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Two SL clubs have made offers to Agar? 

 

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maybe...but he doesn't say what the offers were.  :laugh:

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Tim Smith was sold for £70k to Salford and an immediate saving on 3 month's wages. Smith had been negotiating with Salford. Amor went for £50k as he wanted to go to Saints and said he would not be extending his contract beyond 2014, so if Wakey could get some cash for him, he would go now. Saints initial offer was £30k. Huddersfield made an offer, but Amor only wanted to go to Saints.

Most people in the room were supportive of the approach and of the opinion that selling Smith & Amor was not the best, but better to cash in now, rather than let them go for free later.

All very well if the solvency of a company were the only factor here. But it is not. Super League is in the entertainment industry and an already mediocre side just became a complete no hoper.

At Castleford it is a similar story. Talisman Chase out, Super League cast-offs Wheeldon and Seymour in. Just watch those season tickets fly out of the door and hear Sky's phone blaring to book in those Cas games for the prime time Friday night slots.

Yet again for Super League it is 1 step forward (Salford - main beneficiaries and obviously now worthy of attention) and 2 steps back.

The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season. And there will be no Koukash saviour for these small historic clubs in a saturated market with zero commercial or wider appeal.

An obvious solution presents itself but won't materialise (yet) because the administrators and consumers of British rugby league are cowards and/or babies. Good luck to those Wakey fans for the next few years of hidings and digging deep into your pockets out of the stubborn, misguided belief that you deserve your stand-alone side and that they can be in any way successful again. You deserve nothing more. (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).

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Cas'll be alright. Probably better without Chase.

Yeah being marshaled by 1 of the world's best halves never did it for me either.

Wigan need to bin that Tomkins lad before he does them any more damage as well.

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.The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season.

The approach by the board is specifically to prevent Wakey going into administration.

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An obvious solution presents itself but won't materialise (yet) because the administrators and consumers of British rugby league are cowards and/or babies. Good luck to those Wakey fans for the next few years of hidings and digging deep into your pockets out of the stubborn, misguided belief that you deserve your stand-alone side and that they can be in any way successful again. You deserve nothing more. (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).

 

You can't bin your customers and start again without taking a massive risk.

 

It's still on for Wakefield in terms of the new ground where they still remain a club who IMHO could reach 10,000 crowds and therefore don't need to sort of heavy perennial investment that is needed to prop Fartown up and will be more so needed at Fev.

 

Yes it's a shame the game can't/won't centrally plan in a radical fashion and that it goes ragged at the seams when we feel it doesn't have to be like that, It elongates the process of creating a true superleague. But to declare that Wakefield can never be successful again is way off the mark.

 

Why not wait for the Newmarket project and see what investment that brings, and whether it sucks Castleford in before being the judge of that Mr. Impatient?

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10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark. 

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10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark. 

 

What's the weather like on Fantasy Island?

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Yeah being marshaled by 1 of the world's best halves never did it for me either.

Wigan need to bin that Tomkins lad before he does them any more damage as well.

And this post alone tells anybody all they need to know about your knowledge of the game

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10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark.

Well the top clubs with regular success like Leeds and Wigan will set the benchmark so it's more like 16,000, something Hull and Bradford got in the region of when they were successful. Something like 10,000 is a bare minium for avoiding having to have a rich man pumping millions in, but if they are willing to do it we'll have it so 5,000 is OK. Apparently in such cases they should all sit opposite the camera when the games on TV.

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 Apparently in such cases they should all sit opposite the camera when the games on TV.

 

Actually, that does make a lot of sense.  I don't imagine the sight of half empty stadia does much to make the casual viewer, or more importantly potential sponsor think that we have much of a sport.

 

Seeing a chock full stand has got to be good for business.

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Actually, that does make a lot of sense.  I don't imagine the sight of half empty stadia does much to make the casual viewer, or more importantly potential sponsor think that we have much of a sport.

Seeing a chock full stand has got to be good for business.

Hmmm I agree 100% in theory, IMHO in practice the full grounds also contain the top teams with on the field success driving crowds. I'd also suggest those watching on TV already largely pay to watch, anyway back on topic will the possible decline of cas and wakey be your chance to grow your crowds?

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Halifax did try this alongside trying to pay the debts Nigel Wood and friends had previously built up. As you said it ended in disaster as many fans and sponsors had already walked away due to the attitude of Wood and co. The crowds had dropped to sub 2500 and with such a weak team and then relegation the writing was on the wall. Fax never got rid of the debts Wood and co ´built and it was the debt the new board inherited that saw them bring out the buckets a few years later. Halifax have never recovered from this.

 

The most chilling paragraph in the entire thread.

 

The model above seems to be the one he still uses - but unfortunately - at a higher level. Sponsors walking away is particularly alarming and he appears to have repeated that feat again.

 

I sat at Wembley watching him wobble about, full of self importance and boiling with anger as to how he got where he is now (disasterously) residing. Its called waiting for the better man to move on.

 

Not wishing to hijack the OP - I wish Wakefield well and have no snide comments to make.

 

Above that - I have a real concern for the Game overall while it is mis-managed and under sold by the current regime - we are run by a bloke who cannot even be bothered to improve himself, his presentation technique or any other missing attribute. :ireful:

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The most chilling paragraph in the entire thread.

 

The model above seems to be the one he still uses - but unfortunately - at a higher level. Sponsors walking away is particularly alarming and he appears to have repeated that feat again.

 

I sat at Wembley watching him wobble about, full of self importance and boiling with anger as to how he got where he is now (disasterously) residing. Its called waiting for the better man to move on.

 

Not wishing to hijack the OP - I wish Wakefield well and have no snide comments to make.

 

Above that - I have a real concern for the Game overall while it is mis-managed and under sold by the current regime - we are run by a bloke who cannot even be bothered to improve himself, his presentation technique or any other missing attribute. :ireful:

agree 100% with everything you have posted, i have always had a soft spot for halifax, and wood destroyed the club........now he is on course to do the same to the game as a whole. rome burns whilst nero fiddles.

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The approach by the board is specifically to prevent Wakey going into administration.

 

Didn't we hear all of this 2 years ago?

 

How do you stave off administration next season when even fewer people pay to watch you because your team is even worse than it is now?

 

This is only going 1 way and you know it. You are King Canute demanding that the waves of modern life retreat.

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Yet again for Super League it is 1 step forward (Salford - main beneficiaries and obviously now worthy of attention) and 2 steps back.

The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season. And there will be no Koukash saviour for these small historic clubs in a saturated market with zero commercial or wider appeal.

The smart money will be on Wakefield being written off, yet again, but probably doing the double over Salford.

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Didn't we hear all of this 2 years ago?

 

How do you stave off administration next season when even fewer people pay to watch you because your team is even worse than it is now?

 

This is only going 1 way and you know it.

 

Aw calm down. The club is stuck in a limbo between the Ted Richardson administration and the opportunities afforded by the opening of Newmarket. The time for people to invest in the club is when Newmarket opens, in the meantime it's just about staying alive so I suggest your projection of down down down is unfair, unless you know that Newmarket will never happen?

 

If there was one thing to hang onto whilst the club get to Newmarket it may be the junior talent coming through...Oh hang on!

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All very well if the solvency of a company were the only factor here. But it is not. Super League is in the entertainment industry and an already mediocre side just became a complete no hoper.

At Castleford it is a similar story. Talisman Chase out, Super League cast-offs Wheeldon and Seymour in. Just watch those season tickets fly out of the door and hear Sky's phone blaring to book in those Cas games for the prime time Friday night slots.

Yet again for Super League it is 1 step forward (Salford - main beneficiaries and obviously now worthy of attention) and 2 steps back.

The smart money says that both Wakey and Cas will enter administration next season. And there will be no Koukash saviour for these small historic clubs in a saturated market with zero commercial or wider appeal.

An obvious solution presents itself but won't materialise (yet) because the administrators and consumers of British rugby league are cowards and/or babies. Good luck to those Wakey fans for the next few years of hidings and digging deep into your pockets out of the stubborn, misguided belief that you deserve your stand-alone side and that they can be in any way successful again. You deserve nothing more. (By the way, a merged Calder side is eventually inevitable).

 

Well I agree the immediate future doesn't look good, but two men have put homes up so can go with our good wishes.Wakefield really do have the potential to be a big club.

10K fans shouldn't be enough for an elite British rugby league comp. It should be a bare minimum.

 

20K should be nearer the mark. 

There are FL Championship clubs and I think FA Prem clubs only getting 20k

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There are FL Championship clubs and I think FA Prem clubs only getting 20k

In the last round of the FL Championship, according to a Football thread on another forum, there were three matches that drew less than 10,000 spectators.

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Well I agree the immediate future doesn't look good, but two men have put homes up so can go with our good wishes.Wakefield really do have the potential to be a big club.

There are FL Championship clubs and I think FA Prem clubs only getting 20k

 

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/6f/bd/0,,10794~179567,00.pdf

 

Considering soccer is massive compared to RL our Superleague attendances hold up very well indeed against the Championship.

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http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/6f/bd/0,,10794~179567,00.pdf

 

Considering soccer is massive compared to RL our Superleague attendances hold up very well indeed against the Championship.

 

Just looking at the Cardiff average of around 23,000 for the beginning of this season just reinforces how success drives attendance plus improved facilities too but mainly success.:

 

In 2000 and 2001 Cardiff averaged over 6000 and 7000 respectively.   Now they fill their new stadium of around 23000 capacity, hence with the money from arriving into the Premier League are expanding the stadium to 38000 over next few years.   Same for Swansea.

 

One of the reasons that club rugby union in Wales is worried that the success of football with Cardiff and Swansea is attracting youngsters to football away from rugby union.

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