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Rugby needed a Messiah back in the 90s to rescue it from the Wigan grip.Step forward Sky TV and Maurice with the master plan for mergers etc. This in particular mergers was roundly denounced as impossible heresy.

    But in my humble opinion the only salvation for the likes of Trinity and classy Cas (and maybe Featherstone too) is the said merger playing out of a newStadium.

   

their pursuit of individual success is in my opinion doomed to failure relative to superleague.

  The RFL must back London with cash and persuade Clubs with superleague pretensions to talk to their neighbours in a meaningfull way or be denied any opportunity to be promoted yo superleague.

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Yes they do that's why I was surprised at someone saying nothing lower than 20K should be acceptable for SL clubs

Quite right.

Only two clubs have a chance of getting anywhere near that figure 'leeds and wigan', and imo they are miles off.

A few years ago I thought warrington were going to be the top supported club around but unfortunately they seem to have peaked.

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Yes they do that's why I was surprised at someone saying nothing lower than 20K should be acceptable for SL clubs

It was a collective non-feeding of the you know what policy.

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But in my humble opinion the only salvation for the likes of Trinity and classy Cas (and maybe Featherstone too) is the said merger playing out of a newStadium.

   

their pursuit of individual success is in my opinion doomed to failure relative to superleague.

  The RFL must back London with cash and persuade Clubs with superleague pretensions to talk to their neighbours in a meaningfull way or be denied any opportunity to be promoted yo superleague.

 

Your quite late (but quite welcome) to the debate.

 

Last year Wakefield were a top 8 club with a top 8 average attendance and put nearly 10,000 fans into Bell Vue for the league game with Cas. Imagine what a top four team in a modern venue could pull??

 

The club simply lack investment, and in my opinion don't need a radical plan to please everyone which could easily backfire and please no-one. That nobody is investing in them at the moment may be that it's not the right time, they become infinately more viable once the new stadium becomes a reality?

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Last year Wakefield were a top 8 club with a top 8 average attendance and put nearly 10,000 fans into Bell Vue for the league game with Cas. Imagine what a top four team in a modern venue could pull??

Is a modern venue the key factor? People point to the increased crowds of Warrington and Hull after their moves to a new stadium. But the crucial thing from my perspective is that they are in an accessible part of the town with plenty of access options. I'm not convinced that new stadiums that are situated 'conveniently' off motorway junctions are necessarily an attractive proposition to visit.

 

It's a shame that Belle Vue and Wheldon Road can't be gradually improved over time to modernise the facilities. I'm a sucker for historic grounds as opposed to new builds (especially Cas).

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mr  parksider the only time wakefield were succesful was in the 50s and 60s whe I think I am correct a local builder the late mr R Fell put cash in. You may recall big signings then  D Turner D Vines certain South Africans  and a very good coach in Ken Traill.

    It seems to have been all downhill since then.

     But Iwish them success despite the problems they have.

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The question still remains about Wakefield even getting a new ground. I genuinely hope they do but we've been promised that since before Wakey joined Super League

But if the current board are "treading water" till then, all that's going to happen is more of the same - and IF Newmarket happens, there is absolutely no certainty it will have the desired effect

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The question still remains about Wakefield even getting a new ground. I genuinely hope they do but we've been promised that since before Wakey joined Super League

But if the current board are "treading water" till then, all that's going to happen is more of the same - and IF Newmarket happens, there is absolutely no certainty it will have the desired effect

 

The thing with the new stadium is its driven from outside of the club therefore outside of its influence. A private developer is pushing this through and Trinity will be the beneficiaries. Next week a large cold storage facility is facing the planners and this will  open up the site in terms of finance and access.

 

https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=MPCVJBQQ04200

 

Should this go through then a large proportion of the enabling development will be achieved which will in turn trigger the funding for the stadium, Hopefully Trinity will still be in SL to make full  use of the facility. Over 10K watched Trinity V Leeds at Belle Vue in July, the potential is there, it needs a decent side to entice it. The stadium should make them are more attractive proposition, it’s just a shame the location is not closer into the city.

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That's exactly the problem - it's outside the clubs influence. There's no promise it will happen, and if it does Trin will truly benefit from it

I genuinely want it to come up roses but if the board don't have a contingency in place then it's tough times for Trin.

Can they hold on long enough is the question

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That's exactly the problem - it's outside the clubs influence. There's no promise it will happen, and if it does Trin will truly benefit from it

I genuinely want it to come up roses but if the board don't have a contingency in place then it's tough times for Trin.

Can they hold on long enough is the question

The strategy of the new board to not spend what they haven't got is their 'contingency' plan. So rather than spend now on the promise of riches to come, they are taking a much less risky approach by ensuring the club lives within its means in the next few years.

At the open meeting the room was split about 50/50 on whether people would prefer the club to move to Newmarket or redevelop Belle Vue. A lot of people weren't bothered one way or the other. They just want a decent stadium.

What people did recognise was that Newmarket provides the club with opportunities for much increased income on non match day, which a redeveloped Belle Vue doesn't. Most people recognise that increasing revenue streams is key to the growth of a club like Wakey.

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In the next few days a planning application for the first but absolutely ginormous refrigeration warehouse on Newmarket will go before the WMDC Planning dept. The warehouse has a cost of over £42Million and this alone will go a long way toward providing the finances for the stadium. Not only that but vital other works will be provided and installed, such as, the main road in and out of Newmarket, the changes made to existing junctions, the building of a major new junction, gas, Electric, water and drainage for the whole site amongst many other things.

This is the biggest step forward since the Public Inquiry rubber stamped the development and paves the way, literally, for the stadium and related sports facilities.

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The question still remains about Wakefield even getting a new ground. I genuinely hope they do but we've been promised that since before Wakey joined Super League

But if the current board are "treading water" till then, all that's going to happen is more of the same - and IF Newmarket happens, there is absolutely no certainty it will have the desired effect

That's spot on imo.

 

You only need to look at Salford to see what a new ground but no playing success brings in terms of extra support. Even a relatively successful club like Huddersfield, are struggling to get their 'top of the range' ground much over a quarter full. It just shows there are no guarantees and speculating doesn't always mean accumulating.

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That's spot on imo.

 

You only need to look at Salford to see what a new ground but no playing success brings in terms of extra support. Even a relatively successful club like Huddersfield, are struggling to get their 'top of the range' ground much over a quarter full. It just shows there are no guarantees and speculating doesn't always mean accumulating.

Not sure either of those is a particularly good example. Salford were a shockingly badly run club and limped into their new stadium. Huddersfield's business model is based on Ken Davy putting in £2m per year & their ground is too big.

IF Wakey gets expenditure under control and if Wakey move to Newmarket in a sensibly planned way, then there is no reason it should not be the catalyst for further growth.

Of course they could cock it up, but we'll just have to wait and see on that one. I've more confidence in their current plan, than in some of the others I've heard from Wakey in the past.

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Giants have lost generations of support, which is why it's taking time to build the support, so at least try to take you chip off your shoulder when you comment on other clubs

You say Salford were on a dire run then limped into their new stadium? Exactly how are they different from Wakey, or Cas?

Apart from the fact their stadium exists? And not hugely to their benefit either it seems.

Wakey seem to be pinning a lot on a ground that isn't built yet

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mr  parksider the only time wakefield were succesful was in the 50s and 60s whe I think I am correct a local builder the late mr R Fell put cash in. You may recall big signings then  D Turner D Vines certain South Africans  and a very good coach in Ken Traill.

    It seems to have been all downhill since then.

     But Iwish them success despite the problems they have.

 

All the top clubs in SL have a "Mr. Fell" driving them on.

 

The advantages Wakefield have are being able to get an 8,000 average crowd sneaking into the top 8, being able to get 10K crowds against Leeds and Cas despite a poor ground and average team, sitting on an area with a lot of junior RL, having a successful academy side, in which if they can get an investor and impetus top kids may decide to stay in the area with Trinity.

 

If Newmarket comes along too there surely isn't another club going that could touch Wakefield for the potential to be a top four club. They would be the most attractive club going for any investor. As for the grounds location it's on a main road heading out of town to a main motorway, bit like HJ?? How close to town is the JJB?? I'm not sure about this "walk up crowd" thing. Everyone at Belle Vue I walk up the Donny Road with from Thornes Lane seem to have got off cars and buses....

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I think in this case we need to learn from our mistakes. We let Oldham go to the dogs, and whilst it still has a good amateur base how long will this last without a top team to get the kid into rugby league.

We cannot let top level rugby die in this area, the long term consequences to the grassroots would be detrimental to the sport overall.

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Not sure either of those is a particularly good example. Salford were a shockingly badly run club and limped into their new stadium. Huddersfield's business model is based on Ken Davy putting in £2m per year & their ground is too big.

IF Wakey gets expenditure under control and if Wakey move to Newmarket in a sensibly planned way, then there is no reason it should not be the catalyst for further growth.

Of course they could cock it up, but we'll just have to wait and see on that one. I've more confidence in their current plan, than in some of the others I've heard from Wakey in the past.

That's all fair comment mate, though, unlike a lot of folk, I've never felt a new ground is certain to provide anything, other than keeping the majority a bit dryer than they were. Whilst I take your point that it certainly could be a catalyst for future investment  there's certainly no guarantee of it, or even of bigger crowds and it may be that better uses could be found for the money.

 

Whatever the outcome though, I wish Wakey nothing but the best of luck with it.

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That's all fair comment mate, though, unlike a lot of folk, I've never felt a new ground is certain to provide anything, other than keeping the majority a bit dryer than they were. Whilst I take your point that it certainly could be a catalyst for future investment  there's certainly no guarantee of it, or even of bigger crowds and it may be that better uses could be found for the money.

 

Whatever the outcome though, I wish Wakey nothing but the best of luck with it.

 

I agree a ground isn't a panacea for all ills but it's a good start. Who has the more potential.? Oldham at Whitebank or Doncaster at Keepmoat or Leigh at the Sports Village.

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That's all fair comment mate, though, unlike a lot of folk, I've never felt a new ground is certain to provide anything, other than keeping the majority a bit dryer than they were. Whilst I take your point that it certainly could be a catalyst for future investment  there's certainly no guarantee of it, or even of bigger crowds and it may be that better uses could be found for the money.

 

Castleford were quite clear that their ricketty old ground was a financial millstone as it wasn't fit to generate the sort of sums that a well planned modern stadium could provide in terms of good financial returns on facilities, inc. seating, corporate facilities, bars, food,events etc etc.

 

Belle Vue is on a bit of a par with the Jungle so I assume the same applies..........

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Castleford were quite clear that their ricketty old ground was a financial millstone as it wasn't fit to generate the sort of sums that a well planned modern stadium could provide in terms of good financial returns on facilities, inc. seating, corporate facilities, bars, food,events etc etc.

 

Belle Vue is on a bit of a par with the Jungle so I assume the same applies..........

I get your point Parksider but n terms of commercial revenue, hospitality and bars Belle Vue slays Wheldon Rd.

What kills Wakefield is the fact that they pay £125k per year in rent to BOI

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Giants have lost generations of support, which is why it's taking time to build the support, so at least try to take you chip off your shoulder when you comment on other clubs

You say Salford were on a dire run then limped into their new stadium? Exactly how are they different from Wakey, or Cas?

Apart from the fact their stadium exists? And not hugely to their benefit either it seems.

Wakey seem to be pinning a lot on a ground that isn't built yet

I am 46 years old and I can't remember Huddersfield EVER being a well supported club.

Wakey and Cas both have solid fan bases. On relatively minimal incomes, Cas have avoided going any where near admin.

Not sure Wakey are relying on Newmarket, but I am sure it is an integral and essential part of the future plans for success.

As a Wakey fan of a certain age, I have watched to guff...but whatever funds Koucash or Davey have, they would kill for an ingrained and loyal support base like that of Wakey or Cas.

Can you imagine Wakey or Cas with the money being chucked at Reds or Giants?

Cas had bigger crowds than SL Reds, when they were last relegated!

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I get your point Parksider but n terms of commercial revenue, hospitality and bars Belle Vue slays Wheldon Rd.

What kills Wakefield is the fact that they pay £125k per year in rent to BOI

That sounds pretty cheap

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I am 46 years old and I can't remember Huddersfield EVER being a well supported club.

Wakey and Cas both have solid fan bases. On relatively minimal incomes, Cas have avoided going any where near admin.

Not sure Wakey are relying on Newmarket, but I am sure it is an integral and essential part of the future plans for success.

As a Wakey fan of a certain age, I have watched to guff...but whatever funds Koucash or Davey have, they would kill for an ingrained and loyal support base like that of Wakey or Cas.

Can you imagine Wakey or Cas with the money being chucked at Reds or Giants?

Cas had bigger crowds than SL Reds, when they were last relegated!

Well a person of 46 won't remember Huddersfield looking like winning anything.In the 50s and 60s they were quite well supported.However in that era most clubs were

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That sounds pretty cheap

Not when the upkeep of the ground also falls on Wakefield to pay.

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