to prevent young Muslim women having to wear the full face veil,

 ( story here http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/15/islamic-veil-ban_n_3931679.html?utm_hp_ref=uk )

 

In something like 'What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us' from the Life of Brian, Nick Clegg was asked his views on this.  He said he would strongly opposed any banning of the veil.  But what about  in cases of national security he was asked, 'Oh yes, then there would have to be a ban'. What about in education, 'Oh yes, then there would have to be a ban'. And at airports, 'Oh yes, then there would have to be a ban'. And having to wear it being forced upon them, 'Oh yes, then there would have to be a ban'  ..... but other than that they should have a choice.   Doesn't really give the impression of being that decisive does he.

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Cleggie is going all out with the Tory coalition plan at the next election if there's another hung Parliament.  What about the equally credible role of agreeing to support the largest party but outside of government? 

 

They should offer to support the party that gives them the best chance of putting forward a Liberal Democrat policy agenda, which may not be the largest party.   There's no reason why the 2nd and 3rd largest parties shouldn't form a coalition.   

 

Agreeing to support the largest party is stupid when you don't yet know who that largest party will be. 

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Clegg so clearly wanting another Tory coalition is just idiocy and a real vote loser.  It makes my decision to not vote for the Lib Dems next time even more firm.

 

He has no choice but to want a Tory coalition.  He won't get further power any other way.   The price of a future Lib/Lab coalition would have to be Clegg stepping down as party leader and taking many senior Lib Dems with him.   

 

The only way Clegg, Alexander, Laws and Cable have a political future with the Lib Dems after 2015 is in a continuing coalition with the Tories.

 

Clegg is a weak man, but he is not a stupid man.   If he thought there was any chance of him being a figure in a Labour led government he'd have toned down the anti-Labour rhetoric over the past few years, and would right now be trying to publicly build some bridges to Ed M (as that wierdo Tim Farron is notably doing).

 

My guess is that the next election will lead to a small Tory majority, and a much reduced Lib Dem presence in the Commons.  Nick Clegg and David Laws will end up on the Tory benches in the Lords.

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I agree. A good and fair analysis.

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Clegg: "In an ideal world I'd be Prime Minister" (Daily Mail linky)

 

Erm... no.

 

In my mind, he's the 4th best political leader right now behind Cameron, Miliband and Salmond.  Some people could put credible cases for Nigel Farage being a better leader.

 

As an aside, it's getting beyond pathetic now with politicians leaking speeches before they give them.  Surely the primary audience deserves first go at it.

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Clegg's made a speech to the Lib/Dem conference advocating a coaltion with on or other of the two larger parties on the basis that they'd stop Labour from being profilgate and stop the Tories from erm being Tories.  Where excactly has he been during the last three years?  Even the UN think the Tories are beyond the pale!

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I am right in thinking that the Libs didn't actually win any more seats in 2010 than 2005? They will most likely nosedive in 2015, what is there to be chippy about Mr Clegg?

 

They seem to be a beneficiary of circumstances not of success.

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I am right in thinking that the Libs didn't actually win any more seats in 2010 than 2005? They will most likely nosedive in 2015, what is there to be chippy about Mr Clegg?

 

They seem to be a beneficiary of circumstances not of success.

More accurately, a beneficiary of Gordon Brown being a sour-faced miserable sod and David Cameron being a Bullingdon Club rich boy, both just more electable than rotting cheese..

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There is a suggestion that Clegg could lose his seat at the next General Election. What does he do?.

He could always look for safe Lib-Dem seat and throw the current Lib-dem MP out of his seat, or does he man up and try to save his present seat?

I know where my money would be.

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I for one hope he is reelected. He is a valuable member of political society...not least because he arouses so much irrational reaction amongst the chattering classes of the soft left on here,

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"It seems to me that it's just preposterous, the idea that if a party comes third in terms of the number of votes, it still has the right to carry on squatting in No. 10."

 

That was Nick Clegg in May 2010, just before the last General Election. Talking about Gordon Brown and Labour then, of course.

 

He seems to have changed his tune now, on this as on so many things.

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Funny that. It's not the sort of thing politicians normally do.

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Funny that. It's not the sort of thing politicians normally do.

 

They all do it, and we are all weary of it, but Clegg and his party claimed to be something quite different in May 2010.

 

How hollow it all sounds now.

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I was being sarcastic. Anyway, may it just shows that the leading Lib Dems are as politically " mature" as the rest of the bunch.  Realpolitik?

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I was being sarcastic. Anyway, may it just shows that the leading Lib Dems are as politically " mature" as the rest of the bunch.  Realpolitik?

 

And thus, they are held in equal if not greater contempt.

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