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walter sobchak

England's backs

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From the Aus team only Watmough, Parker and maybe Papali have been good this year, with only Parker being outstanding

 

Thaiday has been terrible - him even being mentioned is down to his name and not his standard this season.

Bird and Lewis have been decent enough, but not done anything that the likes of Ellis, Westwood, Ferres, Kirmond and Farrell wouldn't have done.

 

And from the NZ team only SBW has been top drawer - the other have been average at best.

 

I think you are being unfair to Bird there. He has had a great season and a brilliant SOO series. He has just won the Brad Fittler medal for NSW player of the series. I think he is a world class player.

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I'd go with:

 

1. S Tomkins

2. Charnley

3. Watkins

4. Cudjoe

5. Hall

6. Widdop

7. Chase

8. G Burgess

9. Sinfield

10. Graham

11. Hock

12. S Burgess

13. O'Loughlin

 

14. Lunt

15. Crabtree

16. Hill

17. Westwood

 

Also in the squad: Jones-Bishop, Crooks, M Smith, T Burgess, Mossop, Ferres, Roby

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I'd go with:

 

1. S Tomkins

2. Charnley

3. Watkins

4. Cudjoe

5. Hall

6. Widdop

7. Chase

8. G Burgess

9. Sinfield

10. Graham

11. Hock

12. S Burgess

13. O'Loughlin

 

14. Lunt

15. Crabtree

16. Hill

17. Westwood

 

Also in the squad: Jones-Bishop, Crooks, M Smith, T Burgess, Mossop, Ferres, Roby

 

That looks a good team. I personally would swap Hill with Mossop and Sinfield with McIllorum.

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I'd go with:

1. S Tomkins

2. Charnley

3. Watkins

4. Cudjoe

5. Hall

6. Widdop

7. Chase

8. G Burgess

9. Sinfield

10. Graham

11. Hock

12. S Burgess

13. O'Loughlin

14. Lunt

15. Crabtree

16. Hill

17. Westwood

Also in the squad: Jones-Bishop, Crooks, M Smith, T Burgess, Mossop, Ferres, Roby

If McNamara went with that side (and squad) I'd be ecstatic.

Edit: If you know McNamara, can you 'have a word'?

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He's playing whether you like it or not. If he's at 9 his flaws get less exposed at Hooker.

If I was choosing my team I'd have Widdop at 6, Brough at 7 with Lunt starting at 9 interchanging with Danny Houghton.

But we have to be realistic here.

i think thats about the best posible set up. but with brough a definate no go i would probably put tomkins at 7 with somebody a little more reliable as a defensive fullback. probably go for hardaker or lomax. as for hooker, if its anyone other than lunt and houghton interchanging then it will sum mcnamara up completely as a coach who seems to have his favourites

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Mcnamarra has played with the same 1,6,7,9 spine (tomkins,sinfield,chase,roby) in every game possible.....barring injury thats not going to change with only 1 warm up game before the world cup..

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That looks a good team. I personally would swap Hill with Mossop and Sinfield with McIllorum.

 

I'd play Hill as he makes good yards and has better offloading abilities to Mossop. As for Sinfield, the only reason he'd be at hooker is McNamara will play him as captain plus we need a goal kicker. He's too slow for halfback so hooker is the only place he'd have a position to help control the game.

 

If McNamara went with that side (and squad) I'd be ecstatic.

Edit: If you know McNamara, can you 'have a word'?

 

Haha I have actually met him. Watched one of the 2004 Ashes Series matches with him in a bar in Gran Canaria. Decent bloke!

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I'd play Hill as he makes good yards and has better offloading abilities to Mossop. As for Sinfield, the only reason he'd be at hooker is McNamara will play him as captain plus we need a goal kicker. He's too slow for halfback so hooker is the only place he'd have a position to help control the game.

 

 

Haha I have actually met him. Watched one of the 2004 Ashes Series matches with him in a bar in Gran Canaria. Decent bloke!

In that case, reignite your old 'friendship' and get it sorted. ;-)

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Haha I have actually met him. Watched one of the 2004 Ashes Series matches with him in a bar in Gran Canaria. Decent bloke!

In that case, reignite your old 'friendship' and get it sorted. ;-)

Also, see if you can get his shoes for me...

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Mcnamarra has played with the same 1,6,7,9 spine (tomkins,sinfield,chase,roby) in every game possible.....barring injury thats not going to change with only 1 warm up game before the world cup..

Apart from the last game where Myler partnered Sinfield.

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chase was on the bench...irrc chase came on for roby & sinfield went to 9 and myler & chase in tbe halves....

makes sense to try some options in a mid year hit out

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Would anyone have Tomkins at Stand off?

Up to me replying to this question there has been a total of 135 replies to the topic "England's Backs". Mr Magic's question was number 37, not one person has been troubled to comment on "Would anyone have Tomkins at stand-off", well last year I posed the question that Sam when playing full-back was very suspect under the high ball and that the Aussie's and Kiwi's would play on this frailty of his. I got pilloried for making these comments on this site, but judging by his performance on this particular aspect of his play against Leeds last week I have no reason to alter my views, I would also go as far to say that he is not the best tackler we could put in this position. Sam is too good of a player to leave out, he is devastating on attack and can cause the opposition all manner of problems, so for me yes he would have to be at stand off. I would not go along with when we have the ball he plays full back and when we are defending he plays stand off as some one suggested when I first raised the subject.

So my backs

 

Widdup/Hardacre

Charnley

Watkins

Reed

Hall 

Tomkins

Burrow

 

with Chase or McGuire on the bench

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Up to me replying to this question there has been a total of 135 replies to the topic "England's Backs". Mr Magic's question was number 37, not one person has been troubled to comment on "Would anyone have Tomkins at stand-off", well last year I posed the question that Sam when playing full-back was very suspect under the high ball and that the Aussie's and Kiwi's would play on this frailty of his. I got pilloried for making these comments on this site, but judging by his performance on this particular aspect of his play against Leeds last week I have no reason to alter my views, I would also go as far to say that he is not the best tackler we could put in this position. Sam is too good of a player to leave out, he is devastating on attack and can cause the opposition all manner of problems, so for me yes he would have to be at stand off. I would not go along with when we have the ball he plays full back and when we are defending he plays stand off as some one suggested when I first raised the subject.

So my backs

Widdup/Hardacre

Charnley

Watkins

Reed

Hall

Tomkins

Burrow

with Chase or McGuire on the bench

reed has been ruled out

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reed has been ruled out

Ok then, which ever Widdup or Hardacre at Full Back the other at Centre, 

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Ok then, which ever Widdup or Hardacre at Full Back the other at Centre, 

 

Widdop is a standoff.

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Widdop is a standoff.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he not play full back at Leigh Sports Village for England in the last 4 Nations?

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Possibly, but he isn't a full back for his club team. For the last 2 seasons he has played stand off for Melbourne Storm.

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I don't wish to dwell on a subject but , would following the Huddersfield, non-performance, last night, anyone be prepared to acknowledge what I consider my logical argument on the unsuitability of CudjNoe at centre or the fact that should Huddersfield progress further than nextweek and ultimately go on to WIN! the grand final that they would be humiliated should they then contest the W/club challenge?

 

I cannot under any circumstance whatever envisage the mismatch that would ensue should CudjNoe be pitted against anyone that the Aussies should select in the centre's and should it be Inglis.....................Arrrrrrgh!

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So what is your argument based on one game? Are you Steve MacNamara?

I suspect you'd argue he shouldn't be picked even if he won man of the match in every game between now and the World Club challenge...

You've decided you hate Cudjoe so that's all there is to it.

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I don't wish to dwell on a subject but , would following the Huddersfield, non-performance, last night, anyone be prepared to acknowledge what I consider my logical argument on the unsuitability of CudjNoe at centre or the fact that should Huddersfield progress further than nextweek and ultimately go on to WIN! the grand final that they would be humiliated should they then contest the W/club challenge?

 

I cannot under any circumstance whatever envisage the mismatch that would ensue should CudjNoe be pitted against anyone that the Aussies should select in the centre's and should it be Inglis.....................Arrrrrrgh!

How is your argument "logical"? I can't even work out what your argument is.

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People are talking about thurston and cronk but for me the best half backs in the nrl this season has been Mitchell and Pearce at the roosters. Also I'd have widdop and Matty smith at as our half backs, smiths got a great kicking game IMO and has been brilliant this season, I'd also try and fit chase on the bench just cos he has that X factor

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