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Royal Mail privatisation

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You do know the act only guarantees the universal service until 2021 don't you?

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You do know the act only guarantees the universal service until 2021 don't you?

And ? You know for sure that RM wouldn't want changes in future ? The world is constantly changing, what's relevant today might not be relevant in 5 years time. You adapt or die, it's natural evolution.

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The act was only introduced in 2011 as preparation for the privatisation of RM. It is there to safeguard the postal service and to ensure, among other things, that deliveries are at least maintained at current levels and that there is a standard postage charge wherever you may live. Any private company could not unilaterally decide to cut deliveries or charge people in the Dounreay more for the service. It'd require an act of parliament to do so. But the lefties will keep peddling the same old lies and myths as scare stories to suit their agenda, they won't let facts get in the way.

I'm well aware it would take an act if parliament , it's not certain this would be happen but certainly a possibility to tweak the t's and c's of the New RM. I'm not against privatization somethings governments don't need an input into and should be sold off. My issue is that RM gets privatized and cost to use go up and service gets worse. What use is that we can't use anyone else for letters. Not sure if the lefty comment was aimed at me. First time I've been called that if so !

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And ? You know for sure that RM wouldn't want changes in future ? The world is constantly changing, what's relevant today might not be relevant in 5 years time. You adapt or die, it's natural evolution.

Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

 

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.

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Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

 

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.

 

Which is, of course, the fear. The claim is that the Universal Service Obligation is safe as it would mean the issue being brought before Parliament before it could be changed. Well, that doesn't seem much of a guarantee.

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I'm well aware it would take an act if parliament , it's not certain this would be happen but certainly a possibility to tweak the t's and c's of the New RM. I'm not against privatization somethings governments don't need an input into and should be sold off. My issue is that RM gets privatized and cost to use go up and service gets worse. What use is that we can't use anyone else for letters. Not sure if the lefty comment was aimed at me. First time I've been called that if so !

 

The 'leftie' term of abuse tends to be levelled at anyone who questions the current neo-liberal economic orthodoxy, I wouldn't worry about it. In my experience, many of the people objecting most strongly to privatisation are traditional, right-wing Tories. Still, why let reality get in the way of juvenile insults.

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It's no bother I'm not in the slightest insulted. I enjoy reading the debate on here from all points of view.

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Why does a service that is owned by the taxpayer and, exists primarily, to deliver their mail and packages, need to adapt? It needs to adapt in terms of moving from bicycles to vans like it has done in the past but it shouldn't be in competition with anyone.

And its not scare tactics, what is the law today can easily, easily, be removed if it gets in the way of a few rich people getting even richer.

1. Privatisation will free RM to make its own commercial decisions and be able to also compete for contracts in other countries if it wishes. That is a good thing for everyone.

2. You could have said the same things about competition etc about BT years ago, look at what they have achieved once free of government ownership.

3. Who are these rich people who will get even richer ? In a flotation this size the biggest investors will be institutional ones, mainly pension funds for the benefit of the likes of you and I ultimately.

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Which is, of course, the fear. The claim is that the Universal Service Obligation is safe as it would mean the issue being brought before Parliament before it could be changed. Well, that doesn't seem much of a guarantee.

IIRC correctly you work for Royal Mail so you're hardly likely to have an unbiased opinion !

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1. Privatisation will free RM to make its own commercial decisions and be able to also compete for contracts in other countries if it wishes. That is a good thing for everyone.

2. You could have said the same things about competition etc about BT years ago, look at what they have achieved once free of government ownership.

3. Who are these rich people who will get even richer ? In a flotation this size the biggest investors will be institutional ones, mainly pension funds for the benefit of the likes of you and I ultimately.

BT was different. Besides, I haven't said I am anti privatisation full stop., just not in certain institutions. 

 

Who are these rich people? Well, it will go like this; loads of people with a few grand to invest will buy some shares, maybe make a few quid then bail out. Gradually the shares will end up in a handful of peoples portfolios, ie very rich people. In a few years see if these people give a monkeys if someone in the middle of nowhere (or anyone) gets a postal service 6 days a week. 

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IIRC correctly you work for Royal Mail so you're hardly likely to have an unbiased opinion !

 

Or actually knows what he's talking about.

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The indecent hast with which the tories and their lib dem Quisling puppets are selling our Royal Mail is an utter disgrace.  This is something even that thatcher woman refused to consider, because of the damage such idiocy would cause to the nation’s infrastructure.  I see the class criminals have brought the privatisation forward to try and circumvent the industrial action by the postal workers.  The silence from the so called Labour party is quite strange, they should be promising to re-nationalise the Roy Mail after the next election.

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So to summarise:

 

Those in favour of privatisation aren't even going to pretend that the service will improve, become cheaper and more efficient (the usual arguments made for privatisation) but will, erm, possibly be of benefit to pension fund managers. :unsure: 

 

Since when has it been Royal Mails responsibility to enhance pension provision? I thought they were in the business of delivering letters and parcels for and to the people and businesses of the UK.

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So to summarise:

 

Those in favour of privatisation aren't even going to pretend that the service will improve, become cheaper and more efficient (the usual arguments made for privatisation) but will, erm, possibly be of benefit to pension fund managers. :unsure:

Nope, not even close.

If you want to see what benefits a genuinely world class privatised postal service can bring then I suggest you read up on Deutsche Post and how it has not only massively improved the service to its users but also the pay and conditions of the workforce since it was privatised in 2000.

Its not even as if it is being sold completely, the government will still be the largest single shareholder in the company as it will retain somewhere between 48% and 60% of the shares.

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The indecent hast with which the tories and their lib dem Quisling puppets are selling our Royal Mail is an utter disgrace.  This is something even that thatcher woman refused to consider, because of the damage such idiocy would cause to the nation’s infrastructure.  I see the class criminals have brought the privatisation forward to try and circumvent the industrial action by the postal workers.  The silence from the so called Labour party is quite strange, they should be promising to re-nationalise the Roy Mail after the next election.

Is this the same privatisation of the Royal Mail which would have gone ahead even if Labour had won the last election seeing as it was first proposed by Gordon Brown and was something he was keen to do ?

Is this the same privatisation of the Royal Mail which Chuka Umunn confirmed yesterday Labour would not reverse if they win the next election ?

I think we should be told.

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So, it looks like the vast majority of "national treasures" who were against the privatisation have decided they're alright with taking the money on offer. God bless them and their socialist morals.

 

Still, got my application in, now I really will own part of it.

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So, it looks like the vast majority of "national treasures" who were against the privatisation have decided they're alright with taking the money on offer. God bless them and their socialist morals.

Still, got my application in, now I really will own part of it.

Who?

The reason they have sold so well is because it looks as though it was massively undervalued. One bloke on Radio 4 reckoned by about £1bn. FFS, if you must insist on selling it you should try and make the best of the deal.

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The reason they have sold so well is because it looks as though it was massively undervalued. One bloke on Radio 4 reckoned by about £1bn. FFS, if you must insist on selling it you should try and make the best of the deal.

Yes, they should have looked at how much they got the last time to flogged it off to get a good indication.

 

The reason they sold so well is because we had Chuka Umana (sp?) on tv/radio telling everyone how cheap they were, I'm sure he thought the Great British public would say "We can't possibly have anything to do with this firesale, we wholeheartedly reject the notion of mail privatisation, this will make the government look idiotic when no-one tries to buy any". When all he did was fan the flames for an opportunistic population, who'd flog their grannies for a fiver to grab a bargain. Well played sir.

 

Got my share certificate the other day, made a few quid already too. Happy days.

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No privetisation has ever resulted in either a better service for the customers or lower prices - be warned, coming soon to a Post Office near you, the £1 First Class stamp for post that arrives at the same time as a second class stamp.

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Got my share certificate the other day, made a few quid already too. Happy days.

 

 

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Well, shares are now at 550p, which means I'm sat on a lovely little profit. All those years pouring money into it on the pretense I actually "owned" it blown out of the water.

 

I was worried for a minute, no post for 2 days, perhaps the wailing from certain sections of society that the service would collapse was coming true, yet tonight, post on the hall floor! Admittedly is was junk but it was good to know that the service wasn't dead in the water and my employees hadn't lost the ability to find the letter box.

 

God bless Maggie.

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Well, shares are now at 550p, which means I'm sat on a lovely little profit. All those years pouring money into it on the pretense I actually "owned" it blown out of the water.

I was worried for a minute, no post for 2 days, perhaps the wailing from certain sections of society that the service would collapse was coming true, yet tonight, post on the hall floor! Admittedly is was junk but it was good to know that the service wasn't dead in the water and my employees hadn't lost the ability to find the letter box.

God bless Maggie.

I thought Harry Enfield had stopped the 'loadsamoney' routine?

He's got piles. ....piles of money!

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Well, shares are now at 550p, which means I'm sat on a lovely little profit. All those years pouring money into it on the pretense I actually "owned" it blown out of the water.

I was worried for a minute, no post for 2 days, perhaps the wailing from certain sections of society that the service would collapse was coming true, yet tonight, post on the hall floor! Admittedly is was junk but it was good to know that the service wasn't dead in the water and my employees hadn't lost the ability to find the letter box.

God bless Maggie.

This is more dredging than fishing.

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